Soccer in Nashville

[fishsticks176]

As a former flea market vendor, I have to express my fondness of the market and my belief that it is a very important part of Nashville’s culture. It’s one of the largest flea markets in the nation and is at the core of the “vintage revival” of this city. That said,  MLS will not destroy the flea market. I have been looped in on anti-MLS petitions and protests since the possibility of MLS at the fairgrounds was announced last year, and this has always been their fear. They believe that regardless of what Metro says, that they will attempt to close the market once the stadium opens on the site. I’ve been very vocal toward those involved that this will not be the case, but there seems to be a pervasive distrust of government (both federal and local) within this demographic. It’s the same reason that many people voted down mass transit—even though the dedicated funding did not raise property taxes, they believed that the government would inevitably raise property taxes as a source of funding once all of the other pieces were in place. This mindset is a huge problem and I’m not sure what to do about it. If we are distrustful of any and every plan put before us regardless of however beneficial it is because we believe that everything is a lie intended to trick and rob us, how are we ever supposed to recognize and accept actual good plans, and how are we ever supposed to make any progress? 

[FromParkAveToTN]

Do people still go to flea markets these days? Why not just order from Amazon and save yourself some time? With online shopping, it seems logical to get rid of it altogether and utilize that land for higher tax revenue businesses and venues. 

[Nathan_in_DC]

4 hours ago, FromParkAveToTN said:

Do people still go to flea markets these days? Why not just order from Amazon and save yourself some time? With online shopping, it seems logical to get rid of it altogether and utilize that land for higher tax revenue businesses and venues. 

Guess we can just get rid of Barney's and Saks too, then.

[markhollin]

Three-fourths of the Metro Council signed and submitted a letter Tuesday seeking a "strong, inclusive, equitable" community benefits agreement for Nashville's proposed Major League Soccer stadium at the city's fairgrounds.

It's an indication that the agreement is likely to be a major factor on whether Nashville's MLS stadium is approved in the coming weeks.

Organizers of the union-aligned Stand Up Nashville, which for weeks has been negotiating the agreement with Nashville's MLS ownership group led by John Ingram, held a news conference ahead of Tuesday's council meeting to rally support for the benefits agreement.

The letter, signed by 30 council members, was sent to the Ingram-led ownership group. 

Supporters want the agreement to ensure things like affordable housing on a future mixed-use development next to the stadium and living wages for stadium workers — but a deal still isn't in place. 

Also: The council voted unanimously early Wednesday morning, without discussion, to procedurally advance three separate ordinances related to the stadium project. One would rezone 10 acres of fairgrounds property for a mixed-use development next to the stadium. Another would demolish existing buildings on the site. A third would approve a ground lease for the team's private development.  

Each will come up for a second of three votes on Aug. 21, marking the true test for the project. 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/08/08/nashville-council-majority-seeks-community-benefits-agreement-mls-stadium/923946002/

[PaulChinetti]

The Council voted on it at 12:45am according to the Nashville Soccer people who are freaking troopers and stayed. 

[DDIG]

38 minutes ago, markhollin said:

Three-fourths of the Metro Council signed and submitted a letter Tuesday seeking a "strong, inclusive, equitable" community benefits agreement for Nashville's proposed Major League Soccer stadium at the city's fairgrounds.

It's an indication that the agreement is likely to be a major factor on whether Nashville's MLS stadium is approved in the coming weeks.

Organizers of the union-aligned Stand Up Nashville, which for weeks has been negotiating the agreement with Nashville's MLS ownership group led by John Ingram, held a news conference ahead of Tuesday's council meeting to rally support for the benefits agreement.

The letter, signed by 30 council members, was sent to the Ingram-led ownership group. 

Supporters want the agreement to ensure things like affordable housing on a future mixed-use development next to the stadium and living wages for stadium workers — but a deal still isn't in place. 

