Nashville Bits and Pieces

[e-dub]

Come back to the CBD, Tony: come back home, player.

[TNinVB]

You guys are bad! My heart skipped a few beats when I saw the pictures of Signature Tower lol. I’d be happy with a shorter version. Do you guys remember the original plan before it was 1,050 ft.? Not talking about the first rendition where it had an Art Deco appearance. I’ll try and find pics. I believe the first design of it’s current rendition was around 2005. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by TNinVB

[TNinVB]

Here’s the original version proposed without the crown. You can notice it’s a completely different design from what most come to think of Signature Tower.  Of the current version went through three or four design changes from height increase to changes in the crown.  I’d be happy with the original version proposed with a crown in 2005, but with a shorter parking garage. 

Here is the first design proposed with a crown. I believe it was only 50 stories. It’s a simpler design compared to the version with 70 floors and more intricate crown. 

[TNinVB]

Here is the design that most are familiar with. The height increased to around 1,050 ft. It would have made it the tallest building in the U.S. (at the time) outside of NYC or Chicago. There was a nice video to go along with this design as well.  The crown went through some minor changes before the final design that gave it a more open feel.

And then, the final design before it was scrapped.  I can’t remember if there was a height decrease but you can see a significant change in the crown. I believe they were having difficulties figuring out how to construct the previous version. Maybe it was a cost cutting measure as well. It’s been so long that I cannot remember exactly.  I’d love to see some form of Signature Tower (with crown) come to fruition. Not holding my breath though. I’m sure the cost would be astronomical now compared to 10 years ago, to construct a building like this in its original form. 

Poor Siggy falling over to the crash of 2008-09.

Edited April 4, 2018 by TNinVB

[smeagolsfree]

19 hours ago, Skyscrapergeek said:

Ron, some may find your comments puzzling. 

I seek to puzzle! I pretty much know where but the when is a question. My guess is a little sooner than later. We all have an idea as to how tall. Approx. 60 stories. There are a few on the board that know the where too.

[donNdonelson2]

Here, perhaps?

[chris holman]

Still love Signature Tower design and believe this is Tony's dream Tower

Edited April 5, 2018 by chris holman

[MidTenn1]

Now for something completely different.....

My daughter's company sent her to Nashville a week or so ago to attend a convention here. As preparation for the event, she scouted hotel rooms for the week and her company was shocked at the prices. So, my daughter convinced them to allow her to get an AirBNB in the Cleveland Park area for the week and her husband and daughter could stay with her. It was a lot cheaper.

We went to babysit a couple of days and were amazed at how nice the place was. It was a recently built, tall skinny in a small complex and is used exclusively for that purpose. It can sleep a dozen and has a nice kitchen/living area on the third floor. The Cleveland Park area is a lot different from what I remember many years ago. It is really changing fast.

The guest book was interesting to read as the visitors came from all over the US and world. They were there  for bachelorette  parties, weddings and just to see Nashville. Their favorite places were the Gulch, Broadway, Biscuit Love and a few other notable restaurants. It is fascinating to see how other people view Nashville as a tourists and they apparently are awed by all that it has to offer.

[PaulChinetti]

22 minutes ago, PHofKS said:

We went to babysit a couple of days and were amazed at how nice the place was. It was a recently built, tall skinny in a small complex and is used exclusively for that purpose. It can sleep a dozen and has a nice kitchen/living area on the third floor. The Cleveland Park area is a lot different from what I remember many years ago. It is really changing fast.

This is why Airbnb is so useful, if it wasn't a thing I don't think Nashville would be as popular, as sleeping a dozen for a decent rate is just not something hotels can do. 

[Flatrock]

3 hours ago, PHofKS said:

Now for something completely different.....

Nice Monty Python reference!

[PaulChinetti]

https://nashville.eater.com/2018/4/5/17203164/tartufo-closed-midtown-nashville

Is there a term for buildings that just constantly change tenants/restaurants like that? They call it a revolving door restaurant. I was trying to search so I could read more about why it happens, see if there had been any studies or anything. Any ideas?

[grilled_cheese]

People from rural counties shouldn't have a vote in deciding state or city matters.

http://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-lawmakers-cite-wikipedia-and-the-onion-while-debating-bill

[Nathan_in_DC]

6 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

People from rural counties shouldn't have a vote in deciding state or city matters.

http://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-lawmakers-cite-wikipedia-and-the-onion-while-debating-bill

Are you just trolling now? Citizens of the state who live in non-urban areas shouldn't have a say in the way the state is run?

Yes, a particular state legislator said something stupid by referencing The Onion (though I imagine plenty of people cite Wikipedia in public and private debates, whether or not they admit it is another matter). That being said I'm not entirely sure he was unaware that The Onion is satire, his comment is ambiguous.

[Pdt2f]

6 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

People from rural counties shouldn't have a vote in deciding state or city matters.

http://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-lawmakers-cite-wikipedia-and-the-onion-while-debating-bill

This is ParkAve level trolling. Go to the Civil Rights Room at the archive and read about what happens when one segment of the population that considers itself superior tries to exclude another segment from having a say in political matters. 

