New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)

[L. C. Ice]

45 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

$2.1 B for a stationary translucent roof and up to 60,000 seats!?!?  Not even a retractible roof, which Indy built for half the cost?!  They' ve just described the 1964 Astrodome!  

Lucas Oil Field started construction 17 years ago.

[MLBrumby]

22 minutes ago, L. C. Ice said:

Lucas Oil Field started construction 17 years ago.

Thank you! Whatever your point is. What about the retractible roof and cheaper cost, actually it was a third of that at $720 M ($867 M in 2020 dollars) do you not understand? 

Edited October 17, 2022 by MLBrumby

[Bos2Nash]

As Webber Thomas mentioned, you don't need a retractable roof to really be competitive. The SoFi stadium roof is actually perched slightly about the stadium seating to allow for natural air flow to move through the stadium. LOTS of design innovation has been happening in recent years that take the maintenance concern of retractable roofs out of the equation. Spend those dollars elsewhere.

60,000 seats is also quite obnoxiously low. I don't even care about the Super Bowl aspect. Allegiant Stadium (Raiders) hovers around 65,000 is has already been named a host for a Super Bowl in 2024. 60,000 seats when weighed against the 760 million in revenue bonds is approximately $12,667.00 per seat. That is about 69% more than what was shelled out for the MLS stadium (±$7,500 per seat). That being said though, the experience at a sports arena is changing constantly. It may be 60,000 seats, but suites and amenities can dramatically change both experience and revenue in a stadium. 

The overall cost being as high as it is is most certainly a product of inflation rates and the high cost of construction currently. 

[FluffyP13]

Why would anyone build a non retractable roof? I am flabbergasted by this. Makes no sense in Nashville which has very mild weather - and football is best enjoyed outside IMO. I don't get this at ALL! 

[nashvylle]

6 minutes ago, FluffyP13 said:

Why would anyone build a non retractable roof? I am flabbergasted by this. Makes no sense in Nashville which has very mild weather - and football is best enjoyed outside IMO. I don't get this at ALL! 

It was stated the cost to maintain the retractable roof is really expensive. 

[Luvemtall]

As was stated, retractable roofs are costly to maintain. And not really needed to make for a great stadium, as Webber Thomas pointed out. So-Fi cost over 5 billion and it doesn’t have a retractable roof, but it’s design is awesome!  
let’s wait until the renderings are posted , before we get bent out of shape about not having a retractable. Let’s rejoice in the fact , that now that it’s known where the stadium is going to be located. The plans for the East Bank could start to move forward, with regards to a final site plan , and maybe we could see some activity soon on some long awaited projects. 

[Deangelo]

Am excited that the tennessee titans are going to build a domed stadium. I think that the domed stadiums and stadiums with retractable roofs are the best looking stadiums. So, with this staduim costing $2.1 billion I expect this stadium to have a very nice design and be one of the best looking stadium's in the nfl.

Edited October 17, 2022 by High Rise Lover

[Kv615]

What hurdles still need to be crossed to get this to finish line? Does it still need to go through metro council for approval? Is there any change this “doesn’t” happen?  Sure seems like there isn’t a lot of support for this based on my Twitter timeline…excited to see renderings!

[Rick Dalton]

11 minutes ago, Kv615 said:

What hurdles still need to be crossed to get this to finish line? Does it still need to go through metro council for approval? Is there any change this “doesn’t” happen?  Sure seems like there isn’t a lot of support for this based on my Twitter timeline…excited to see renderings!

People on Twitter (and elsewhere online) generally are negative about everything. It’s a selection effect - people that are happy and satisfied won’t say anything, so you’ll never hear that side. You’ll always hear the grievances.  

[Nashvillain]

14 minutes ago, Kv615 said:

What hurdles still need to be crossed to get this to finish line? Does it still need to go through metro council for approval? Is there any change this “doesn’t” happen?  Sure seems like there isn’t a lot of support for this based on my Twitter timeline…excited to see renderings!

My understanding is this needs council approval. The full report on the condition of the stadium and costs of upgrades from Venue Solutions Group will be made available to Metro Council on November 1. 

In 2017, Venue Solutions Group produced a report indicating that it would cost less than $300 million to complete necessary upgrades, while in the updated report, they say it will cost between 1.75 and 1.95 billion dollars. Expect members of the council to have questions about this discrepancy. 