Also: The council voted unanimously early Wednesday morning, without discussion, to procedurally advance three separate ordinances related to the stadium project. One would rezone 10 acres of fairgrounds property for a mixed-use development next to the stadium. Another would demolish existing buildings on the site. A third would approve a ground lease for the team's private development.  

Each will come up for a second of three votes on Aug. 21, marking the true test for the project. 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/08/08/nashville-council-majority-seeks-community-benefits-agreement-mls-stadium/923946002/

Certainly all that sounds nice if negotiations are in good faith. I do wonder about "living wages" for stadium workers and what exactly that means since most of those are very part-time seasonal jobs.

 

 

[PaulChinetti]

19 minutes ago, DDIG said:

Certainly all that sounds nice if negotiations are in good faith. I do wonder about "living wages" for stadium workers and what exactly that means since most of those are very part-time seasonal jobs.

I know there was a lot of talk about the CBA in the last public hearing, lots of talk about wage theft, just generally crooked contractors treating their workers like crap. Also a lot about hiring local workers. 

[DDIG]

23 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

I know there was a lot of talk about the CBA in the last public hearing, lots of talk about wage theft, just generally crooked contractors treating their workers like crap. Also a lot about hiring local workers. 

I see. The local workers concept is nice but it is hard in this market currently. Construction and hospitality are at war for workers.

[FromParkAveToTN]

4 hours ago, Nathan_in_the_UK said:

Guess we can just get rid of Barney's and Saks too, then.

Noooooooooo!!! Please don't. 

[Mr_Bond]

12 hours ago, FromParkAveToTN said:

Do people still go to flea markets these days? Why not just order from Amazon and save yourself some time? With online shopping, it seems logical to get rid of it altogether and utilize that land for higher tax revenue businesses and venues. 

Flea markets would no longer exist if people no longer attended them.  They are popular with enough people that they remain open.  They have the right to associate and trade as they see fit.  Liberty - it's a beautiful thing for all of us.

Personally, I've been to the flea market a couple of times and found some unique items created by local arts and crafts vendors.  These items are not available online anywhere.  Also, some of the vendors take orders to create custom products.  The two times I went, there were a LOT of people there!

[nashvylle]

5 hours ago, markhollin said:

 

Each will come up for a second of three votes on Aug. 21, marking the true test for the project. 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/08/08/nashville-council-majority-seeks-community-benefits-agreement-mls-stadium/923946002/

Why is the 2nd vote of three the true test for the project? I thought the third vote would be the one that mattered most. 

[DDIG]

21 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

Why is the 2nd vote of three the true test for the project? I thought the third vote would be the one that mattered most. 

Sort of traditional as to how Metro Council works. The second vote is always where the war is. Once you vote the second time that's your decision and most people abide by it the rest of the way. The third vote could be looked at as an emergency window if some major condition changed there's still time to change it, but if you pass second then third is virtually always a given. However, Glover is such a nut about this you know he won't stop his shenanigans till the bitter end.

[grilled_cheese]

47 minutes ago, Mr_Bond said:

Flea markets would no longer exist if people no longer attended them.  They are popular with enough people that they remain open.  They have the right to associate and trade as they see fit.  Liberty - it's a beautiful thing for all of us.

Personally, I've been to the flea market a couple of times and found some unique items created by local arts and crafts vendors.  These items are not available online anywhere.  Also, some of the vendors take orders to create custom products.  The two times I went, there were a LOT of people there! 

But isn't this flea market propped up by the government?

[TheRaglander]

14 hours ago, FromParkAveToTN said:

Do people still go to flea markets these days? Why not just order from Amazon and save yourself some time? With online shopping, it seems logical to get rid of it altogether and utilize that land for higher tax revenue businesses and venues. 

Yes.  They are the only places you can get these exclusive "Sense of Right Alliance" toys.  These must have been the Infinity War version because half of them fell apart before I got home.

