Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[smeagolsfree]

Have to ask your Council person.

[markhollin]

50 Music Square West Hotel (7 stories, 124 rooms, internal garage) update.

Looking SW from Chet Atkins Place, 1/2 block west of Music Square East (16th Ave. South):

Looking SE from Music Square West (17th Ave. South) at Chet Atkins Place:

[Two_wheels]

20 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Hmm the info I see doesn’t say how much parking. Is it egregious or something?

Parking on the project is 108 spots (3 are zip car spaces) for 129 homes. There were originally more homes and they didn't reduce the parking all that much when they took away the extra two floors of height. When we had a community meeting on it we also got them to use some of the first floor parking area for flex space and retail which felt like a win. 

Here is Colby's letter to Planning Commission on that project - 

 

"Planning Commissioners,

 

Thank you for your service. I ask that you disapprove 2021SP-097-001, as its use and location do not justify additional height under the Wedgewood-Houston/Chestnut Hill Study Plan. Further, it is absurdly overparked for a parcel that qualifies for no parking minimums.

 

I am strongly opposed to this application and have told the applicant this for the better part of two years, and yet they have made no significant modifications. I will be out of town for this hearing next week, so I will not be able to attend, but please use this email as my position.

 

Thanks,

 

Colby"

[PaulChinetti]

Why in the world you not do less parking if you removed two floors (which in itself is ridiculous)!?

[Mr_Bond]

On 9/8/2022 at 7:00 AM, markhollin said:

Vanderbilt Univ. Owen Graduate School of Management expansion (5 stories, 48,000 sq. ft., internal garage) update.

Looking SW from intersection of 21st Ave. South and Grand Ave:

 

 

On October 7-8, I'll get a tour of this building while at the Owen reunion.  I'll take some pics.

[markhollin]

Saint Thomas Midtown Hospital expansion (4 stories) update: 2nd level showing above street level along Church St.

Looking NE from intersection of Church St. and 21st Ave. North:

[smeagolsfree]

17 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Why in the world you not do less parking if you removed two floors (which in itself is ridiculous)!?

Told you! I think you folks need to start maybe calling him out as you folks need more parking and not less especially now as Colby wants the AJ Cap project with not enough parking for the type of project it is. Seems to me something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Some developers he gets along really well with and others not.....I wonder why thit is?????

[PaulChinetti]

9 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Told you! I think you folks need to start maybe calling him out as you folks need more parking and not less especially now as Colby wants the AJ Cap project with not enough parking for the type of project it is. Seems to me something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Some developers he gets along really well with and others not.....I wonder why thit is?????

I don’t want more parking at all. I’d prefer less for every project. 

[smeagolsfree]

Well, with a big venue trying to come in, it's your funeral. Not enough parking for that project. 

[Nashvillain]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

Well, with a big venue trying to come in, it's your funeral. Not enough parking for that project. 

Constantly complaining about how bad WeGo is... on the other hand, advocating for MORE PARKING! 

[PaulChinetti]

3 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Well, with a big venue trying to come in, it's your funeral. Not enough parking for that project. 

Eh, people find a way. See: Geodis Park

[nashvylle]

On 9/7/2022 at 5:40 PM, PaulChinetti said:

Got this in the mail today. Trying to “sneak” a music venue in. Then the back has a Nashville post article on it, that’s live on the internet. Not very sneaky…
 

“LiveNation is trying to sneak a new 4500-seat music arena
in Wedgwood-Houston. Our community cannot support the
noise, traffic and sheer volume of people. Attend the hearing
or send email to planning.commissioners @nashville.gov”

@PaulChinettithanks for your email to planning. 
 

who is sending out flyers trying to cancel this??

[Nash_12South]

My take is that Geodis creates maybe 40+/- bad traffic/parking days per year in W-H. The speedway may create its own 20 days. Then you start allowing, what could evolve into multiple venues  being built, that create their own 20-30 parking challenging days a year. Eventually W-H has maybe only 2 or 3 nights a week when the average (street parking) home owner can park their car with no problems. I think they may be thinking of what precedent this might set for future developers.. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Nash_12South

[UrbanWes03]

I found this preliminary rendering for the 1301 Herman St project near Marathon Village.

This was the only one posted in the documents I found so I'm sure more will surface later.

And I wasn't sure which thread to put this in but since it is outside of the downtown loop, I assumed it went here lol. If it doesn't though, feel free to move it!

Edited September 10, 2022 by UrbanWes03

[MLBrumby]

Wow!! I guess that's the mark of a big city.... now there's projects on streets I've never even heard of.  I like that name... Herman Street.  I want to retire on Herman Street.  Why don't people name their children Herman anymore?

