Nashville Bits and Pieces

[Argo]

Wow!

Look at that chart. People are moving to the outlying counties by a 20 to 1 clip. The real estate agents all say the same as to why.

Go head state of 10 A C!

Woo!

[Baronakim]

40 minutes ago, Argo said:

Wow!

Look at that chart. People are moving to the outlying counties by a 20 to 1 clip. The real estate agents all say the same as to why.

Go head state of 10 A C!

Woo!

I fail to see your mathematics.  20 to 1 where?

[nashville born]

That 20-1 comment reminds me of somebody...

[markhollin]

It has been one year since Nashville kicked off its heat mapping campaign, an effort to measure the temperature and humidity levels throughout Davidson County.

In April, the city launched an interactive StoryMap detailing extreme heat events and the risk they pose to Nashvillians. Now, the city is testing products to combat the issue.

https://www.nashville.gov/departments/mayor/sustainability-resilience-environment/heat-impacts?utm_term=nashtoday&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=nashtoday&utm_content=nashtoday

[Nash_12South]

If you haven't already - go vote today in our local elections.

[chc3]

Voted absentee and confirmed that they received it!

[Bos2Nash]

I know there is a coffee house thread on Wooden Skyscrapers, but I felt this tidbit of information deserved a more front page comment. The last item of this past council meeting was BL2023-1994. The bill called for adopting the 2021 Building Codes in relation to the use of Mass Timber within buildings. Previously, heavy timber has been very heavily regulated and after extensive testing on projects all over the country and world, the IBC 2021 recognized that Mass Timber is inherently strong and fire resistant. I applaud CM Sean Parker for bring this bill forward and even amended the packet to have signage changes that would alert the Fire Department to type of building they are in. This adoption brings more flexibility to the building industry as another material can be used for dense projects. It also brings a very sustainable product more freely into our market. An interesting tidbit that I have heard from fabricators and other folks very knowledge about the product is that while Mass Timber is 10% to 15% more expensive in the up front costs, the building can be occupied up to 25% quicker than traditional materials. This means while you are spending more on the material, your revenue begins flowing that much sooner. 

Here is a clip that shows the difference between the 2018 IBC (Metro Nashville's current code) and the 2021 code. Type IV-HT at the right of the picture is the 2018 version along with the "-HT" classification of Type IV under 2021. Type IV-A, -B, -C are all new classifications under the 2021 code. IV-A will require all the timber be covered (fire purposes). IV-B I believe will allow for fully exposed (just recently changed to this) for some uses, but otherwise is about 30% exposed timber. IV-C and -HT both allow for fully exposed timber. 

The overall heights will be relative to the use of the building. The total height in feet though can be up to 270'-0" tall, varying from 10 to 20 stories.

One of the reasons I bring this otherwise mundane code change up is this is code change was imperative to meet the design intent of 800 Main over in East. The design of the project is aiming for Mass Timber, but a 10-story building under the old code would've been much harder to approve (it could've possibly gotten a code exemption, but would've been unlikely) without a code change.

 

[markhollin]

Urban Planet Nashville’s Twitter/“X” Account continues to grow.  So far in 2023 we have had 532,360 views of 105 posts.  The largest reactions have been:

1) 123,100 on Feb. 4th, Possible Amtrak return to Nashville

2) 99,100 on May 25, Domed Stadium renderings

3) 34,700 on Jan. 29t for Broadway Viaduct renderings

4) 33,900 on Jan. 3 for Belle Meade Center renderings

5) 19,500 on April 4 for 800 Main St. renderings

Most posts are averaging around 1,500 views

We now have 1,764 followers
 

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[markhollin]

Four more Metro Nashville Public School projects:

Lakeview Elementary

• Location: 455 Rural Hill Road
• Size: 95,000 square feet
• Budget: $41,720,000
• Projected finish date: August 2025
• Details: The old school will be torn down for a new one in a multi-phase project, which will have room for more than 800 students, grades Pre-K through fifth grade.

  Paragon Mills Elementary

• Location: 260 Paragon Mills Road
• Size: 111,760 square feet
• Budget: $36,350,000
• Projected finish date: August 2025
• Details: The school will receive a full renovation and an expansion to accommodate more students, along with technology upgrades.
  
  Percy Priest Elementary
   
• Location: 1700 Otter Creek Road
• Size: 99,400 square feet
• Budget: $42,280,000
• Projected finish date: August 2025
• Details: The elementary school will be torn down to build a new one, with room for 800 students grades Pre-K through fifth grade.
  
  Cane Ridge Middle School
   
• Location: 5557 Mount View Road
• Size: TBD
• Budget: $4.28 million for design
• Projected finish date: TBD
• Details: A new middle school will serve up to 600 students grades 6-8 and from Eagle View Elementary School and Cane Ridge Elementary school. The project is aimed at easing overcrowding at Antioch Middle School.
  
