The Bad News Report

[Silicon Dogwoods]

12 hours ago, kermit said:

^ Colorado was never viewed as being part of the least tolerant corner of the country (the South), so they only had to atone for contemporary sins. North Carolina had to work -very- hard for 50 years to be viewed as more open, tolerant and welcoming to all than the states surrounding it. It was very hard work communicating to the world that we never were part of the fire hose and police dog South. Unfortunately yesterday the world watched as Berger and Moore aimed a rhetorical hose at Paypal and Jennifer Roberts.  Our 50 years of image building has been completely trashed, we are once again viewed by the world (rightly or wrongly) as just another part of a region that only superficially evolved beyond its plantation past.

It will take decades to repair the damage.  

My sentiments exactly. Those sorry bastages gleefully put a blowtorch to the North Carolina playbook so painstakingly constructed after WWII.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: They want a North Carolina of 1916. Except with mobile phones and straight porn on demand. And Tim Moore has hated gay men ever since he was in school at Chapel Hill.

They live to see Charlotte die.

Bless their hearts, if you know what I mean.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Silicon Dogwoods

[Temeteron]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

http://usat.ly/1RYCVs2

cities that have banned work travel to NC include Seattle, NYC, Boston, DC, Minneapolis, Portland, and.....Atlanta! Insane.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Temeteron

[HopHead]

6 hours ago, Temeteron said:

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

http://usat.ly/1RYCVs2

cities that have banned work travel to NC include Seattle, NYC, Boston, DC, Minneapolis, Portland, and.....Atlanta! Insane.

Atlanta is a joke in this regard. They were a governor veto away from having very similar laws. It was only vetoed because they were scared of losing out on the Super Bowl with their new billion dollar, and partially funded by taxpayers, stadium.  And lets not forget they already tried to steal the NBA All Star game from Charlotte. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by HopHead

[Niner National]

49 minutes ago, HopHead said:

Atlanta is a joke in this regard. They were a governor veto away from having very similar laws. It was only vetoed because they were scared of losing out on the Super Bowl with their new billion dollar, and partially funded by taxpayers, stadium.  And lets not forget they already tried to steal the NBA All Star game from Charlotte. 

Yes, but Atlanta, like Charlotte, I'm sure was very much opposed to the law.

[HopHead]

12 minutes ago, Niner National said:

Yes, but Atlanta, like Charlotte, I'm sure was very much opposed to the law.

I'm sure they probably were... I just think they are being hypocritical. I'd expect Boston, Seattle, Portland, etc. to put in bans. Atlanta just saw this as political opportunity to say they are different, in which they really aren't. We just have one more boneheaded politician in another part of the state.

[urbanlover568]

I think the purging of jobs has slowed somewhat. Hopefully things will return to normal fast. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by mpretori

[Miesian Corners]

3 hours ago, mpretori said:

I think the purging of jobs has slowed somewhat. Hopefully things will return to normal fast. 

Yeah, I don't think so. It's now been widely reported that the biggest fallout from this is what we don't know about. How many search committees have now removed us from their lists of possible relocation sites or expansions, we'll never know. 

[Silicon Dogwoods]

34 minutes ago, Miesian Corners said:

Yeah, I don't think so. It's now been widely reported that the biggest fallout from this is what we don't know about. How many search committees have now removed us from their lists of possible relocation sites or expansions, we'll never know. 

Until a year or two pass and there are no relos or expansions.

Then, I think we'll know.

4 hours ago, HopHead said:

I'm sure they probably were... I just think they are being hypocritical. I'd expect Boston, Seattle, Portland, etc. to put in bans. Atlanta just saw this as political opportunity to say they are different, in which they really aren't. We just have one more boneheaded politician in another part of the state.

Atlanta, trying to take advantage of Charlotte's dilemma.

Da noive o' them! 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Miesian Corners said:

Yeah, I don't think so. It's now been widely reported that the biggest fallout from this is what we don't know about. How many search committees have now removed us from their lists of possible relocation sites or expansions, we'll never know. 

