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When the rumours started flying about Trump's interest in Charlotte, lots of UP posters voiced concerns that Trump's projects in other cities were gaudy and tacky.

The two designs for Trump Toronto are both wonderful (I particularly admire the first design) Let's all hope that he builds something Uptown for the ages, and not a flat roofed behemouth.

Uptown Charlotte was LUCKY enough to dodge the bullet known as First Union 4. Imagine having to look at such an ugly monstrosity everytime you go to work and every time Charlotte is shown in magazines, film, postcards etc. (Was it supposed to be a giant feather????????)

Charlotte dodged a huge bullet on that one. Surely Trump wouldn't build anything as fuggly as FU 4!!!!

lately trump stuff has been looking good - toronto, chicago, and new orleans - atlanta isnt bad either. i think he might be over the big black box architecture

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I'd be like Ant Man and pee my pants if I was these guys:   

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Long-time lurker (as in probably a decade plus), first-time poster.  Two pics of Tryon Place - construction on the tower itself and the JW Marriott site.   

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So here's a new view of Uptown  from Ally....  pretty cool!

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This goes away from Charlotte a little, but still pertains to Trump. I was looking through Trump Online and I found this image under future projects in Dubai:

trump-hotel-render.jpg

I am growing more and more fond of his newer buildings. He appears to be realizing that skyscraper real estate has become more than just square footage.

Striking design. This works well for Dubai but obviously would be hideous here. I think Trump is actually doing a better job of fitting his architecture to the setting. The Toronto designs are nothing like this, but fit that city well..as does New Orleans. I think if this thing comes to fruition, (and they were still taking soil samples today) we'll get a very nice and distinctive (iconic, if lucky) building that'll FIT. It'll probably still be too outre for some here, but remember, when the Westin rendering was released, there were some gasps of disapproval from city council...I think the the term "Buck Rogers" was used.

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^ I don't think it would be hideous here. Why do you think so? I think it is a magnificent piece of architecture that would blend well if it was built in Charlotte. It kind of reminds me of Frost Tower in Austin, which I could definitely see in Charlotte. Charlotte already has some glassy buildings, and I think a structure like this would only add to our diversity of towers.

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tunedmassdamper Unincorporated Area

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What does that mean? I hate to be pessimistic, but Trump may just be testing to see how complicated this plot of land would be SHOULD he choose it. So is 16 feet good or bad?

Sorry so late getting back - here is my reply...

If they are planning on substantial underground parking for TWO towers, then it is not really GOOD or BAD, but it is expensive. Hauling dirt away is cheaper than blasting and excavating bedrock. I would venture to guess that all of the due dililgence being gathered by Infinity Partners will be assembled and summarized in order for TRUMP to analyze and make decisions like incorporating ABOVE OR BELOW grade parking into the site plan.

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Did I imagine it, or did a previous post say Trump's people were meeting with the city tonight?

If it indeed was true, may be postponed due to the officers' Calvary services.

Anyone else see this, or was I duped?

Yes that was in the Observer or CBJ...one of those that said there was going to be a "special meeting" that could possibly be on the Trump Tower... but I think thats another case of sloppy journalism.

There is indeed a "special meeting" tonight of the City Council's Housing and Neighborhood Development Cmte. They will be having a public hearing on boarded up structures. Obviously (hopefully) the Trump Tower will not be a boarded up structure so it won't be covered in tonight's meeting.

If there was to be some discussion of the Trump Tower it would come before the City Council's Economic Development Cmte...so keep your eye on their schedule and agendas.

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^ I don't think it would be hideous here. Why do you think so? I think it is a magnificent piece of architecture that would blend well if it was built in Charlotte. It kind of reminds me of Frost Tower in Austin, which I could definitely see in Charlotte. Charlotte already has some glassy buildings, and I think a structure like this would only add to our diversity of towers.

With due respect to your opinion, I also think that tower would be out of place here. It's obviously designed to acknowledge Arabic aesthetic traditions and nod toward other existing towers in Dubai. In Charlotte, it would certainly be "different", but not in a good way (much like FU4).

Part of an architect's job is to design structures that have context and meaning for their surroundings. A phenomenal design in Dubai can be meaningless in Charlotte, and vice versa. I hope that any supertalls are designed with local architectural precedent and culture in mind, in addition to the obvious goal of "making a statement" on the skyline.

