Downtown South (Sunrail/Amtrak, SODO, Orlando Health, Lymmo, Orange/Michigan Avenues)

[Alleri459]

12 hours ago, uncreativeusername said:

I understand how these plans might make some folks uncomfortable.  And I, too, find celebrating potential economic benefit to the area abhorrent.

On the other hand, I personally find this design quite triumphant and I was truly happy to hear it was the winner.  As a gay kid who grew up in Orlando in the late nineties/early aughts and felt very accepted by my community (for which I am incredibly grateful), one of the many difficult parts of seeing this tragedy unfold from afar was witnessing people react as if they were not surprised this happened in "backwoods" Orlando.  A good number of people outside of Florida seem to have difficulty understanding that any city in Florida might be even remotely progressive, and I found myself coming to Orlando's defense in casual conversation with upsetting frequency in the months after Pulse.  

Visibility has been and continues to be such a cornerstone of LGBTQ+ progress, it strikes me as courageous to respond to such a terrible act of violence against the community with such a bold, striking design.  In the state whose former governor took 48 hours to even mention the LGBTQ+ community after Pulse happened and whose current governor forgot to mention the LGBTQ+ community entirely in a Pulse proclamation this June, I can't help but to interpret this design as a celebration of, and victory for visibility. 

I'm not sure there is a right or wrong here, just  sharing my own reaction...

THIS!

Also, I think bold design of the museum element is overshadowing other equally important elements, which I believe were designed well.  From what I have seen on social media, and here even, has been a great deal of attention on the museum element. The design is supposed to be the bold triumphant element representing how many people, businesses, entities and Orlando came together strong pushing forward despite the tone deaf approach by state leaders. From what I understood, it would tell the full story of the lives and events. This would become the largest LGBTQ museum in the country. 

The Memorial and Survivors Walk elements on this design were nice, which I really do not hear or see anyone talking about. Other designs seemed war memorial-like, a little "out there", or had very little to no shaded areas. The walk is basically a trail along Orange Ave.

As far as tourist attraction comments, tourists or people visiting from out of town already visit the current site, especially members of the LGBTQ+ community, young people and families. The news of this event traveled the world and the desire to pay respect, or even curiosity, will continue to lead people to this site. 

This is also my own reaction. The approach to "finding what works best" will be a subjective solution, if there is one.

I included some pictures and screenshots from the video of the memorial and Survivor Walk.

The Survivors Walk

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by aleonrivera

[Jernigan]

FoxTail is back on for the former Mama Bs site just south of Gore

[AmIReal]

42 minutes ago, Jernigan said:

FoxTail is back on for the former Mama Bs site just south of Gore

Really! Do tell...

[Jernigan]

7 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

Really! Do tell...

That’s all I got.  Fresh building permit applied for.

Cmon Craft & Common - you know you want to take over that old Starbucks in Sodo

 

[smileguy]

1 hour ago, Jernigan said:

FoxTail is back on for the former Mama Bs site just south of Gore

I heard they pulled out of The Yard... anyone know anything?

[codypet]

On 10/31/2019 at 8:10 AM, HankStrong said:

It matters to me more than Scott Joseph's.

The place was packed when we went, so service was understandably slow, but it didn't speed up when the place died down.  We were there for over three hours.   The brussels, and binets were on point.  The meat and cheese board I heard was great as well.  The cauliflower was undercooked and promptly sent back.  It was better when it was brought back.   I personally had the pork tenderloin which was very good as was my wife's salmon.  My buddy's grouper looked fantastic.  The drinks are $12-$15 which is a little steep for my taste.  

[ragerunner]

Nice write up about the Pulse Memorial and Museum in Architectural Digest.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/national-pulse-memorial-museum-winning-design-team-announced

[popsiclebrandon]

On 11/1/2019 at 3:10 PM, smileguy said:

I heard they pulled out of The Yard... anyone know anything?

[AmIReal]

26 minutes ago, popsiclebrandon said:

I spoke with two different vendors that are supposed to be in the Yard and they are concerned about delays. They did not provide much more detail.

Oops, just posted this and realized it is south Orlando section and not Ivanhoe.

Edited November 4, 2019 by AmIReal

[AmIReal]

Orlando Health sure is scooping up a lot of property in the area. I noticed the Orange facing lot next to the fire house at Kaley is fenced off and says it will be their imaging center (I think).

They also bought the old Bell South building near the corner of Columbia and Division as well as the "sick" building across the street that used to house Scott Randolph's operation. Add to that the 30k foot warehouse next to the Amtrak station and a smaller infill lot  on Copeland. All of these purchased within the past year. I guess they are just ensuring they will have the space for continued growth, but at this rate they look like they want to own everything between Gore and Kaley.

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/10/30/orlando-health-buys-more-central-florida-land.html?iana=hpmvp_orl_news_headline

[smileguy]

19 hours ago, AmIReal said:

Orlando Health sure is scooping up a lot of property in the area. I noticed the Orange facing lot next to the fire house at Kaley is fenced off and says it will be their imaging center (I think).

They also bought the old Bell South building near the corner of Columbia and Division as well as the "sick" building across the street that used to house Scott Randolph's operation. Add to that the 30k foot warehouse next to the Amtrak station and a smaller infill lot  on Copeland. All of these purchased within the past year. I guess they are just ensuring they will have the space for continued growth, but at this rate they look like they want to own everything between Gore and Kaley.

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/10/30/orlando-health-buys-more-central-florida-land.html?iana=hpmvp_orl_news_headline

Thats what institutions do.  They have the money and are in it for the long run.  I hear a new bed tower is coming soon, but not sure where. 

