Downtown South (Sunrail/Amtrak, SODO, Orlando Health, Lymmo, Orange/Michigan Avenues)

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, nite owℓ said:

I'm not saying the void needs to be replaced with more doors (doors already exist in that corner) -- just windows at street level is all. If they're going to put a building on the corner of a moderate to high-traffic intersection, transparency comes first and the onus is on the tenant to figure out how to work with the building's layout. "We can't have windows because of the juice bar/deli" is a poor excuse to defy basic streetscape tenets.

On the other hand, given all the hoops businesses already have to jump through in order to open, throwing yet another one at them is a good way to discourage tenancy. If a business has a particular floor plan layout they prefer to follow, there's no law that says they have to locate in a building that doesn't allow for it. There's nothing stopping them from going somewhere else. Then the developer is in the position of having to start all over again, to try to find another tenant.  For all we know, Earth Fare may have said that a large window there was a deal breaker.

All I'm saying is that things are more complicated than just telling tenants they have to have a large window in a spot whether they like it or not just to satisfy some local design recommendation.

Lining up a major tenant is probably costly, time consuming and generally not easy. Hence, the need for a certain amount of compromise.

 

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Edited October 16, 2019 by JFW657

[AmIReal]

1 hour ago, nite owℓ said:

I'm not saying the void needs to be replaced with more doors (doors already exist in that corner) -- just windows at street level is all. If they're going to put a building on the corner of a moderate to high-traffic intersection, transparency comes first and the onus is on the tenant to figure out how to work with the building's layout. "We can't have windows because of the juice bar/deli" is a poor excuse to defy basic streetscape tenets.

I agree in theory, but in practice it often looks like the Stasio's window on Bumby which is the back side of a work table, lots of staff drink cups, stacked boxes and everything else they need to stuff in a corner.

In the case of Novel at Gore and Orange there is glass at the corner, as you pointed out. I like the idea of using the area in question as a highlight space for art, waterfall, plants, etc. I don't like the current look which is just signage and I even more dislike the signs in the glass windows along Orange.

[JFW657]

2 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

I agree in theory, but in practice it often looks like the Stasio's window on Bumby which is the back side of a work table, lots of staff drink cups, stacked boxes and everything else they need to stuff in a corner.

In the case of Novel at Gore and Orange there is glass at the corner, as you pointed out. I like the idea of using the area in question as a highlight space for art, waterfall, plants, etc. I don't like the current look which is just signage and I even more dislike the signs in the glass windows along Orange.

There might even be large pieces of restaurant/food service equipment along that wall, like coolers, ovens, etc.

[codypet]

48 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

There might even be large pieces of restaurant/food service equipment along that wall, like coolers, ovens, etc.

In the case of Stasio's its their industrial mixer against the window.

[jgardnerucf]

The new SoDo signs look good.  They are quite North up the poles.

[spenser1058]

Mooyah at Lucky’s Corner:

https://www.thedailycity.com/post/mooyah-sodo-orlando

From The Daily City 

[Jernigan]

On 10/7/2019 at 7:23 PM, Jernigan said:

PDQ going up at Southside.   Also, another coming soon there is Mooyah (burgers, shakes, fries) a few doors down from Jersey Mike’s.

Who loves ya @spenser1058

[spenser1058]

The pics were closer up (at least they seemed so on my phone) so I thought it was worth the update.

[ragerunner]

The winning Pulse design team was announced this morning. Final design work will now begin. This is a big day for the OnePulseFoundation, families, the SODO District and the City of Orlando.

Coldefy and RDAI are out of Paris and HHCP is from Orlando.

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by ragerunner

[Jernigan]

Grant Street Redevelopment:

I wonder if this would be the new home of Orlando Brewing?!

[JFW657]

4 hours ago, ragerunner said:

The winning Pulse design team was announced this morning. Final design work will now begin. This is a big day for the OnePulseFoundation, families, the SODO District and the City of Orlando.

Coldefy and RDAI are out of Paris and HHCP is from Orlando.

 

Figures they'd choose the gaudiest, tackiest looking entry.

Hope they included enough funding for the laser light show, roller coaster, gift/t-shirt shop and revolving restaurant. 

[nite owℓ]

21 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Figures they'd choose the gaudiest, tackiest looking entry.

Hope they included enough funding for the laser light show, roller coaster, gift/t-shirt shop and revolving restaurant. 

I understand everyone has different takes (and I don't believe either camp is necessarily right or wrong per se), but I'm in the camp that feels uncomfortable with the current plans for the museum/memorial. The mother of one of the victims created a petition: Stop profit on blood shed. Please visit the link and add your name if you want to support her wishes.

Sometimes it seems like the planners teeter on the verge of creating a tourist attraction rather than a memorial. Some articles have even mentioned economic benefit to the area - that line of thinking just seems so inappropriate and tasteless. It took months before I could even work up the nerve to drive along Orange Ave without using the back roads and I still haven't visited the memorial... just too painful. I think the building should be torn down and replaced with a memorial on site... maybe at the most, leave the exterior bathroom wall to show the means of escape for the remaining survivors. It's a complex issue -- the current plans represent healing for some people, but for other people the plans seem to lose sight of the lives it cost to build such an attraction.