[e-dub]

Can you really find those there, @TheRaglander?!

[TheRaglander]

5 minutes ago, e-dub said:

Can you really find those there, @TheRaglander?!

Yeah.  When my son was really young we went there and got some action figures pretty cheap.  They all broke.  All were just different enough from the actual toy.  Superman was "Power Man", etc. 
It's worth going to check out all the knock-offs.

[L'burgnative]

^^^When did Shrek become a super hero?  I laughed at that.

[DDIG]

1 hour ago, TheRaglander said:

Yes.  They are the only places you can get these exclusive "Sense of Right Alliance" toys.  These must have been the Infinity War version because half of them fell apart before I got home.

Sense of Right Alliance is so good. I laughed out loud. I now believe knock off product marketer has to be best job in America.

 

 

[e-dub]

Yeah, I've seen them online but never thought I'd be able to find some. I'm definitely going to snatch some up, lol.

[Pdt2f]

Lol I’m crying, “Sense of Right.” With Shreck thrown in for good luck haha

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, Pdt2f said:

Lol I’m crying, “Sense of Right.” With Shreck thrown in for good luck haha

If they throw in Donkey, I'm buying a set. 

[nashvillwill]

Well, I may get flack for this, but I rather enjoy the flea market. I get it, it’s kinda trashy. For people uncomfortable with the lower class, it may seem like a cesspool. But it’s also a place for artists and collectors who have diamonds in the rough. 

Dont get me wrong, I fully support the MLS bid, as I can see past the “doomsday” scenario that the fairgrounds supporters try to project. I also believe they can’t see the forest through the trees. I believe a rising tide lifts all ships (sorry for all the metaphors).

I’m not a fan or supporter of the racing that goes on at the track, but I’ve been to it, and it’s kinda cool in its own right. There is also a mini-economy of businesses around that area that is a result of it. I’m not a “racing guy”, but I needed an engine blocked honed in a classic car I was restoring. Guess where I had it done? A few blocks from the track. Because that’s where the guys with the best reputation, equipment and know-how are. 

Also, i’m into woodworking. There is a tool called a hand-plane. It’s a mostly obsolete tool in the era of IKEA, but an essential for classic woodwork. You can still order them new, from boutique makers, but they are expensive and all copy the timeless designs of tools that are 100 years old. Guess where you can find stockpiles of old handplanes waiting for a good restoration? The flea market. 

My wife likes to find vintage furniture and house goods there.

Yeah. There is a lot of garbage there. But there is also a connection to our past and a bridge to our future. I’m romanticizing it a little, but I feel like most on this board act like the flea market is only rebel flags and “as seen on tv”. Yeah, it’s there, but get real. There is a ton of creativity in that space. We are in the south. You may have to be able to turn the other cheek in some situations.

I support the proposal. I do not understand irrational fear, “fake news” and flat out lying. But I can also respect that there is some good use coming out of the flea market.

Edited August 9, 2018 by nashvillwill

[PaulChinetti]

5 hours ago, nashvillwill said:

I support the proposal. I do not understand irrational fear, “fake news” and flat out lying. But I can also respect that there is some good use coming out of the flea market.

Exactly, I don't want anything that's there to go away, it all has it's place and it's all great in it's own right. 

The fear mongering is the worst part. 

When I talked to Smiley the other day I asked him why that's the way they were going, complaining about Megan Barry and the deal like it was some backroom shadiness. He didn't answer me but it's the oldest trick in the book, it's easy to be against something and rally people with fear. 

[DMilner]

It looks like Smiley has Nancy Amons stirring up more drama. This also isn’t the first time that Shane believes he knows more then the lawyers and council. 

Edited August 9, 2018 by DMilner

[PaulChinetti]

"under wraps for the past 10 months"

The biggest eye roll you've ever seen.

They really love bringing up that Megan Barry was involved in this. I'm surprised they haven't blamed it on Hillary and her emails yet.