  More at The Tennessean here:
  
  https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2023/08/03/metro-nashville-public-schools-construction-projects-new-schools-2023/70509222007/?utm_term=nashtoday&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=nashtoday&utm_content=nashtoday

[KJHburg]

Nashville has the largest average lot size of any of the top 50 cities according to StorageCafe.  The south has 7 of the top 10 most spacious living according to this study. 

https://www.storagecafe.com/blog/best-cities-for-lot-and-home-sizes/   Your average lot size is .27 acres.  Average home size is 1830 sq ft.  The average size of the average Nashville home is smaller than other southern cities but the lot size is the biggest in the south and the top 50 cities in the country.  But notice the largest Texas cities have smaller lot sizes than most southeastern cities.  

Another southern hotspot, Nashville, TN, ranks fifth overall for home space. Boasting the largest median lot size among the country’s 50 biggest cities – roughly 11,813 square feet – Music City is great not only for live entertainment but for backyard fun as well.

 

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

Nashville has the largest average lot size of any of the top 50 cities according to StorageCafe.  The south has 7 of the top 10 most spacious living according to this study. 

https://www.storagecafe.com/blog/best-cities-for-lot-and-home-sizes/   Your average lot size is .27 acres.  Average home size is 1830 sq ft.  The average size of the average Nashville home is smaller than other southern cities but the lot size is the biggest in the south and the top 50 cities in the country.  But notice the largest Texas cities have smaller lot sizes than most southeastern cities.  

Another southern hotspot, Nashville, TN, ranks fifth overall for home space. Boasting the largest median lot size among the country’s 50 biggest cities – roughly 11,813 square feet – Music City is great not only for live entertainment but for backyard fun as well.

 

That checks out since Nashville city limits encompasses a lot of areas that were basically exurban almost semi-rural communities pre city-county consolidation.  I'm sure those areas heavily skew the stats on this one.

Edited August 10, 2023 by BnaBreaker

[colemangaines]

10 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Nashville has the largest average lot size of any of the top 50 cities according to StorageCafe.  The south has 7 of the top 10 most spacious living according to this study. 

https://www.storagecafe.com/blog/best-cities-for-lot-and-home-sizes/   Your average lot size is .27 acres.  Average home size is 1830 sq ft.  The average size of the average Nashville home is smaller than other southern cities but the lot size is the biggest in the south and the top 50 cities in the country.  But notice the largest Texas cities have smaller lot sizes than most southeastern cities.  

Another southern hotspot, Nashville, TN, ranks fifth overall for home space. Boasting the largest median lot size among the country’s 50 biggest cities – roughly 11,813 square feet – Music City is great not only for live entertainment but for backyard fun as well.

I'm willing to bet our HPR process has skewed the data a decent amount. I don't know their data methodology but I'm guessing each HPR lot was counted as 1 lot, even though many of them have 2 detached SFHs on them, since the lot itself isn't split when the HPR is established.

[markhollin]

Nashville's 400 footer growth over the decades:

1950's: 1
1960's: 0
1970's: 1
1980's: 2
1990's : 1
2000's: 0
2010's: 4
2020's: 25*

* either built, u.c., or proposed...and this does NOT include Circle South, Ritz, Amazon 3, or Gulch Central Office Tower as they are all either on indefinite hold, or dead.  Nor does it include anything that might be coming in the Station East or 1001 Broadway developments that have not been specified yet. 

[dragonfly]

16 hours ago, markhollin said:

Nashville's 400 footer growth over the decades:

1950's: 1
1960's: 0
 

1950's: 1
1960's: 1   <-- was there twice in the '60's, yours truly. National Life topped out summer '68, finished '69

Edited August 13, 2023 by dragonfly

[markhollin]

9 hours ago, dragonfly said:

1950's: 1
1960's: 1   <-- was there twice in the '60's, yours truly. National Life topped out summer '68, finished '69

Hmmmm....every source I find says that National Life (now the Snodgrass Tower) opened in 1970.  So that's the one that I list for the 70s.  

https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/william-r-snodgrass-tennessee-tower/11560

[nashville born]

On 8/13/2023 at 3:00 AM, markhollin said:

Nashville's 400 footer growth over the decades:

2010's: 5

 

Love this and I'm mapping in my mind.  Can only come up with four for the 2010's (505, Pinnacle, Bridgestone, and The Place).  What am I missing?

[subkyle]

4 hours ago, markhollin said:

Hmmmm....every source I find says that National Life (now the Snodgrass Tower) opened in 1970.  So that's the one that I list for the 70s.  

https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/william-r-snodgrass-tennessee-tower/11560

The Snodgrass building is not the L&C building. Although I’m no help on when these babies were built. Here is a pic of the snodgrass tower

 

 

 

 

[markhollin]

3 hours ago, nashville born said:

Love this and I'm mapping in my mind.  Can only come up with four for the 2010's (505, Pinnacle, Bridgestone, and The Place).  What am I missing?

