301 College Street High-rise mixed use development

[apaladin]

1 hour ago, motonenterprises said:

You are comparing a city that has a metro population that is more than the state of South Carolina's total population to Greenville. How does this make any sense? 

Money is money. Size doesn’t matter in this case. Developers in Atlanta have resources or whatever you want to call it to get things done. Developers in Greenville have to wait for a certain interest rate, or whatever to get started. Excuse after excuse. If the developers don’t have the means to get going why not wait until they have the resources to get going instead of announcing and then putting a project on hold forever hoping for the right conditions which may never come. 

[gman]

28 minutes ago, apaladin said:

Money is money. Size doesn’t matter in this case. Developers in Atlanta have resources or whatever you want to call it to get things done. Developers in Greenville have to wait for a certain interest rate, or whatever to get started. Excuse after excuse. If the developers don’t have the means to get going why not wait until they have the resources to get going instead of announcing and then putting a project on hold forever hoping for the right conditions which may never come. 

Stop it with the drama and negativity. Have you even bothered to see what developers have accomplished in the last 5 years in Greenville? We are booming with developments. Wow don't give a hoot about Atlanta, Charlotte and any other city. Those of us that love this area are thrilled with what our city leaders and developers have done to make us the envy of the nation. My goodness, why do you think so many folks are moving here? It is certainly not because nothing is getting done. 

[gman430]

37 minutes ago, gman said:

Stop it with the drama and negativity. Have you even bothered to see what developers have accomplished in the last 5 years in Greenville? We are booming with developments. Wow don't give a hoot about Atlanta, Charlotte and any other city. Those of us that love this area are thrilled with what our city leaders and developers have done to make us the envy of the nation. My goodness, why do you think so many folks are moving here? It is certainly not because nothing is getting done. 

Yeah. Booming with stalled developments with chain link fences up everywhere unless you count the new sprawling subdivisions that hurt quality of life. LOL. The gateway site has only been empty for 25 years. What’s another 25 anyways? Who’s even counting anymore right? Great first impression for the visitors. 

Edited January 22 by gman430

[GvilleSC]

It's a shame if someone actually comes on this forum and reads it looking for actual information about Greenville. They're going to be hit in the face with delusion and false information about a regressing city. Hopefully they're intelligent enough to look elsewhere for legitimate facts.

[gman430]

25 minutes ago, GvilleSC said:

It's a shame if someone actually comes on this forum and reads it looking for actual information about Greenville. They're going to be hit in the face with delusion and false information about a regressing city. Hopefully they're intelligent enough to look elsewhere for legitimate facts.

I had to get my negative Nancy in at least once today. I can’t let @apaladin have all of the fun. 

Even with that, I am still not happy the city doesn’t do more to clean up some of these sites until they get built on. 

Edited January 22 by gman430

[motonenterprises]

4 hours ago, apaladin said:

Money is money. Size doesn’t matter in this case. Developers in Atlanta have resources or whatever you want to call it to get things done. Developers in Greenville have to wait for a certain interest rate, or whatever to get started. Excuse after excuse. If the developers don’t have the means to get going why not wait until they have the resources to get going instead of announcing and then putting a project on hold forever hoping for the right conditions which may never come. 

Size and population definitely does matter, economics 101. There is a reason we don't have stuff that Atlanta has. It's much bigger! More people equals more money, and more developers with developments. It absolutely does. And they have to be able to sell or fill whatever they're building. You must be kidding.

Edited January 22 by motonenterprises

[btoy]

Aspects of the development project mean the public find out about projects way earlier in the process than developers would like.  A ton of work is required before you know if a project makes sense to move forward with it.  But often that point is later than the public hearings required to get to that point.  It is perfectly normal that a high percentage of projects do not pan out.   There are many more that don't that you do not hear about.  Cities like Atlanta also have loads of projects that don't pan out, they are just a bigger city so the volume of the projects that do come to fruition is greater. 

[gman430]

Looks like the Federal Reserve will start lowering interest rates in March especially with today’s inflation report: 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/01/26/pce-inflation-december-2023-.html

[NewlyUpstate]

Yesterday we learned the economy is growing faster than expected and today we learned that inflation is slowing quicker than expected. It's a disaster out there! Thanks Joe!

[gman]

2 minutes ago, NewlyUpstate said:

Yesterday we learned the economy is growing faster than expected and today we learned that inflation is slowing quicker than expected. It's a disaster out there! Thanks Joe!