Honestly, what people don't realize is we are missing out on the phone calls to the chamber that we didn't necessarily know were coming. Ya nah i mean?

[Silicon Dogwoods]

4 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Honestly, what people don't realize is we are missing out on the phone calls to the chamber that we didn't necessarily know were coming. Ya nah i mean?

Yes, I do.

If there are lots of those, we'll see lower metrics for everything: salary increases, population growth, rent increases, relos and expansions. Those jobs that do come here will likely pay less and be sort of backroom-backwater jobs. 

The evidence will be very plain to see. Or not. I'd give it 12-18 months.

With any luck, this mean, nasty little law will have been struck down by then.

[urbanlover568]

2 hours ago, Miesian Corners said:

Yeah, I don't think so. It's now been widely reported that the biggest fallout from this is what we don't know about. How many search committees have now removed us from their lists of possible relocation sites or expansions, we'll never know. 

In two years they will have forgotten, I'm sure. The more we talk about it, the longer it takes for the wound to heal. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by mpretori

[HopHead]

Hey look Nikki Haley even says South Carolina doesn't need a bill that limits what bathroom transgender people can use. Pat McCrory and the NCGA keep looking dumber by the day. 

http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article70481297.html

[Silicon Dogwoods]

2 hours ago, mpretori said:

In two years they will have forgotten, I'm sure. The more we talk about it, the longer it takes for the wound to heal. 

Hoping if we don't talk about it will somehow make it vanish will not result in the desired outcome.

The NCAA boycotted South Carolina for 15 years over the Confederate flag.

[rancenc]

1 hour ago, HopHead said:

Hey look Nikki Haley even says South Carolina doesn't need a bill that limits what bathroom transgender people can use. Pat McCrory and the NCGA keep looking dumber by the day. 

http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article70481297.html

Looks like Governor Haley has "bigger ones" then NC's sorry Governor! 

[urbanlover568]

1 hour ago, Silicon Dogwoods said:

Hoping if we don't talk about it will somehow make it vanish will not result in the desired outcome.

The NCAA boycotted South Carolina for 15 years over the Confederate flag.

We can talk about it until we are blue in the face. The governor has obviously staked his election on this and education, so he wont back down until at least November. Best we can do now is try to adapt to it in the interim. I know, im gay and it stings. Let's wait until elections or Q2/Q3 results to come in. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by mpretori

[Spartan]

On April 6, 2016 at 2:06 PM, 11 HouseBZ said:

I also don't think that would be good for Mecklenburg breweries. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SC'S liquor laws even more strict than ours? There's a reason NC has WAAAY more breweries than SC. Sorry for being if topic. Yaaaay beer! 

It's definitely off topic, but I'll indulge. South Carolina has over arching blue laws laws that are fairly strict, but they leave it up to individual cities and counties to decide what's best for them in terms of when they can sell alcohol. Genrally speaking, if you are one of the larger urban areas or have a lot of tourists then you tend to have less restrictive blue laws. 

They definitely aren't as brewery-friendly as North Carolina, but my understanding is that they are more distillery-friendly, which stems from its non-centralized ABC system. There's none of this one bottle purchase per person per year in South Carolina. 

I don't completely understand what about South Carolina makes it less friendly to breweries though. All of the big cities have at least one, many of them have several plus some distilleries. 

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Surprised nobody picked this up.

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Plus it's not just Charlotte paying the price for HB2 anymore.

[kermit]

7 minutes ago, Piedmont767 said:

Surprised nobody picked this up.

PayPal's statement was before Berger and Moore's tantrum. After our elected officials insulted the firm's integrity the bridge was burned. PayPal aint coming here, no matter what happens with HB2. 

I don't want to be rooting for bad stuff to happen, but I am worried this issue is falling out of the news cycle. I really don't want this issue to just disappear and move into tacit acceptance.

EDIT: thanks for that Piedmont, perhaps my worries about the news cycle were premature.