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In a way, I have to agree. While I really like that building and how it looks, I'm not so sure how well it would work with other buildings in our skyline. That said, just as metro said, I'm not entirely opposed to that style of architecture in our city. I think something out of place would be good to bring some sort of nonmonotonic form to our skyline. Right now we have box after box. Wachovia is bringing the idea of angles into our skyline and while IJL and Avenue do a good job of having curved architecture, they still stand out as primarily square from most angles. While this may be good to keep our skyline uniform and clean, it doesn't give our skyline much pizazz.

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Part of an architect's job is to design structures that have context and meaning for their surroundings.

The architects only job is to design a building that meets the requirements of the owners. They may or may not want a building that does this. Likewise thinking such as what you just put forth would have doomed many modern structures in London, Paris and other places and I am glad it didn't happen. In the same token, I don't think Charlotte is so parochial that it can't have similar variety in it's buildings.

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The architects only job is to design a building that meets the requirements of the owners. They may or may not want a building that does this. Likewise thinking such as what you just put forth would have doomed many modern structures in London, Paris and other places and I am glad it didn't happen. In the same token, I don't think Charlotte is so parochial that it can't have similar variety in it's buildings.

Likewise, a lack of attention to context has given us some of the most god-awful, disruptive structures in the world (many international-style towers in NYC, Guys Tower in London, etc.). Of course an innovative, "different" design can be fabulously successful, but only if it enhances its surroundings -- and in order to do that it must be designed with context in mind. I'm not advocating retrogressive architecture by any means, but any architect worth his salt ought to at least demonstrate an understanding of the traditions in which he's operating; even if it means intentionally moving away from those traditions.

And you're right that technically it's not the architect, but the owner, who is in charge of final decisions. Personally I'd prefer that developers who are using our city strictly as a one-time moneymaking venture, and are not interested in contributing to the last century of progress here, stay out of town -- even if that means missing out on a Trump tower.

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I agree, Justadude, context is very important in making a high rise pleasing to the eye, and I think Trump has done that thus far, and let me know if you disagree.

I think I am one of the only people on here that likes the Manhattan high rise. Sure it's a big box, but that is the whole point. It was done in the International Style which is the vast majority of buildings surrounding his tower. Could you picture his Dubai project in that spot? Here are a couple good photos on Emporis -

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His Vegas project works similarly with the resorts/casinos that dot the city. The gold glass is a consistant style you can see along The Strip. Trump Vegas

And while his Miami project is nothing spectacular it certainly fits the oceanfront condo/hotel motif that you find in many beach vacation spots across the globe. I could go on with his New Orleans project, Chicago project, Waikiki project, etc. but I think you get where I am going with all of this. Again, I really have no worries about Trump building in Charlotte - bring it on!

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A follow up article was in the CBJ print editions, with an interview with a principal at Infinity Partners. Nothing earth-shattering.

1. They were considering a site on N. Tryon, but felt the Goodyear site was a better fit. I assume they are referring to the Rennaisance apt site.

2. They wouldn't comment on height, but say that it will be a top caliber product.

3. More info will be released to the public in 60-90 days.

4. At least some of the land is under contract.

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A follow up article was in the CBJ print editions, with an interview with a principal at Infinity Partners. Nothing earth-shattering.

1. They were considering a site on N. Tryon, but felt the Goodyear site was a better fit. I assume they are referring to the Rennaisance apt site.

2. They wouldn't comment on height, but say that it will be a top caliber product.

3. More info will be released to the public in 60-90 days.

4. At least some of the land is under contract.

All good info. This seems to be more varification that this is real (I've read in other places some doubters). Thanks for posting.

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Well after reading the CBJ article, im convinced this is a done deal.

They state that they have the site under contract, which is a positive, and NVQ has mentioned it was also under contract a while back,

I think it will be the tallest building in NC. After looking through a lot of trump developments, a lot of them are the tallest, like his NJ towers, New Orleans project, etc. I think they take pride in have the tallest building in a city or state.

They also give a timeline of releasing info. 60-90 days. Man this is going to be a harder wait then waiting for the wachovia renderings.

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I think this is a case of having most of it under contract, making it a done deal, but that they still have a portion they are vying for. I think we can pretty much expect that if all goes forward with this that they will definitely try to pass up BofA Corporate Center.

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