[nashvylle]

1 minute ago, Nashvillain said:

My understanding is this needs council approval. The full report on the condition of the stadium and costs of upgrades from Venue Solutions Group will be made available to Metro Council on November 1. 

In 2017, Venue Solutions Group produced a report indicating that it would cost less than $300 million to complete necessary upgrades, while in the updated report, they say it will cost between 1.75 and 1.95 billion dollars. Expect members of the council to have questions about this discrepancy. 

That $300MM report excluded labor and fees to GCs and designers. While still a huge discrepancy, I imagine the 2017 number truly to be closer to $500MM. We are also in record inflation, which does add a lot. 

[Nashvillain]

7 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

That $300MM report excluded labor and fees to GCs and designers. While still a huge discrepancy, I imagine the 2017 number truly to be closer to $500MM. We are also in record inflation, which does add a lot. 

Still more than a billion off. I'm not advocating one way or the other, just relaying what I've read from some councilmembers' tweets in reaction to the announcement. 

[markhollin]

More coverage of today's announcement:

The Tennessean:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/davidson/2022/10/17/tennessee-titans-nashville-mayor-detail-2-1b-nissan-stadium-deal/69568486007/

NBJ:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/17/tennessee-titans-new-stadium-nfl-john-cooper-deal.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/17/titans-nfl-nissan-stadium-upgrade-estimate.html


News 2:

https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/new-tennessee-titans-stadium-proposal-design-concepts/


News Channel 5:

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/on-the-rise/titans-mayor-cooper-announce-agreement-to-build-new-2-1b-stadium-taking-taxpayers-out-of-the-bill


Channel 4 News:

https://www.wsmv.com/2022/10/17/mayor-cooper-titans-announce-details-new-stadium/


Fox 17 News:

https://fox17.com/newsletter-daily/titans-nashville-city-leaders-expected-to-announce-new-stadium-agreement-tenenssee-titans-national-football-league-nfl-nissan-stadium-east-bank-john-cooper-burke-nihill-amy-adams-strunk#

[DDIG]

RE: Retractable roof

It sounds like it can open on the sides to promote air flow with a translucent roof. I think that's more than fine, retractable roof overrated and a pain in the ass.

RE: Super Bowl

They aren't building at that capacity without the NFL confirming they have enough seats to host. The future anyway is slightly smaller stadiums with more amenities and luxury boxes.

[bnacincy]

2 hours ago, FluffyP13 said:

Why would anyone build a non retractable roof? I am flabbergasted by this. Makes no sense in Nashville which has very mild weather - and football is best enjoyed outside IMO. I don't get this at ALL! 

Agree........2 billion for a smaller stadium without a retractable roof-this I don't like....

Expand and renovate what is already there and cover the seats a la Hard Rock Stadium in Miami.........certainly that would cost less.

I would be happy with a larger version of Geodis Park.

Edited October 17, 2022 by bnacincy
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[Bolt]

Panthers moving to San Antonio 

[Sean blackdog]

Read what President/CEO of Titans said. https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/what-titans-fans-need-to-know-about-the-new-stadium-project?fbclid=IwAR31isdJGPPG2EmtiPaMODCf--EcIZYk1peGt-sKfz00Ebl9kjT2CAgtIQE

More 

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/titans-city-of-nashville-agree-to-terms-for-new-lease-new-stadium?fbclid=IwAR1zbX7lhcvuu1kw3t1Loy656HVgeVzQWDkt11q5fOtHrOSn22oEiwvHK8I

[FluffyP13]

What does he mean uniquely Nashville? squatty glass box?

[henburg]

I'm going to completely guess here and say that the Stadium will have a simplistic, more classically-inspired design to it to mirror Broadway/2nd Ave. Nihill continually emphasized "character" over extravagance and opulence as a direction for the new stadium, so I just have a hunch that we may see some brick and perhaps even some neon like what was featured in this conceptual rendering for Nissan Stadium renovations-

Granted, I want to reiterate that I know that this is just a conceptual rendering for renovations that will never happen, but I really think that this could offer some pretty solid insight into the organization's thinking with the new building as an evergreen entertainment venue that plays off of Nashville's reputation through emulating those smaller music venue touches.

3 hours ago, bnacincy said:

I would be happy with a larger version of Geodis Park.