I mistyped.  The correct number for the 2010s is 4.  I will correct it in my post.

 

3 hours ago, subkyle said:

The Snodgrass building is not the L&C building. Although I’m no help on when these babies were built. Here is a pic of the snodgrass tower

The Snodgrass Tower was originally called the National Life Insurance Tower...not to be confused with the L&C (Life & Casualty) Tower.

[subkyle]

Holy cow yes absolutely. I was reading National life but my brain was thinking the L&C. I think I’m getting to the age where I need a good cup of coffee before I start communicating with the rest of the world lol.

[Argo]

Oh contrare monfrare.

Pinnacle was completed in the zeroes. '09 to be exact.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Argo

[MontanaGuy]

31 minutes ago, Argo said:

Oh contrare monfrare.

Pinnacle was completed in the zeroes. '09 to be exact.

That's true but it opened in February of 2010 which is what I think he was referring to.  

[Luvemtall]

No need to get so technically picky. Thanks Mark for the time and energy to come up with that list, much appreciated.

[dragonfly]

 

18 hours ago, markhollin said:

Hmmmm....every source I find says that National Life (now the Snodgrass Tower) opened in 1970.  So that's the one that I list for the 70s.  

https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/william-r-snodgrass-tennessee-tower/11560

Well I don't know how to prove it except to say that 1968 being a crucial year for me and a lot of my generation because of cultural shifting to make the head swim. You know, Jumpin Jack Flash style. My dad took a job in Park Ridge IL in the spring of '68. I graduated MBA in '68. Our family moved to IL that summer with me knowing that finally Nashville had a new skyscraper designed by a world renowned Chicago firm (not knowing that then). I was up there during the riots at the Democratic convention and learning who Richard Daley was and how his police reacted. Come fall I started freshman year to UT Chattanooga and that fall made a trip to Nashville and one of my friends told me about the new skyscraper downtown and I thought he was forgetting that I saw it 3 or 4 months prior.  I transferred to VU electrical engineering fall of '69 and a guy on my floor of McGill Hall from Birmingham told me he had new respect for Nashville having a building surpassing anything in Birmingham. He said this at night, fall 1969 as we were standing in view of the building all lit up and obviously occupied. I'm not going to confuse these years, they were key years coming of age obviously. Remember me mentioning on here a couple of years ago the two almost indentical Shell buildings in Houston and N.O. which were the next level vesions of the building at 49 and 50 stories. So since a building right here where I am, having this Nashville pedigree is one of those kinda minor themes you come across moving through life. Another one is that American General who bought National Life, was in a 50 story tower in the Houston Montrose section where I lived, visible from the bedroom, about 1 mile away. Am Gen is now AIG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Shell_Plaza   

Edited August 15, 2023 by dragonfly

[Auntie Yock]

12 hours ago, markhollin said:

The Snodgrass Tower was originally called the National Life Insurance Tower...not to be confused with the L&C (Life & Casualty) Tower.

National Life and Accident Insurance Tower, until it was bought out by American General in 1982. The other poster was correct in that it was topped out and finished in 1969, although its official "opening" might've been early in 1970.

This photo from September 1968 shows it was fairly far along by then:

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[smeagolsfree]

9 hours ago, dragonfly said:

 

Well I don't know how to prove it except to say that 1968 being a crucial year for me and a lot of my generation because of cultural shifting to make the head swim. You know, Jumpin Jack Flash style. My dad took a job in Park Ridge IL in the spring of '68. I graduated MBA in '68. Our family moved to IL that summer with me knowing that finally Nashville had a new skyscraper designed by a world renowned Chicago firm (not knowing that then). I was up there during the riots at the Democratic convention and learning who Richard Daley was and how his police reacted. Come fall I started freshman year to UT Chattanooga and that fall made a trip to Nashville and one of my friends told me about the new skyscraper downtown and I thought he was forgetting that I saw it 3 or 4 months prior.  I transferred to VU electrical engineering fall of '69 and a guy on my floor of McGill Hall from Birmingham told me he had new respect for Nashville having a building surpassing anything in Birmingham. He said this at night, fall 1969 as we were standing in view of the building all lit up and obviously occupied. I'm not going to confuse these years, they were key years coming of age obviously. Remember me mentioning on here a couple of years ago the two almost indentical Shell buildings in Houston and N.O. which were the next level vesions of the building at 49 and 50 stories. So since a building right here where I am, having this Nashville pedigree is one of those kinda minor themes you come across moving through life. Another one is that American General who bought National Life, was in a 50 story tower in the Houston Montrose section where I lived, visible from the bedroom, about 1 mile away. Am Gen is now AIG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Shell_Plaza   

I copied the old Emporis info, and it says 1970 as well.