Nashville Bits and Pieces

[Pdt2f]

1 hour ago, Jamie Hall said:

It was overshadowed by the Deepwater Horizon explosion in the Gulf that happened on April 20. They spent several days trying to cap the well and stop the spill from totally destroying the Gulf beaches, so it became must-see TV for a while. Any other year, the Nashville flood would've been top news for several days.

I went to gulf shores a week or so after that spill and the beaches were fine and beautiful. Nobody was there (all scared off) so my brother and I basically had the beaches to ourselves. The city has such an interest in the beaches being clean and open that they were dragging the beaches and doing insane cleanup every morning as the tide receded, so we didn’t see a drop of oil. 

[Mr_Bond]

On 5/1/2018 at 7:53 AM, smeagolsfree said:

I remember we were at the forum meet that day at Casablanca, aka Bond, aka Starbucks in the Gulch. Pouring down.

Sorry I missed the meeting.  That Saturday night, my wife and daughter were at Schermerhorn for a piano concerto.  They stayed long enough to see the Steinway concert grand lowered beneath the stage.  Later that night, the grand piano was floating upside down in the basement.  A few years ago we talked so someone at the Steinway store who told us about the piano's restoration.

[LA_TN]

7 minutes ago, Mr_Bond said:

Sorry I missed the meeting.  That Saturday night, my wife and daughter were at Schermerhorn for a piano concerto.  They stayed long enough to see the Steinway concert grand lowered beneath the stage.  Later that night, the grand piano was floating upside down in the basement.  A few years ago we talked so someone at the Steinway store who told us about the piano's restoration.

WOW! I was there that night also

[Binbin98]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2018-05-04/hot-trading-on-wall-street-and-moving-to-nashville-podcast

This is an interesting podcast regarding the move of alliancebernstein's headquarters to nashville from New york

In the podcast one of the hosts details how the move could start a 'canary in a coal mine' effect both within Nashville and the rest of the sunbelt cities with financial relocations. I am hoping that this move along with the opening of a nonstop flight to London and basically the rest of Europe, along with our already low taxes will help entice more large scale relocations of businesses to move here. Nashville currently to me feels like Austin did around 2012-2014 in that now the growth is starting to yield results and create a image that Nashville is a reputable place to live, work and play. All that is left in my wishlist in terms of corporate relocations would be another large scale healthcare company such as Aetna or something else, and a Google office to open in Nashville, but in all honesty I have no idea what's next in terms of Nashville's growth and development which is the exciting part.

[Guest]

The city spends $52,000,000 ($7,000,000 illegally) to build a downtown amphitheater and now they want to ban rock (undefined) concerts on weekdays!?@ ha

Noise is part of living downtown/close-in. If you want tranquility Spring Hill beckons. 

I am inundated with noise...and have gotten used to it as part of the urban background -  police and fire sirens, city buses, loud music, construction, blasting, horns, drunk singing, and random homeless craziness....

my advice is to embrace the horror....ha
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/05/07/east-nashville-residents-complain-over-noisy-beck-concert-ascend-amphitheater/586252002/

[whatwhat]

I live about a 1.5 miles from the amphitheater and from inside my house with the TV on I could hear it clearly enough to tell which songs he was playing. I actually turned my TV up to drown it out.  It seemed to be louder than most concerts coming from Ascend but I like Beck so I didn't mind this time. 

[Nash_12South]

1 hour ago, nashville_bound said:

The city spends $52,000,000 ($7,000,000 illegally) to build a downtown amphitheater and now they want to ban rock (undefined) concerts on weekdays!?@ ha

Noise is part of living downtown/close-in. If you want tranquility Spring Hill beckons. 

I am inundated with noise...and have gotten used to it as part of the urban background -  police and fire sirens, city buses, loud music, construction, blasting, horns, drunk singing, and random homeless craziness....

my advice is to embrace the horror....ha
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/05/07/east-nashville-residents-complain-over-noisy-beck-concert-ascend-amphitheater/586252002/

There have to be some rules for noise and mechanisms for enforcing them that sting. Shutting it down, heavy fines.  You don’t like the rules, have your concert indoors. 

[Guest]

^ Maybe they should not have built the music venue in downtown, but that boat has sailed. 

