Four Seasons Hotel and Residences, 40 stories, 542', $400 million

[Armacing]

21 hours ago, downtownresident said:

I avoid the underside of the Pedestrian bridge because it’s essentially a homeless camp. No way that will remain status quo once this building opens. 

Actually, I think there is a near 100% chance that nothing will change with the homeless situation because of this tower.  The residents will just deal with it and/or ignore it.  They will accept it as just another gritty aspect of downtown living.  Anyone who isn't willing to accept that type of grit will look for a mansion in Williamson county, preferably with their lot backing up to a golf course.

[Nash_12South]

23 hours ago, downtownresident said:

I avoid the underside of the Pedestrian bridge because it’s essentially a homeless camp. No way that will remain status quo once this building opens. 

I agree with the line of thinking. The Four Seasons as well as the Centric will drive more and more folks down Second, past this spot,  and it will cease being quiet "oasis" it has been. Tourists will complain, single women will feel "threatened" and the city will get pushed to clean up the area.

[Armacing]

5 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

I agree with the line of thinking. The Four Seasons as well as the Centric will drive more and more folks down Second, past this spot,  and it will cease being quiet "oasis" it has been. Tourists will complain, single women will feel "threatened" and the city will get pushed to clean up the area.

I just don't see how that can happen (as nice as it would be).  Surely complaints have already been lodged about the current situation.  Look at church street.  What, are there not enough scared residents or threatened pedestrians or concerned mothers in the vicinity of the church street park to precipitate the type of crackdown you imagine?  The sad truth is that the political will to do what you are describing does not exist currently, and will not materialize with the addition of two new towers.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Armacing

[Nash_12South]

I get your points and you may be right. I just think as the downtown population grows the homeless encampments will be less tolerated. 1000s of Amazon employees, Alliance B. folks, the new courthouse staff will complain, where we’ve grown used to shrugging and moving on. 

We will never be rid of homeless individuals. It’s the encampments that I think will get pushed out or at least relocated. Just my opinion and I admit I may be wrong....

[Bark At The Sun]

I spoke with one of the contractors on the Shelby Bridge yesterday on the way home.   They expect to have a crane tower up by September.   Will have two on the site.   He also mentioned the Four Seasons building will be 42 stories tall.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Bark At The Sun

[deletethisaccount]

On 7/31/2019 at 6:00 PM, chris holman said:

Yeah it's bad guys the homeless are in numbers not just on Church st park but all the green spaces in the core, riverfront, accend, and in front of the Hilton and under the bridges even on gay street. More needs  to be done overall 

The police are instructed to let them be. I've seen insane conferentations with them and the cops regularly, and the cops have to just walk away. Ordinary citizens would be tazed and in cuffs under any other circumstance. Sad.

[PaulChinetti]

2 hours ago, nativenashville said:

The police are instructed to let them be. 

I’ll bite. By who?

[Native]

Advocates for the homeless (nothing wrong with that) pressure political officeholders to be kind to the street people.  This translates into policy and filters down to the police department.  Also, most cops would rather focus on real crime than spend hours mediating life under the bridge.  If the next mayor (whoever it is) wants to better police SoBro he will beef up the Central Precint with more walking patrols.  Without taking that step it will all be empty rhetoric.  

[ruraljuror]

2 hours ago, Native said:

Advocates for the homeless (nothing wrong with that) pressure political officeholders to be kind to the street people.  This translates into policy and filters down to the police department.  Also, most cops would rather focus on real crime than spend hours mediating life under the bridge.  If the next mayor (whoever it is) wants to better police SoBro he will beef up the Central Precint with more walking patrols.  Without taking that step it will all be empty rhetoric.  

I think it's less about kindness (although we should all be kind to homeless people and I certainly hope that homeless advocates, and political officeholders apply whatever pressure they can to make sure police do the same) and more about practicality.  Arresting everyone that the police caught sleeping in public, or loitering, or violating any other similar law aimed at the homeless would be a lot more expensive than just providing housing and food for the homeless population in the first place.  

[markhollin]

Lots of activity on the site.  I'm guessing we'll see at least the first crane base getting set any day now.

Looking NW from intersection of 1st Ave. South and Demonbreun:

 Looking west from intersection of 1st Ave. South and Demonbreun:

Looking north from intersection of 1st Ave. South and Demonbreun:

[Bark At The Sun]

[Mr_Bond]

On 8/6/2019 at 7:12 AM, Bark At The Sun said:

Over the past few weeks, I've run by here on the pedestrian bridge many times.  The size of each pier is massive.  It will be interesting to see how they transition to smaller columns as the floors go up.  Can't imagine having a pier that size in the middle of my Four Seasons condo.

