Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge

[markhollin]

A downtown cinema complex may not have to be as dependent on parking as suburban spaces because there is built-in foot-trafffic from conventioneers and tourists looking for things to do.  Additionally, with all of the additional residents moving therein the Gulch, various central apartments/condos, Germantown, Rolling Mill Hill, etc. there are now thousands more folks who would like to see movies  without having to travel out of the core.  

[troyboytn]

Regal Cinema's downtown cinemaplex was the catalyst of Knoxville's downtown revitalization. It was and is a huge success. A theater is great for after dark activation in any downtown

Edited May 12, 2015 by troyboytn

[Paramount747]

The good and the bad of the boom town thing... Land in Nashville is harder to come by at a price that is even in the financial ballpark. Downtown dirt is now over $200 a foot. A movie theater is around 55,000 SF plus a huge parking load. That means a structured deck for 600-1000 spaces at $18,000 a space.

$75 MM for a theater is double what it costs to build in the suburbs. You can't charge double for the tickets.

Movie theater is such a bad idea. Horrible idea. Movie theater patronage is at an all time low. Movies very rarely have a week run. Most people under 30 now watch movies on Netflix, Hulu, and on demand services. I have not been to a movie theater in years. Last time I went, the place was filthy and pretty much abandoned.

 

However, an arts cinema like the Belcourt would be great. Art house's are doing well because of the "experience" one gets with Q & A's after the shows, and other "intangibles", but the typical movie theater/industry is dead. Movie theaters as we know them (the multiplexes) died with rotary dial phones and dial-up internet.

 

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/number-of-frequent-young-moviegoers-plummets-in-2013-1201146426/

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/business/media/to-lure-young-movie-theaters-shake-smell-and-spritz.html?_r=0

 

Regal cinemas profits dropped 50%.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Paramount747

[Guest]

Movie theater is such a bad idea. Horrible idea. Movie theater patronage is at an all time low. Movies very rarely have a week run. Most people under 30 now watch movies on Netflix, Hulu, and on demand services. I have not been to a movie theater in years. Last time I went, the place was filthy and pretty much abandoned.

However, an arts cinema like the Belcourt would be great. Art house's are doing well because of the "experience" one gets with Q & A's after the shows, and other "intangibles", but the typical movie theater/industry is dead. Movie theaters as we know them (the multiplexes) died with rotary dial phones and dial-up internet.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/number-of-frequent-young-moviegoers-plummets-in-2013-1201146426/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/business/media/to-lure-young-movie-theaters-shake-smell-and-spritz.html?_r=0

Regal cinemas profits dropped 50%.

Agree. Overall I am not a fan on the traditional movie theater archetype in the urban environment. They are big blank walled dark boxes. They don't offer street activation and they don't offer urban facades. The traditional theater as we know it today not inly belongs in the suburbs, but is dying a slow death.

[rookzie]

Speaking of theaters, a new performing stage would be in order somewhere down the line, I would think, with private partnership, although it could be tough acoustically to incorporate in a mixed-use setting with dwellings.

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Edited May 12, 2015 by rookzie

[NashRugger]

Eventually we'll need a new performing arts center complex and some cities, such as Charlotte, Dallas, and even Kansas City have incredible facilities while our TPAC looks like a basement under a high-rise. The question is, where would it go?

[smeagolsfree]

Trust Development planning four more units in HVB.

https://www.nashvillepost.com/blogs/postbusiness/2015/5/12/construction_of_400k_homes_awaits_buena_vista

[HGMIII]

Trust Development planning four more units in HVB.

https://www.nashvillepost.com/blogs/postbusiness/2015/5/12/construction_of_400k_homes_awaits_buena_vista

Heard about this previously, glad it is finally public.  

 

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/115616-n-capitolgermantownsalemtownmetro-centerelizabeth-parkhbv/page-38#entry1329609 

Edited May 12, 2015 by HGMIII

[RonCamp]

Eventually we'll need a new performing arts center complex and some cities, such as Charlotte, Dallas, and even Kansas City have incredible facilities while our TPAC looks like a basement under a high-rise. The question is, where would it go?

 

This is a great point, NashRugger.  TPAC will need to be replaced eventually.  I haven't thought about this until you mentioned it.  When this eventually happens, something on the quality level and scale of the Schermerhorn would be an incredible addition to our city.

 

What about the land bordered by 2nd, 3rd, Gay and James Robertson... if the criminal justice complex ends up moving elsewhere?

Edited May 12, 2015 by RonCamp

[troyboytn]

Agree. Overall I am not a fan on the traditional movie theater archetype in the urban environment. They are big blank walled dark boxes. They don't offer street activation and they don't offer urban facades. The traditional theater as we know it today not inly belongs in the suburbs, but is dying a slow death.