I guess I can sue to stop the Predators concerts on Broadway because the music disturbs me. Anyway, lots of complaints across the land...

http://kdvr.com/2014/03/04/opinions-on-new-red-rocks-noise-restrictions-to-be-aired-in-morrison/

https://www.ajc.com/entertainment/music/alpharetta-amphitheater-drawing-noise-complaints/oFl4LGabejDeFa9168VgsO/

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lawsuits-Threatened-Over-Shoreline-Noise-2957607.php

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/08/jay_z_and_justin_timberlake_br.html

 

[Nash_12South]

There are rules that they agreed to when they opened.  I don’t advocate banning all concerts, but don’t plan ones you know don’t work. 

Edited May 8, 2018 by Nash_12South

[PaulChinetti]

5 hours ago, nashville_bound said:

The city spends $52,000,000 ($7,000,000 illegally) to build a downtown amphitheater

“Metro Council did approve redirecting the flood money to the amphitheater project during a council meeting on July 16, 2013; though they may not have been aware of it, since the project was listed as “civic open space with improvements” in the document the council approved, “Action Plan for Disaster Recovery, Amendment Three, and Utilizing Supplemental CDBG Disaster Recovery Funding.”

Just because the council didn’t read/understand what they were voting on doesn’t make it illegal. Sounds like a bunch of people trying to cover their asses. 

 

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38117185/money-for-flood-recovery-used-for-design-of-public-facility

[BnaBreaker]

Obviously there should be a line that cannot be crossed, but I just find these complaints to be stupid.  Sorry.  If these concerts were taking place on every other night, and they were going until 1 or 2 in the morning, then yeah, I'd get it.  But let's get real here.  This year there are only thirteen concerts scheduled to take place on weeknights.  The concerts only take place from Mid-May to Mid-September.  Plus, there is a decibel limit and an 11PM curfew.  So essentially, these folks are complaining about having to hear world class music for a couple hours in the early evening on 4% of the days in the  year.  Sorry, but I'm not sympathetic.   Do these same East-Nashvillians also file complaints if they're awakened earlier than they'd like on a Sunday morning by a neighbor's lawnmower?  Like @nashville_bound said, the noise of other people living their lives is simply something that comes along with living in an urban neighborhood.  Either learn to live with it, or start looking for farm houses in a far flung bedroom community.  But don't try to shut the city down because your bedtime is 9PM.  

Edited May 8, 2018 by BnaBreaker

[whatwhat]

I can assure you it was much louder and more disruptive than a next door neighbor mowing their lawn.  I live on a busy street that has the constant hum of pedestrians, traffic and emergency response vehicles. It's one thing to have a few emergency vehicles go by a few times an hour with sirens blaring or fireworks that go for 20 minutes, it's quite another to have the sustained level of noise pollution we were getting last night. 

As far as hearing world class music, it's mostly the just the low end that cuts through. Didn't bother me that much but I can see how people that have kids or have to be up early for work would have a problem with it. 

It's usually not that bad so maybe Beck was just rocking extra hard.

 

Edited May 8, 2018 by whatwhat
*change extra had to extra hard

[fishsticks176]

It was the weather. The low clouds, the fog, and the humidity. People in Donelson, Berry Hill, and Antioch could hear it clear as day. Friends of mine in East Nashville told me that their walls were rattling. I view the disturbance as unworthy of any sort of action, given the noise curfew and the infrequency of these weeknight concerts, but I also don't want to make those who complained out to be ridiculous crybabies. As of the publication of the Tennessean article, the East Nashville petition to ban rock concerts at Ascend had a whole nine signatures, so my conclusion is that the media is blowing all of this out of proportion. 

[Ingram]

What's interesting is I've seen numerous complaints about "sprawl" and lack of "density" because people choose to live in Brentwood and Cool Springs instead of the "urban core". Yet when people start living there they are to be ridiculed because they and their children don't want noise blaring at all hours of the night. This is erratic.

Edited May 8, 2018 by Ingram

[grilled_cheese]

1 hour ago, Ingram said:

don't want noise blaring at all hours of the night

Why are you making s hit up?

[Nash_12South]

What may be a problem for Live Nation is that, I would guess, 8 out of 10 concerts likely break the noise rules (to a degree)  with minimal complaints. For the next while there will be a lot more attention paid and, I would guess, the rules enforced. Live Nation could avoid this with a little more due diligence. 

There may be only nine signatures to ban rock concerts, but if you brought the petition to doors in East Nashville, today, many would sign it. It may be overblown, but overblown can snowball. 

[AronG]

I live near 18th and Fatherland and we could hear well enough to make out songs. Definitely count me in the camp that enjoys hearing musing wafting down the streets though. It's music city right?