Edited September 10, 2022 by MLBrumby

[BnaBreaker]

2 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

Wow!! I guess that's the mark of a big city.... now there's projects on streets I've never even heard of.  I like that name... Herman Street.  I want to retire on Herman Street.  Why don't people name their children Herman anymore?

Did people ever name their children Herman aside from The Munsters?  

[smeagolsfree]

6 hours ago, nashvylle said:

@PaulChinettithanks for your email to planning. 
 

who is sending out flyers trying to cancel this??

You guys can’t have your cake and eat it too with regards to parking. Nashville does not have a viable mass transit system and likely will not for at least another ten years best case scenario. With all of the housing you are getting there, plus retail, plus a venue or two you are going to have a lot of folks that do not live in the neighborhood visiting. I am not going to be one of them if there is no parking. Where I live I do not have a choice to Uber in. Uber does not know my neighborhood exist and there are aa lot of folks that travel into Nashville that ride sharing services is not an option.

Same goes for the Fairgrounds venues not to say there is anything I would go to do there. I am not a race fan, soccer fan, nor a flea market attendee, but I realize Nashville needs those things. Parking was not planned out there either. It is a mess and I knew it would be. WeHo is about to be a mess. Wait till all those apartments are built out and everything hat is planned is finished and then think about what is saiid here. It will be like Germantown during the evening. You can barely drive the two way streets there now because of all of the parked cars on the side streets and they are building more. 

The plan about making parking optional for developments is going to be a risky one if it is passed, because if a developer does not have to build parking he is going to save a ton of money. It is also a double edge sword if they need parking to entice tenants or residents.

If Nashville does not have a mass transit system that works (buses in this city are not) then we are going to be in bigger trouble.

Sorry Paul, most of the time we agree, but this time it’s your neighborhood so you get to build your own mess and live in it. The form and function of WeHo streets are a mess and throw in a train at the wrong time with a big fairgrounds function and a function at the new venue and you have spilt martinis everywhere.

I like the new venue but I see their concern. It’s also the same people that complain about the race track I will wager.

[titanhog]

I pretty much believe in “whatever the consumer needs”…give that to them.  I realize some people want to push consumers in a certain direction sometimes…and hey, if that works for you…more power to you.

[markhollin]

Chabat House (3 stories, 13,066 sq. ft.) update: steel up to 3rd level.

Looking SW from 23rd Ave. North, 1/3 block south of Elliston Place:

[markhollin]

445 Park Commons/Block C of Fairgrounds development (6 stories, 328 units, ground level retail, internal garage) update: crane up; pillars rising above grade; 2nd level starting on south end.

Looking SE from intersection of Benton Ave. and Rains Ave:

[Nashvillain]

13 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

You guys can’t have your cake and eat it too with regards to parking. Nashville does not have a viable mass transit system and likely will not for at least another ten years best case scenario. With all of the housing you are getting there, plus retail, plus a venue or two you are going to have a lot of folks that do not live in the neighborhood visiting. I am not going to be one of them if there is no parking. Where I live I do not have a choice to Uber in. Uber does not know my neighborhood exist and there are aa lot of folks that travel into Nashville that ride sharing services is not an option.

Same goes for the Fairgrounds venues not to say there is anything I would go to do there. I am not a race fan, soccer fan, nor a flea market attendee, but I realize Nashville needs those things. Parking was not planned out there either. It is a mess and I knew it would be. WeHo is about to be a mess. Wait till all those apartments are built out and everything hat is planned is finished and then think about what is saiid here. It will be like Germantown during the evening. You can barely drive the two way streets there now because of all of the parked cars on the side streets and they are building more. 

The plan about making parking optional for developments is going to be a risky one if it is passed, because if a developer does not have to build parking he is going to save a ton of money. It is also a double edge sword if they need parking to entice tenants or residents.

If Nashville does not have a mass transit system that works (buses in this city are not) then we are going to be in bigger trouble.

Sorry Paul, most of the time we agree, but this time it’s your neighborhood so you get to build your own mess and live in it. The form and function of WeHo streets are a mess and throw in a train at the wrong time with a big fairgrounds function and a function at the new venue and you have spilt martinis everywhere.

I like the new venue but I see their concern. It’s also the same people that complain about the race track I will wager.

Your example of Germantown is revealing because every new project there has parking, and yet the streets, sidewalks, bike lanes, greenways, and every available nook and cranny is jammed with parked cars during peak hours. This should tell us something (a couple things it tells us is that people don't like parking in garages. Don't like walking more than a block to their destination. There's a glut of underutilized garage parking. Traffic in urban neighborhoods is people driving around looking for a space close to their destination).