[Jernigan]

The moving of that imaging center from across the street is a big win.  The former has already been purchased by a company that is planning retail which will connect the small retail stretch north of Kaley down to Kaley.    

Edited November 6, 2019 by Jernigan

[dcluley98]

1 hour ago, smileguy said:

  I hear a new bed tower is coming soon, but not sure where. 

Arnold Palmer Hospital. 

[AmIReal]

Wow, I didn't see this coming. I've always thought the SoDo development was undersized. This would help address the issue.

From GS-

"The 6-acre site is at 215 W Grant St... (would) keep a 29,000-square-foot fully-leased warehouse...  add three new buildings with a combined 50,000 square feet and an industrial-chic vibe...(and) include a second flex warehouse building, an office or micro-brewery and a 12,600-square foot retail/restaurant."

And, yes, its in an opportunity zone.

https://www.growthspotter.com/news/retail-dining-developments/gs-news-sodo-hughes-20191106-pkipv6eedzanjgdgkuhcsspuma-story.html

[JFW657]

[AmIReal]

Thanks. Pics always help.

[codypet]

57 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Am I missing something?  Didn't they build townhomes here like a year ago?

[jgardnerucf]

2 minutes ago, codypet said:

Am I missing something?  Didn't they build townhomes here like a year ago?

Day is adjacent across zee street of Grant.

[Jernigan]

On 10/30/2019 at 3:42 PM, Jernigan said:

Grant Street Redevelopment:

I wonder if this would be the new home of Orlando Brewing?!

Bumping this from last week (I posted it but then someone posted something about some kind of museum so it got lost in the shuffle).

Check out that MPB Staff Report though.

Some things to note based on the images JFW shared and other comments:

- The street on the right side of the rendering is a new private driveway on the project - NOT Lucerne Terrace that is pictured on the right side of the map image.   Those homes aren't going to disappear or anything.

- That little parcel on the northwest corner of Lucerne Terrace and Grant is supposed to be an additional set of townhomes just like the ones recently built and under construction on the east side of Lucerne Terrace.

- And lastly - I'll say it again - could Orlando Brewing be moving here?  Their current site was sold to Orlando Health and they would have to vacate in the next few years.   

Edited November 6, 2019 by Jernigan

[Naqiy90]

On 10/30/2019 at 11:12 AM, ragerunner said:

The winning Pulse design team was announced this morning. Final design work will now begin. This is a big day for the OnePulseFoundation, families, the SODO District and the City of Orlando.

Coldefy and RDAI are out of Paris and HHCP is from Orlando.

 

Reminds me Calatrava, too bad Orlando couldn't pay him to design it like the Oculus at Ground zero in NYC

[orlandouprise]

my only question is it says its an open-air museum? Like no A/C? in humid FL?? Or am I not understanding correctly?

[AmIReal]

9 hours ago, Jernigan said:

Bumping this from last week (I posted it but then someone posted something about some kind of museum so it got lost in the shuffle).

Check out that MPB Staff Report though.

Some things to note based on the images JFW shared and other comments:

- The street on the right side of the rendering is a new private driveway on the project - NOT Lucerne Terrace that is pictured on the right side of the map image.   Those homes aren't going to disappear or anything.

- That little parcel on the northwest corner of Lucerne Terrace and Grant is supposed to be an additional set of townhomes just like the ones recently built and under construction on the east side of Lucerne Terrace.

- And lastly - I'll say it again - could Orlando Brewing be moving here?  Their current site was sold to Orlando Health and they would have to vacate in the next few years.   

I saw your post last week and I've asked some friends to inquire around about Orlando Brewing. No word recently, but a few months back I was under the impression they did not have a time limit on their current site.

[JFW657]

13 hours ago, Jernigan said:

Bumping this from last week (I posted it but then someone posted something about some kind of museum so it got lost in the shuffle).

Check out that MPB Staff Report though.

Some things to note based on the images JFW shared and other comments:

- The street on the right side of the rendering is a new private driveway on the project - NOT Lucerne Terrace that is pictured on the right side of the map image.   Those homes aren't going to disappear or anything.

- That little parcel on the northwest corner of Lucerne Terrace and Grant is supposed to be an additional set of townhomes just like the ones recently built and under construction on the east side of Lucerne Terrace.

- And lastly - I'll say it again - could Orlando Brewing be moving here?  Their current site was sold to Orlando Health and they would have to vacate in the next few years.   

Yes, I wanted to outline the actual parcel, but it was late and that would have been more time-consuming work. I also didn't want to zoom the map pic in closer, because that would've defeated my purpose, which was to give a better idea of the location than the rendering does.

C'est la vie.

Edit:

Edited November 6, 2019 by JFW657

[codypet]

The patio and the fact that its fronting Grant with Sodo across the street might be a good indication

 

[AmIReal]

Looking at the empty lot photo JFW posted, the big warehouse outside the yellow lines I believe is the big blank building shown in the mock up and should be within the yellow lines of the overall project. This building is fully leased, will be renovated and is staying, per the GS article. The developer will build 3 new buildings that will basically fit within the yellow lines JFW drew and those are the buildings depicted in the mock up. The back and middle building will be flex space and the building fronting Grant will be flex/ office/ microbrew/ retail/ restaurant???

Also, per the article, the back 2 (or 3) buildings will be contained within a fenced off area and I especially liked this comment- "Grant Street is one of three east-west streets slated to receive pedestrian and bike improvements in 2022."