Edited April 8, 2016 by kermit

[caterpillar2]

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 11:16 AM, kermit said:

^ Colorado was never viewed as being part of the least tolerant corner of the country (the South), so they only had to atone for contemporary sins. North Carolina had to work -very- hard for 50 years to be viewed as more open, tolerant and welcoming to all than the region which surrounded it. It was very hard work communicating to the rest of the world that we never were part of the firehose and police dog South. Unfortunately yesterday the world watched as Berger and Moore aimed a rhetorical hose at Paypal and Jennifer Roberts.  Our 50 years of image building has been completely trashed since 2010, we are once again viewed by the world (rightly or wrongly) as just another part of a region that has only superficially evolved beyond its plantation past.

It will take decades to repair the damage.  

 

On ‎4‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 11:27 PM, Silicon Dogwoods said:

you wouldn't want a company around that supports countries that oppresses gays as a normal routine.

~that's any and every company in America that does business with these countries including every oil company, every big retailer, automobile companies Ford and GM, many tech companies, many pharma companies...shall we just tell the F500 to go away? Nevertheless, your pious, earnest and warm-hearted concern for the plight of LGBT people on Planet Earth is duly noted.

but it likely wasn't because of the law.

~it was because of the law. At a minimum, this dipcrap attack on Charlotte by the country fried scum duo of Berger and Moore in the General Assembly made PayPal's decision very, very easy.

 

if isn't that retailers. automobile companies Ford and GM and may tech and pharmaceutical companies are not being hypocritical about the matter, but we are talking about PayPal specifically. They thrive in oppressive countries, so all of a sudden, they are concerned since it is Charlotte? Sounds questionable to me. It is all about money and they wouldn't back out of Charlotte unless there was a better opportunity. The fact is that in many of the countries where we have businesses, women aren't allowed to work or be around men other than their husbands. I have no problem with American companies doing business in oppressive places, I just don't like the PayPal hypocrisy

By the way, despite your sarcasm and inability to read into ones concepts and perceptions,  I have no animosity towards good people and that includes good LGBTs. I just feel that if we continue with anti-discrimination laws, the only people that are open for discrimination are white males.  And as a former employer, I have seen numerous people misusing discrimination to hide from other real inadequacies.   I see  individuals on this board, on this topic showing  intolerance towards anyone that has a differing opinion. These will likely be the ones that will only get ahead by playing the sex card.

To be honest, I don't really care about the bill but I certainly understand that there are two sides to all issues. There should have been a vote. It isn't fair to always give in to the special interest groups.  I believe that Mayor Roberts and most members of the city council are stupid and there will be many problems in the future with municipal matters.  I expect Cannon to be re-elected as mayor again and continue the trend of ineptness.

[15895]

Then you have the problem can people's rights be voted on. If people petitioned we vote on whether blacks should have protection from discrimination, should we allow that to be voted on? 

[urbanlover568]

11 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

Then you have the problem can people's rights be voted on. If people petitioned we vote on whether blacks should have protection from discrimination, should we allow that to be voted on? 

Supreme court will make their ruling and im almost certain HB2 will go the way of amendment 1. People need to chill out and let the courts handle this. 

[kermit]

If we overturn the law then the damage can start to be repaired. If we wait for the suprime court to do that work for us then the perception of NC as a bigoted backwater is likely to remain.

'Chilling out' is just going to make our self-created economic problem worse.

Edited April 8, 2016 by kermit

[RaleighHeelsfan]

I see  individuals on this board, on this topic showing  intolerance towards anyone that has a differing opinion. These will likely be the ones that will only get ahead by playing the sex card.

 

You are exactly right. I see people here claiming anyone who is old and white is racist! Of course, they will never admit it!

I heard the term "bubbas" etc...just seems like a bunch of stereotyping here to me.

[urbanlover568]

4 minutes ago, kermit said:

If we overturn the law then the damage can start to be repaired. If we wait for the suprime court to do that work for us then the perception of NC as a bigoted backwater is likely to remain.

'Chilling out' is just going to make our self-created economic problem worse.

What are you going to do? blog about it until you get tired? This is useless to spend all this energy on this. We are in a election season and pat aint backing down. Maybe wait until October or September? This is desensitizing people right now.