Soccer in Nashville

[grilled_cheese]

I can't find the video but NC5 had video of the Smiley character talking about this and he was literally shaking.  Dude is so triggered lol.

Also, congrats @PaulChinetti, when you Google image search Shane Smiley Nashville your avatar shows up in the third row.

[PaulChinetti]

2 minutes ago, grilled_cheese said:

I can't find the video but NC5 had video of the Smiley character talking about this and he was literally shaking.  Dude is so triggered lol.

Also, congrats @PaulChinetti, when you Google image search Shane Smiley Nashville your avatar shows up in the third row.

Oh my, that's quite the association. 

He got gaveled last night by the chairman. After the public comment section was done and the commissioners were asking questions. One of them asked about the 2011 referendum  and the Metro charter and the commission's legal counsel and a Metro lawyer were telling them that it was ok by the charter and by the referendum.

The lawyers were describing how it was legal, he kept raising his hand and the chairman would just shake his head and he would put his hand down. Then they said it was completely legal and he started talking/yelling at the legal council and the commissioners and the chairman gaveled him to be quiet. 

He also got 5 minutes of talk time instead of 2 like everyone else because he applied for it beforehand.

[Randi]

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

[BnaBreaker]

5 hours ago, Randi said:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

You're such a perfect anti-mls caricature that I am honestly not even sure whether to take you seriously or not.  In either case, it's wildly hilarious.  I actually hope that for your sake you're joking, because I don't know how anyone would be able to get any sleep or step outside their house with all that baseless paranoia jangling around in their head.  

Edited August 2, 2018 by BnaBreaker

[PaulChinetti]

@Randi You've cracked the case!

900 apartments + 200 hotel rooms + 10,000 drunk drivers = MAYHEM

I've obtained an exclusive traffic simulation of what traffic will be like leaving the Fairgrounds.

 

[dmillsphoto]

Not sure if trolling or not. I'm permitting it for the time being, all viewpoints deserve their day in discussion... however the first hint of trolling and I'll bring down the hammer.

[TheRaglander]

39 minutes ago, Randi said:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

 

[DDIG]

1 hour ago, Randi said:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

Welcome to life in a CITAY.  Sounds like you are better suited for living in the wilderness far from civilization where no one can hurt you.

[Tennessine]

1 hour ago, Randi said:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

Extremely stupid post. Welcome to the forum! Lol

[e-dub]

In case you guys missed it, re: Randi...

 

https://nashville.gov/document/ID/f95296dc-2435-4147-bcae-dc0cd65edd1d/August-1-2018-comments-received-July-3031

[DMilner]

We found Randi!

[MLBrumby]

Is Randi the man who was so belligerent at the meetings?  Noticed he does not give his address. I suspect he lives outside Davidson County and supplements his income at the fairgrounds. So who is the Smiley person? -

[PaulChinetti]

It's possible. A fair amount of the anti crowd gave their address as places outside of Davidson county but are connected to the Fairgrounds in other ways be it vendors/racing/christmas village etc, etc.

Shane Smiley represents some of the Fairgrounds vendors. I'm not sure what his official title is.

[nashvylle]

29 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

It's possible. A fair amount of the anti crowd gave their address as places outside of Davidson county but are connected to the Fairgrounds in other ways be it vendors/racing/christmas village etc, etc.

Shane Smiley represents some of the Fairgrounds vendors. I'm not sure what his official title is.

President of the Flea Market Vendors. 

[PaulChinetti]

How many different people are there that represent the vendors, I swear there was a woman there that said she was representing them also?

Maybe I just misheard. 

[SumnerCountian]

Just for the State Fair alone, does anyone have any hard attendance figures? I tried to find them via Google but just got two differing numbers on Wikipedia, I know not a completely reliable source. The figures were 200,000 and 105,000. Those seem small to me as the figures I found for the Wilson County fair were almost 500,000. If the numbers are close to accurate, even on the high end that means that for the 11 days of the fair it averages less than 20,000 people in attendance daily. Not very many for something that is supposed to be so vitally important to the framework of Nashville. 

Now I know there are other events there, I am just trying to find justification in the fairs attendance numbers to try and stop something that if it goes as planned would bring between 1.5 or up to 3 times the number of people to events there. (Stadium seating at 30,500 x 17 games).  Not the best scientific research methodology, but good enough for arguments sake. Thanks, and I will hang up and listen to your answers.

 

 

 

[PaulChinetti]

Oh a good point that the legal council brought up. The State Fair’s contract is done after this year (2018). Then the Fairgrounds only has to by law hold a “divisional fair” (not sure what that means). 

So technically this could be the last year for the State Fair at the Fairgrounds 

 

[nashvylle]

@PaulChinettido you know how many people go to state fair at one time in a day?

[PaulChinetti]

Yeah according to all the anti-people the Fairgrounds see 1.5million in attendance each year, through 700 events. 