There needs to be a shift in how we build our cities to shift people into alternative modes of getting around. Doing the same thing we've been doing for the past 70 years will result in the same outcome. Mass transit won't be viable if there's no reason to take it because your car is parked in the garage attached to your building (or the garage attached to your house in the burbs) and your destination has easy parking in the lot or garage attached to it. 

Furthermore, it's hard to get the densities where mass transit becomes truly viable and sustaining when so much land use is given over to car storage. Show me an example of effective mass transit in an American city where parking is abundant. 

[Nashvillain]

8 minutes ago, Nashvillain said:

Your example of Germantown is revealing because every new project there has parking, and yet the streets, sidewalks, bike lanes, greenways, and every available nook and cranny is jammed with parked cars during peak hours. This should tell us something (a couple things it tells us is that people don't like parking in garages. Don't like walking more than a block to their destination. There's a glut of underutilized garage parking. Traffic in urban neighborhoods is people driving around looking for a space close to their destination).

There needs to be a shift in how we build our cities to shift people into alternative modes of getting around. Doing the same thing we've been doing for the past 70 years will result in the same outcome. Mass transit won't be viable if there's no reason to take it because your car is parked in the garage attached to your building (or the garage attached to your house in the burbs) and your destination has easy parking in the lot or garage attached to it. 

Furthermore, it's hard to get the densities where mass transit becomes truly viable and sustaining when so much land use is given over to car storage. Show me an example of effective mass transit in an American city where parking is abundant. 

And no offense to you Smeagolsfree, but your decision not to drive into town to catch a show at the venue without parking is exactly the kind of change in decision making and behavior that minimum or maximum parking policies are meant to induce. 

[smeagolsfree]

3 hours ago, Nashvillain said:

And no offense to you Smeagolsfree, but your decision not to drive into town to catch a show at the venue without parking is exactly the kind of change in decision making and behavior that minimum or maximum parking policies are meant to induce. 

If there were mass transit, I would be more inclined. Even NYC has public garages and a parking authority. Something that seems to be beyond the scope of thinking for the folks in Metro Govt.

They even realize there that there is a need for public garages in neighborhoods in large cities. Here it is just being ignored like we have no problem. The fact that people park on the streets in Germantown may be due to the fact that many people do not know if those garages are available to the public. I don't know if they are or not.  Do you?

That is another problem with Metro as there are no signs to point to public garage parking if there is any available. So don't throw all the blame on the drivers. It falls squarely on the incomitance of Metro for not keeping up with the growing neighborhoods and managing what they have. The new NDOT is probably going to be a waste of money if is no better managed than the rest of the Metro departments. 

If you want folks to come to Nashville and work and play and you use parking as a deterrent, then Nashville will on the fast spiral downward without a means to move people around. Many people come from outside Nashville to the Titans, Preds, Sounds, and all of the other venues. If you start cutting the amount of parking because of local residents or visitors, then the folks in the outer part of the county will eventually take issue with the mayor who ever that is. The mayor cannot be the mayor of downtown only and I hope Freddie knows this in his run. Same goes for some of these others running for at large seats. When things get bad for folks living in downtown and I think a number of folks are starting to get pissed off now, a certain number of folks are going to start hearing from them.

All of you know this is the truth and stop hiding behind parking as an issue. This has been broken for a long time and not giving the developers a bigger out is going to make things worse when there is no other option. This is the south and the ring counties rely on their cars. This is not Chicago, LA, Seattle, NYC, or any other large city with built in mass transit. The rate at which we are building low-rise & high-rise developments in the core of Davidson County is going to catch up to us. I am all for the growth, but our local leaders have their heads firmly planted 10 feet below ground including the state leadership. 

I know what gridlock looks like. I saw it firsthand in Austin when I was there in 2015 on I 35.  They are building their mass transit. The traffic is about to come to a grinding halt here at some point. Not all of these people moving into these buildings are going to be carless. We do not know the impact of COVID on the office environment yet. That could change a lot of things.

Mayor Cooper relying on bikes and greenways is simply idiotic! Not going to happen in the best laid out city much less Nashville.

[markhollin]

The Gilmore (4 stories, 99 condos, ground level retail, underground garage). update: new contractor has fresh fencing up, equipment on site.

Looking SE from intersection of 12th Ave. South and Gilmore Ave:

Looking south from Gilmore Ave., 1/4 block east of 12th Ave. South:

[PaulChinetti]

On 9/10/2022 at 1:15 PM, nashvylle said:

@PaulChinettithanks for your email to planning. 
 

who is sending out flyers trying to cancel this??

I don’t know. There was no name that I saw on it anywhere.