This is not always true. When done right it can be an incredible success.  The Regal Riviara 8 on Gay street in downtown Knoxville has a beautiful front facade. There are no blank walls because it was built into the interior of a couple of dilapidated buildings and spread out into 2 others on the backside of the complex. It also offers enormous street activation before as well as after showing. The city made a big bet on the project with additional public funding in conjunction with Regal and it paid off big time. Before the complex was built, much of Gay street was dead, with empty and boarded buildings... now, solely because of the initial success of the theater, the entirety of Gay street has been reactivated and revitalized. Once empty, buildings are now full with condos, shops, pubs, sports bars, and trendy restaurants as well as the banks and law firms (that never left downtown). . So, yes, when done thoughtfully, and with a creative manner, a theater can be an excellent addition.  Today, downtown is the place to be....it's no longer, west Knoxville or the malls. The crowds, day and night, 7 days a week tells the tale nicely.

Edited May 12, 2015 by troyboytn

[MLBrumby]

So what you are saying is that the Gossett building would be a great start for a front to a googleplex theater... if only Pollock Shore weren't so dang cheap (okay, I don't know that for sure). 

[bhibbs]

Movie theater is such a bad idea. Horrible idea. Movie theater patronage is at an all time low. Movies very rarely have a week run. Most people under 30 now watch movies on Netflix, Hulu, and on demand services. I have not been to a movie theater in years. Last time I went, the place was filthy and pretty much abandoned.

 

However, an arts cinema like the Belcourt would be great. Art house's are doing well because of the "experience" one gets with Q & A's after the shows, and other "intangibles", but the typical movie theater/industry is dead. Movie theaters as we know them (the multiplexes) died with rotary dial phones and dial-up internet.

 

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/number-of-frequent-young-moviegoers-plummets-in-2013-1201146426/

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/business/media/to-lure-young-movie-theaters-shake-smell-and-spritz.html?_r=0

 

Regal cinemas profits dropped 50%.

 

You must have never been to Opry Mills movie theater or Regal 27 in 100 Oaks on the weekend....both of those places are insanely busy during those points in time.

[Bezoar]

Farewell to the Gossett:  http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/real-estate/2015/05/12/mixed-used-project-across-nes-include-retail-space/27190487/

[CenterHill]

Farewell to the Gossett:  http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/real-estate/2015/05/12/mixed-used-project-across-nes-include-retail-space/27190487/

 

Saw that coming.     9000 sq ft of retail seems like a paltry amount considering the amount of street frontage on all 4 sides.     The Gossett Bldg alone probably has more than that.     Question is will the retail be on Church or down on the corner across from Chauhan's?      

 

On the bright side, it will be good to get rid of this:   

 

Edited May 12, 2015 by CenterHill

[MLBrumby]

Gossett... gone!  Too bad... it would have made a very nice (not to mention unique) centerpiece of an entertainment block surrounding the apartments proposed there.  

[MLBrumby]

Clearly, a theater complex is dependent on location... and when/where it is placed far from other movie options near a growing population base, it will be successful.  

[BnaBreaker]

I despise this cheap ass bull**** suburban development company already.  I'd tell you what I really think of them so far, but I'm not trying to get banned. 

Edited May 13, 2015 by BnaBreaker

[Jamie Hall]

Having lived in the Tampa area for a while, I've seen BayWalk in St. Petersburg and Centro Ybor in Tampa both support massive movie theaters in new-ish entertainment complexes surrounded by a mix of chain retail, local retail and restaurants. Both cater to a mix of tourists and locals, and Centro Ybor is largely a nightlife destination -- the attractions would blend well with lower Broadway. Parking is a mix of street-level and garages. I could absolutely imagine one of those concepts working for the Lifeway site.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Jamie Hall

[agentemo1]

My street is growing up faster than I thought.

[volsfanwill]

here is a visual for the Knoxville downtown theater.

similar to old urban theaters, the street front is narrow and only holds ticketing and concessions (i may have misspelled that when making this)

and the theater is in the back, in this case they included the entire back side of a block that was unused and abandoned. 

I also included the Kat bus transit hub that was built as a cap over a highway. a great use of unused space.  this was just to share with everyone.

 

knoxthe by willfry, on Flickr

[smeagolsfree]

A Six unit project by Core going at SW corner of 7th and Taylor. Another project passed to WW. This will come off the pay wall soon.

 

https://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2015/5/13/germantown_site_near_werthan_lofts_eyed_for_small_infill_project

[MidTenn1]

I haven't seen this particular diagram before.

 

http://uli.org/wp-content/uploads/ULI-Documents/ULI_Team1856_Layout_Press-Quality.pdf

 

I knew there was a competition among several national college architectural departments for an overall development plan for the Sulphur Dell area, but this is really remarkable! 

[HGMIII]

Was cruising around these few blocks y'day and saw 8 new "front/back" townhouses under construction, all of them stark white, looked like a condo in Malibu

 

[MidTenn1]

Some highlights;

 

 

 

 

 

[UTgrad09]

Aside from the overuse of the word "Dell", I like the concept.

 

And unfortunately, I feel like the trees are just for show.