Like you said @SumnerCountian 30,000x17 = 510k 

[nashvylle]

Do any events have more than 25k at one time? 

[markhollin]

There is a stat floating around that is completely bogus: the Fairgrounds attracts 1.5 million people per annum.  The State Fair's attendance has dwindled year by year down to under 200,000 (and that is probably quite generous) the last I heard. There are, at best, 10 races at the track per year, and, even if they all sold out (which it rarely does far ANY race anymore), that would be 100,000.  The VansWarp Tour attracts maybe 15,000 per summer. The Flea Market runs one weekend per month (3 days), probably averaging about 15,000 per day at best.  So that's 540,000.  Pro wrestling probably draws 500 (at best) at about 10 events per year, for a total of 5,000.  Let's just be really rosey and say all other misc.  events draw a total of 100,000.  Add that all up and you get--evangelistically speaking--960,000.  My guess is it is closer to 750,000.  

But here is how those stats will really grow:

With the new stadium attracting an average of 25,000 for 20 games (exhibition and regular season),  that would be 500,000.  Add in another 6 sporting events there at 15,000 (HS soccer playoffs, college soccer tournament, HS football playoffs, etc.), that would be 90,000. Add in another 6 big concerts in warmer months at 22,000 each, that's 132,000.  Then another 4 specialty entertainment events like Monster Trucks, rodeo, motor cross, etc. at 20,000 each for 80,000. That adds up to 802,000, which would more than make up for the loss of the fair (if that were to happen).

Additionally, you're going to have another 750 people (players, families, fans) per night showing up on all the brand new soccer fields  on the SW side of the park during warmer months when they're not being utilized for large event parking.  So, I'm guessing around 130,000 per year. 

And with the year-round guests to the restaurants, retail, and hotel in the newly developed area, that could be another 625 per non-event day, for a total of maybe 187,000 per year.

When you add all those things up we're talking about 1,120,000 per year from new sources.  Combine that with the 960,000 currently, and then you would be at 2,080,000.   A MUCH better return on investment of that fairground park than what we have in today's realm.

[Jamie Hall]

Many of "Randi's" complaints would equally apply to any local Walmart during Christmas shopping season.

[smeagolsfree]

Randi found us. Keep it nice,and back up your position with facts. I think you will have a hard time finding the facts as the average hotel daily rate is pretty high and these people will be spending big bucks to stay at those hotels.

Dont throw out a blanket statement on this board that is false because you will get corrected in a NY minute.

Also the apartments are affordable and not low income I do believe. Someone correct me if I am mistaken on that. The definition of Affordable housing is below.

Affordable housing is housing which is deemed affordable to those with a median household income as rated by the national government or a local government by a recognized housing affordability index. ... Housing choice is a response to an extremely complex set of economic, social, and psychological impulses.

No hotel company will invest in a hotel in this area unless there is a good payoff for them. The rates will probably be around 180 to 200  dollars a night, so no druggies or drug dealers will be hanging here. We will leave that for the flea bag hotels over in E. Nashville Dickerson Rd area or down on Murfreesboro Pike.

[volsfanwill]

2 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Oh a good point that the legal council brought up. The State Fair’s contract is done after this year (2018). Then the Fairgrounds only has to by law hold a “divisional fair” (not sure what that means). 

So technically this could be the last year for the State Fair at the Fairgrounds 

 

divisional, like the 3 grand divisions of TN.  like how knoxville has the TN Valley Fair that is like the state fair but for all of east TN

[satalac]

10 hours ago, Randi said:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has ever thought of the safety concerns?  900 apartments, with many low or marginal, income, there will be over 1,000  residents living in a small space will bring drug use and crime. Add 200 hotel rooms, at least 150  residents and you increase crime potential. Add a bar and you are asking for even more crime.. Add soccer stadium and you add 10,000's more to a small area. Add beer sales at stadium and you get more risk of drunk driving . Add 10,000 cars trying to get to stadium and you get traffic nightmare. Add 7,000 cars ( Only planned parking for 7,000 cars. ) trying to leave fairgrounds with several traffic lights,  trains and local traffic and it will take many hours just to leave fairgrounds. Then think about young guys watching the girls playing soccer in the new soccer fields. What do you think will happen after they have had a few beers ? You will get harassment, intimidation or worse. What will the average fairground visitor think about safety when they hear of countless police visits to fairgrounds?  Would you take your children to fairground activity seeing 100's of people wandering around ?  Maybe people should think of fairground as a place to take their family and not as a CASH COW FOR THE RICH   

You ever go to a Titans game? It's nothing but a demolition derby of drunk drivers, pedophiles and rapists out to get everyone's families. I mean, they have all the symptoms, just on a larger scale. 67k people crammed into an area? Check. Beer sales? Check. Women allowed out in public? *shudder* Check. You're completely on target in your assessment of what is going to happen. Just be glad that Ikea isn't coming into town, I've heard they aren't from America...

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by satalac