Our neighbors knocked on our door because they were going to be on the local news last night. They wanted to know if we would like to complain about our children being kept awake all night or anything. (No, somehow my 3 and 5 year old slept quite soundly, which they don't always do when it thunders, when the Titans score during a night game, or when CMT fest fireworks go off.) I guess people have a legitimate thing to complain about on this one, but it's going to be a sad day if they succeed in hamstringing Ascend. It's an awesome amenity that's unique to Nashville.

A depressing fact of our current state of affairs is that people seem to be more motivated and empowered to weigh in on civic issues when they're cranky than when they're supportive. This phenomenon is obviously playing out nationally as well. Seems like it's making it too easy to tear things down and adding significant friction to the imperfect process of actually building things. I saw the pitchfork mob on facebook was soliciting emails to [email protected], so I took a minute to drop them a note (along with @bwithers1) to say that Ascend is awesome, the weather was unusual, and please don't overreact.

[grilled_cheese]

There are rules in place already as this topic has been discussed multiple times since the amphitheater opened.  102db at the soundboard and no more than 98db at the property line.  No concerts past 11pm, no soundchecks earlier than 3pm and no concerts starting before 9am (I guess someone had a concern about that last scenario?).

A year or two ago I heard loud music one night around 9 or 10 pm.  Finally figured out where it was coming from, across the river from Opry Hotel, some conference or something had hired a band and I was in the perfect spot to catch the sound.  You know what I did?  Cracked a beer and sat on the porch.  My life did not end that night, oddly enough.

[BnaBreaker]

2 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

Why are you making s hit up?

Obviously your question was rhetorical, but it's because Ingram knows he doesn't have much of a case without building straw men.

[tragenvol]

12 hours ago, whatwhat said:

It's usually not that bad so maybe Beck was just rocking extra hard.

 

With more than two turntables and a microphone?

[NashvilleObserver]

 

2 hours ago, AronG said:

A depressing fact of our current state of affairs is that people seem to be more motivated and empowered to weigh in on civic issues when they're cranky than when they're supportive. 

I think you just summed up the "New Nashville" vs. "Old Nashville" crowds. This is frustratingly true. 

12 hours ago, whatwhat said:

It's usually not that bad so maybe Beck was just rocking extra hard.

I agree. I have never heard the Ascend from where I live on Union St. but that night I opened the windows and looked out to investigate. 

I can heard the announcer every time the Sounds play. But do I think to complain? No.

2 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

You know what I did?  Cracked a beer and sat on the porch.  My life did not end that night, oddly enough.

Live On The Green is held right outside my window. We have friends over to watch the show from our living room. I don't understand the mentality of people who call to complain about downtown events. Get over yourselves.  

[Nash_12South]

It's one thing to complain when you live right down town and the event is 100 yards away. Many in East Nashville bought their homes before Ascend was built. There is only so much homework you can do when buying or renting on everything that may possibly come up in the future.

I had no idea that the speedway could be heard in 12 South when we bought our house. There was no checklist on beware these annoyances that you don't get to complain about.  I'm not complaining about it now, but some nights you can hear it with doors closed and the TV up loud. Sometimes, I guess when the weather is better, you don't hear it, inside, at all.

I do want to ask why is anyone who complains automatically wrong and to be dismissed or ridiculed. Empathy isn't a sin and might come in handy when you need support for your next cause. Transportation failed, in part, due to folks refusing to see things from other points of view.

Edited May 8, 2018 by Nash_12South

[markhollin]

Pat Emery and Fred Hall, who formed the Hall Emery Company last year to partnered last year to develop more projects (mostly office) did an interview for NBJ today.  I liked this quote from Hall:

"If people think Nashville has peaked, they're wrong. I'm investing in Nashville anytime a property comes up."

They hinted that they are particularly bullish on Midtown, Brentwood, and Cool Springs.  Apparently they have another big one in the Cool Springs area up their sleeve that will be announced in the near future.

More behind the NBJ paywall here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2018/05/08/on-tap-for-pat-emerys-new-firm-150m-fund-another.html?ana=twt

[volsfanwill]

I really think that atmospheric conditions contributed to the concert issue. otherwise other concerts would have caused the same issue in the past. 

[Ingram]

7 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

I do want to ask why is anyone who complains automatically wrong and to be dismissed or ridiculed. Empathy isn't a sin and might come in handy when you need support for your next cause. Transportation failed, in part, due to folks refusing to see things from other points of view.

 

Interesting no one answered your question.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Ingram