[JFW657]

I posted the same thing here re: the tourist attraction comment. 

And I have heard/read talk of economic benefits.

Utterly unbelievable.

[uncreativeusername]

6 hours ago, nite owℓ said:

I understand everyone has different takes (and I don't believe either camp is necessarily right or wrong per se), but I'm in the camp that feels uncomfortable with the current plans for the museum/memorial. The mother of one of the victims created a petition: Stop profit on blood shed. Please visit the link and add your name if you want to support her wishes.

Sometimes it seems like the planners teeter on the verge of creating a tourist attraction rather than a memorial. Some articles have even mentioned economic benefit to the area - that line of thinking just seems so inappropriate and tasteless. It took months before I could even work up the nerve to drive along Orange Ave without using the back roads and I still haven't visited the memorial... just too painful. I think the building should be torn down and replaced with a memorial on site... maybe at the most, leave the exterior bathroom wall to show the means of escape for the remaining survivors. It's a complex issue -- the current plans represent healing for some people, but for other people the plans seem to lose sight of the lives it cost to build such an attraction.

I understand how these plans might make some folks uncomfortable.  And I, too, find celebrating potential economic benefit to the area abhorrent.

On the other hand, I personally find this design quite triumphant and I was truly happy to hear it was the winner.  As a gay kid who grew up in Orlando in the late nineties/early aughts and felt very accepted by my community (for which I am incredibly grateful), one of the many difficult parts of seeing this tragedy unfold from afar was witnessing people react as if they were not surprised this happened in "backwoods" Orlando.  A good number of people outside of Florida seem to have difficulty understanding that any city in Florida might be even remotely progressive, and I found myself coming to Orlando's defense in casual conversation with upsetting frequency in the months after Pulse.  

Visibility has been and continues to be such a cornerstone of LGBTQ+ progress, it strikes me as courageous to respond to such a terrible act of violence against the community with such a bold, striking design.  In the state whose former governor took 48 hours to even mention the LGBTQ+ community after Pulse happened and whose current governor forgot to mention the LGBTQ+ community entirely in a Pulse proclamation this June, I can't help but to interpret this design as a celebration of, and victory for visibility. 

I'm not sure there is a right or wrong here, just  sharing my own reaction...

Edited October 31, 2019 by uncreativeusername

[spenser1058]

Scott J finds Delaney’s to be a keeper:

https://www.scottjosephorlando.com/reviews/51-american/4910-delaney-s-tavern

[codypet]

I'll be there this weekend with some friends so I'll let you know what I think.

Because my opinion matters 

Edited October 31, 2019 by codypet

[HankStrong]

6 minutes ago, codypet said:

I'll be there this weekend with some friends so I'll let you know what I think.

Because my opinion matters 

It matters to me more than Scott Joseph's.

[spenser1058]

8 minutes ago, HankStrong said:

It matters to me more than Scott Joseph's.

Oh my!

[HankStrong]

Just now, spenser1058 said:

Oh my!

I know you're a fan boy, but I don't see it.

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, HankStrong said:

I know you're a fan boy, but I don't see it.

He's had pretty much the longest following of the local critics but you and Andy can always start the protest march!

[AmIReal]

I've been several times and for the most part I'd agree with the review. The redo of the space came out really well and the staff is good, particularly by downtown standards. Joseph seems to like the food more than we did- the menu definitely lacks cohesive direction. That squid pasta dish was really good, but the shrimp and grits is overly goopy, the cauliflower app is soggy and the flatbreads are meh. I haven't tried a burger of sandwiches yet, but friends have told me they're good.

If you like the food from Santiago's this is on par.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, AmIReal said:

I've been several times and for the most part I'd agree with the review. The redo of the space came out really well and the staff is good, particularly by downtown standards. Joseph seems to like the food more than we did- the menu definitely lacks cohesive direction. That squid pasta dish was really good, but the shrimp and grits is overly goopy, the cauliflower app is soggy and the flatbreads are meh. I haven't tried a burger of sandwiches yet, but friends have told me they're good.

If you like the food from Santiago's this is on par.

I'm sure I'll  see it as I drive past it on my way somewhere else, many times over the next few years.

[AmIReal]

2 hours ago, AmIReal said:

I've been several times and for the most part I'd agree with the review. The redo of the space came out really well and the staff is good, particularly by downtown standards. Joseph seems to like the food more than we did- the menu definitely lacks cohesive direction. That squid pasta dish was really good, but the shrimp and grits is overly goopy, the cauliflower app is soggy and the flatbreads are meh. I haven't tried a burger of sandwiches yet, but friends have told me they're good.

If you like the food from Santiago's this is on par.

I may have been a little harsh. It is definitely worth checking out and it is a huge improvement over everything else in the neighborhood. They just need to tighten up the menu and improve the kitchen skills. The concept is good- execution will improve.

Go. Try it for yourself.

[Jernigan]

Location is perfect for anyone from south heading to an evening event downtown.  You can usually snag a parking spot in front on the street.   

[JFW657]

28 minutes ago, Jernigan said:

Location is perfect for anyone from south heading to an evening event downtown.  You can usually snag a parking spot in front on the street.   

Isn't the garage behind the place available?