[nashvylle]

1 hour ago, Mr_Bond said:

Over the past few weeks, I've run by here on the pedestrian bridge many times.  The size of each pier is massive.  It will be interesting to see how they transition to smaller columns as the floors go up.  Can't imagine having a pier that size in the middle of my Four Seasons condo.

foundation piers are larger than the base building, so that makes sense from what you are seeing.

[Native]

These things go down to bedrock, right?

[NashWellington11]

1 hour ago, Native said:

These things go down to bedrock, right?

I'm 100% positive they do. Bedrock is not very far down in most of Nashville. If you look at some of the pics of the sheeting & shoring for Asurion or the Amazon towers you can see that the bedrock is most likely no more than 20-30ft down. The bedrock (as well as flooding risk) is the main reason why almost any mass transit that involves tunneling in Nashville would be prohibitively expensive.

[downtownresident]

From today:

[Neigeville2]

On 8/9/2019 at 10:52 AM, NashWellington11 said:

I'm 100% positive they do. Bedrock is not very far down in most of Nashville. If you look at some of the pics of the sheeting & shoring for Asurion or the Amazon towers you can see that the bedrock is most likely no more than 20-30ft down. The bedrock (as well as flooding risk) is the main reason why almost any mass transit that involves tunneling in Nashville would be prohibitively expensive.

Nonsense.  New York's subways are bored through granite below sea level.  The most difficult material to drive a tunnel through is soft, silty soil that collapses into the hole as you go.  Limestone is a perfect tunneling material.

 

Edit:  rereading this, I feel "nonsense" was a rather rude word, I should have said "Not so" or something.  I apologize, it just irritates me how much this particular myth gets spread.

Edited August 10, 2019 by Neigeville2

[markhollin]

4 hours ago, Neigeville2 said:

Nonsense.  New York's subways are bored through granite below sea level.  The most difficult material to drive a tunnel through is soft, silty soil that collapses into the hole as you go.  Limestone is a perfect tunneling material.

Agreed.  When I met the head guy from  the company that was going to be brought in for the 1 mile tunnel downtown for the last mass transit proposal, he said that Nashville's bedrock was ideal for such an endeavor....much better than NYC. His company had done the latter, as well as Boston, and Seattle (among others). He thought that the time line for the dig was quite conservative---he felt they could cut a few months off the schedule because of the nature of the rock. He also scoffed at the fears of some of the downtown merchants who said the dig would ruin their foundations.  When you are 50-100 feet below the surface of bedrock, the boring doesn't rattle a thing. 

Anywhoooo...back to the Four Seasons project.  : )

[Bark At The Sun]

I would imagine the builders would rather have a flat bedded, limestone to bore a good depth into than other rock types and geologic conditions.   In Miami, they have to bore down to some pretty extensive depths for their pilings.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article17333627.html

[Armacing]

On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 10:52 AM, NashWellington11 said:

I'm 100% positive they do. Bedrock is not very far down in most of Nashville.

I think the rock is further down right next to the river than other areas of Nashville, but I bet they are still hitting bedrock.  I remember someone said on the Centric Hotel thread that the drill bits were breaking on rock, and that's practically right next door.

[NashRugger]

1 hour ago, Armacing said:

I think the rock is further down right next to the river than other areas of Nashville, but I bet they are still hitting bedrock.  I remember someone said on the Centric Hotel thread that the drill bits were breaking on rock, and that's practically right next door.

Welcome to karst terrain. You can have some ridiculous chunks of bedrock close to the surface and just feet away you have to go a long ways down.

[CenterHill]

17 minutes ago, NashRugger said:

Welcome to karst terrain. You can have some ridiculous chunks of bedrock close to the surface and just feet away you have to go a long ways down.

In my yard it's about 12 inches below the surface.   LOL 

[LA_TN]

On 8/23/2019 at 2:02 PM, NashRugger said:

Welcome to karst terrain. You can have some ridiculous chunks of bedrock close to the surface and just feet away you have to go a long ways down.

Very good, sir!! 

[deletethisaccount]

Crazy huge rock they dug out. Any thoughts?

[Sean blackdog]

2 minutes ago, nativenashville said:

Crazy huge rock they dug out. Any thoughts?

Maybe,  billions years ago?