Even Larry Kudlow admits the economy is good. https://news.yahoo.com/whoa-trumps-top-economic-adviser-112641644.html

[gman430]

14 minutes ago, NewlyUpstate said:

Yesterday we learned the economy is growing faster than expected and today we learned that inflation is slowing quicker than expected. It's a disaster out there! Thanks Joe!

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/26/the-economy-isnt-sick-right-now-but-americans-still-feel-like-it-is.html

[apaladin]

Excatly, its good for people with money but not for the everyday working class. 

[gman430]

And yet we have stalled projects all over the place. Makes no sense: 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/falling-inflation-rising-growth-u-182924856.html

[gman]

3 hours ago, gman430 said:

And yet we have stalled projects all over the place. Makes no sense: 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/falling-inflation-rising-growth-u-182924856.html

Google "stalled projects" in Charlotte, Atlanta, Raleigh and any other city that you want to compare Greenville to. It is happening in every growing city in the country. Just one of many examples. https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2024/01/05/delayed-real-estate-projects-raleigh-durham

Edited January 29 by gman

[gman430]

You can forget about interest rates being cut in March. Earliest now could be May: 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/31/fed-chief-jerome-powell-says-a-march-rate-cut-is-not-likely.html

[gman430]

Canvas Academy, a 19-story mixed-use residential building, will soon see exciting developments. The Beach Co.’s development manager, Tim Cotter, said the tower is currently in the entitlement process.

Cotter said the Charleston-based development company hopes to obtain permits before the end of the first quarter of 2024. With that timeline in mind, construction may begin by the end of summer or early third quarter of the year.

Edited February 2 by gman430

[gman430]

The Beach Company builds what they promise: 

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/downtown-charleston-sc-townhomes-apartments-luxury/article_cea4934a-d7f0-11ee-8c9a-7bbdbfcca62f.html

[vicupstate]

3 hours ago, gman430 said:

The Beach Company builds what they promise: 

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/downtown-charleston-sc-townhomes-apartments-luxury/article_cea4934a-d7f0-11ee-8c9a-7bbdbfcca62f.html

Where are the roof decks???  

[gman430]

1 hour ago, vicupstate said:

Where are the roof decks???  

Probably got rejected by the BAR knowing Charleston.

[apaladin]

On 3/2/2024 at 1:30 PM, gman430 said:

The Beach Company builds what they promise: 

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/downtown-charleston-sc-townhomes-apartments-luxury/article_cea4934a-d7f0-11ee-8c9a-7bbdbfcca62f.html

In Charleston maybe but not Greenville, promises, promises. delays, delays, like I said when they put up the chainlink fence. It will be rusty before anything happens. 

Edited March 7 by apaladin

[gman430]

Welcome back.  

Sounds like it is still alive to me: https://www.instagram.com/p/C36KlibReg1/

Would be silly for them to go through all of that trouble getting permits approved by the city not to build it. 

[GVLer]

4 hours ago, gman430 said:

Welcome back.  

Sounds like it is still alive to me: https://www.instagram.com/p/C36KlibReg1/

Would be silly for them to go through all of that trouble getting permits approved by the city not to build it. 

The existing Canvas building looks SOOO out of place connected to that nice big new tower. 

[distortedlogic]

1 minute ago, GVLer said:

The existing Canvas building looks SOOO out of place connected to that nice big new tower. 

The Canvas Tower will hardly even be noticeable unless you are coming in on 183. I wonder how it would look if the new building were rotated 180 degrees with the multilayer side facing Academy... that might be a better way to orient this building.

[GvilleSC]

22 minutes ago, GVLer said:

The existing Canvas building looks SOOO out of place connected to that nice big new tower. 

You're not the only poster to have said this, but I don't understand the idea at all. "Out of place" meaning what exactly? Both buildings will add to the fabric of our urban core. I don't want every single building to look the same. Maybe I'm in the minority. 

[GVLer]

15 minutes ago, GvilleSC said:

You're not the only poster to have said this, but I don't understand the idea at all. "Out of place" meaning what exactly? Both buildings will add to the fabric of our urban core. I don't want every single building to look the same. Maybe I'm in the minority. 

I agree with that broadly and I certainly don't want the charming older buildings downtown razed for all modern structures. However, this building is not charming (aka hideous architecture)  it is simply older. And juxtposed by connection with nicer architecture makes that even more stark. Look I get it, it is not my money and they are trying to repurpose that Canvas tower for obvious reasons. But that does not change the lipstick on the pig.