[grilled_cheese]

I'll send them my thoughts and prayers.

[ruraljuror]

22 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

This is ParkAve level trolling. Go to the Civil Rights Room at the archive and read about what happens when one segment of the population that considers itself superior tries to exclude another segment from having a say in political matters. 

You're certainly right, but you don't have to go to the Civil Rights Room to see this kind of deliberate disenfranchisement in action still today (e.g. gerrymandering, voter ID laws and which IDs qualify, etc.)

[Guest]

^^

The true disenfranchisement occurs every time an illegally cast ballot cancels out a valid ballot. 

The gerrymandering and required voter ID canard is truly laughable. 

[BnaBreaker]

Ohhh boy.  

Edited April 9, 2018 by BnaBreaker

[SoundScan]

4 hours ago, nashville_bound said:

^^

The true disenfranchisement occurs every time an illegally cast ballot cancels out a valid ballot. 

The gerrymandering and required voter ID canard is truly laughable. 

First, citation needed. Second, you don’t get to redefine words like ‘disenfranchisement’ at your whim because you believe it fits nicely into the conspiracy theories of a particular ideology. Frankly, it’s pretty embarrassing that you feel it’s appropriate to do so given our nation’s political history.

 

[ruraljuror]

5 hours ago, nashville_bound said:

^^

The true disenfranchisement occurs every time an illegally cast ballot cancels out a valid ballot. 

The gerrymandering and required voter ID canard is truly laughable. 

It's one thing to disagree about whether or not something like the transit plan is a good idea.  It requires making predictions about the future (like population growth and ridership estimates) that no one really knows.  You may weigh the forecasting evidence one way and I may weigh it another, and we can both rationally reach different conclusions.  

But this isn't that.

 

Nothing works if we can't agree to basic facts.  Democracy doesn't work.  Civilization doesn't work.  Urban Planet doesn't work. Nothing works.

 

Obviously gerrymandering is a thing.  I'm not sure what's laughable about it.  If I were making it up I would've given it a less ridiculous name (If you meant that the word 'gerrmandering' is laughable as a funny sounding word, then we agree--it's a long story, but basically there was this politician named Gerry who redrew his district in the shape of a salamander in order to make sure he could get re-elected, because) gerrymandering is clearly a real thing.  And more importantly...

 

It's a NON-PARTISAN ISSUE.  Democrats do it.  Republicans do it.  It's a real, mathematically measurable/provable thing.  And it's always wrong because it skews the whole foundational idea of one (pers)man, one vote, which were were all in favor of just a couple of posts up the message board before you put your partisan hat on.

 

And of course disenfranchisement happens every time an illegal vote is cast that cancels out a valid one.  But what about when an illegal vote just cancels out another illegal vote for the other team?  Beside the fact that there is literally no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud whatsoever, why on earth would you think it would be more widespread on one side of the political aisle than the other?  Even if you're right that there are tons of illegal votes being cast, wouldn't you think that it would probably balance out? Or do you think a disproportionate number of Democrats are voting illegally?  If so, they're doing a really bad job of it given there are Republican majorities in all branches of the Federal government and 2/3rds of the states.  If only all those illegal voters had voted 15 times instead of 9, right? It's nonsensical.  

 

Do you think scrubbing voter rolls for similar sounding names is a good idea?  Me nether!--non-partisan.  Do you think polling places in each district should be open for the same set hours/days and serve the same number of voters?  Me too!--non-partisan.  Do you think that every eligible citizen should be able to vote for free?  Should any ID required to vote then also be free and distributed to all qualified voters?  Then we agree again--it's non-partisan.

 

I'm not sure what's so laughable about any of that.

Edited April 9, 2018 by ruraljuror

[MidTenn1]

This current conversation about voting really serves no good purpose other than to derail other appropriate 'Bits and Pieces' information.  If you want, take it to the coffee house forum, but keep it civil and respectful.

So let's drop this line of discussion about political philosophy and  get back to discussion over the elements of growth and development that don't quite fit into other forums which is the Bits and Pieces purpose. 

[Guest]

A long read on the origin of Nashville 'bach' parties....and they long-term beneficial effect on Nashville's population growth.

(It is Buzzfeed and I was linked to it...do not judge me)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/how-nashville-became-one-big-bachelorette-party?utm_term=.waxrD1Q8a#.dvB3XkrqW

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Guest

[MLBrumby]

Yikes!! I actually know what this means. Atlanta gets knocked for its fakeness. So does its little sister. I remember when it seemed everyone in Nashville said, "We (as if it had been mutually discussed and agreed) don't want to be the next Atlanta." So when was the last time anyone heard that said? 

None of these developments are novel to Nashville; at least a dozen people told me “Nashville feels like Austin, 10 years ago.” But that decade is telling: Austin’s ghost has largely been bulldozed and built over with box condos. Nashville’s is still just visible enough to haunt it.

[titanhog]

What a snarky article.

[memphian]

My goodness that was a lengthy read!