If they emulate anything from Geodis, I would absolutely love to see them carry over the  steep seating sections that allow the upper deck seats to feel really close to the pitch. Most NFL stadiums outside of maybe Arrowhead stadium feature lower bowls that extend far back, which feels really needless after going to games at Geodis this year. 

[smeagolsfree]

The Tennessean is the only place that threw out the 60k number. The Post picked it up from them.  I think they just did some bad reporting. That number was never mentioned in the press conference.  

[subkyle]

Jared Stillman said that he was told that the new stadium would resemble US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. Stillman didn’t know anything for sure, but he is pretty well connected. Here are a couple pics for your viewing pleasure 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by subkyle

[glamdring269]

This is fantastic news. I might be more excited about the potential for activation of the river front area after the current stadium is demolished. The idea of getting some major events like a Final Four mean more to me than even the Super Bowl.

Oh and my prediction (to only myself) is finally coming to fruition: I figured at some point the seat count in stadiums would start to come down for a variety of reasons. Personally there is just something about football where I started to prefer watching at home unlike hockey where I prefer to be in the arena (Preds full STH). Probably something to do with the product itself (perfect for TV, lots of downtime, etc.) coupled with the reduced cost of massive televisions.

Edited October 18, 2022 by glamdring269

[markhollin]

In a long interview on Tennessee Titans official website, CEO Burke Nihill says:

- The stadium will be around 60,000 capacity. 

- Hopes to show early design concepts very soon.

- "In terms of the design concepts, we've been paying attention to, first of all we have rallied around this phrase: 'Win on Character'. And, what we mean by that is we see Nashville and Tennessee as a character-rich community. I think about the Ryman. It is a treasure of a venue, the character of that venue. When you build a new building, you certainly want it to have modern comfort and a modern experience, but we also want to embrace that sense of character. We are not going to compete with some of the other facilities that have been built around the NFL recently, that are very, very feature-rich and opulent. We want this building to ultimately reflect the character, the rich fabric of this community, and we feel we've landed on something that's done just that. "

- "In terms of the interior design and experience, Allegiant Stadium (in Las Vegas), is probably as close as it gets. It's a translucent roof, like Allegiant. The translucent roof lets daylight through, and it creates a really special experience within an enclosed facility. We are also picturing using quite a bit of glass on the sides to focus on letting as much daylight as possible into the building. In terms of the seating mix, Allegiant is probably the most comparable. It's an efficient design like theirs, and it focuses on the diversity of the experience like Allegiant does. There's not a bad seat in the house like Allegiant. But everything about this building will be uniquely Nashville. In terms of the exterior architecture, there's never been anything like it."

- "It will be surrounded by a beautiful neighborhood and beautiful parks, so the exterior of the building will respect that location and will use materials and features that make it a very special and uniquely Nashville building."

- If everything goes according to plan, the earliest ground would be broken is fall of 2023. and the earliest it could be completed would be fall of 2026. 2027 may be more realistic.

- In regards to hosting a Super Bowl: "We've had conversation with the NFL and other promoters and the idea of more seating being a prerequisite is old thinking. What the NFL cares about, what the other promoters care about, is the same thing the team cares about and other events care about. It's not the quantity of seating, but the quality of seating. At 60,000-capacity, the NFL would be very excited to bring its biggest events to a stadium with the characters and seating mix we are promoting, and the same holds true for other promoters as well, so there is no need to scale up. There's just not a bad seat in the house."

Full interview here:

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/what-titans-fans-need-to-know-about-the-new-stadium-project

[smeagolsfree]

Unless they have new guild lines from the NFL the stadium is not big enough to host a Super Bowl. Everything I have read is 70k seats, 3 golf courses, 35 k parking spaces around the stadium for use just to name a few.

Soldier Field is 61,500 and if the Titans go to 55K this is an embarrassment for the city and the Titans. I say let em move to hell.

 

What will a new stadium look like?

The new enclosed stadium would be around 1.7 million square feet with a capacity between 55,000 and 60,000, said Nihill. He clarified that those metrics make it big enough to host a Super Bowl and other major events.

[titanhog]

I’m not understanding the 60k number.  It would currently be the smallest in the NFL.  I hope they explain why they’re going that low.  We’re currently at nearly 70k and when we’re good, don’t we fill the seats?