133 KVB (two 49 story towers of 574’ & 512’ featuring condos, apartments, hotel, ground level retail, public park & 8 levels of parking)

[Bos2Nash]

Not too shabby. I find it very unfortunate though that the development essentially turns its back on 2nd Ave. I think the designs of the Congress Group and Centrum projects do a better job breaking up the site to allow for people to traverse the site rather than just one side of it. Centrum's and Congress groups project will bring activity to 2nd Ave that will inherently slow down traffic, this proposal essentially allows it to speed back up because there really isn't any activity. 

Existing pedestrian flow

Proposed Pedestrian flow

I would prefer they find a way to connect

I worry we will get another Four Seasons, blank wall along 2nd avenue. Only this time there are three vehicular entrances on a slope.

[Rick Dalton]

Great stuff. Let’s see some shovels.

[MLBrumby]

27 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Not too shabby. I find it very unfortunate though that the development essentially turns its back on 2nd Ave. I think the designs of the Congress Group and Centrum projects do a better job breaking up the site to allow for people to traverse the site rather than just one side of it. Centrum's and Congress groups project will bring activity to 2nd Ave that will inherently slow down traffic, this proposal essentially allows it to speed back up because there really isn't any activity. 

Existing pedestrian flow

Proposed Pedestrian flow

I would prefer they find a way to connect

I worry we will get another Four Seasons, blank wall along 2nd avenue. Only this time there are three vehicular entrances on a slope.

I love this! I hope there's lots of commercial activation along 2nd (and KVB & Peabody). When I saw the public park in the site renderings, I had forgotten how much park space will go in the adjacent developments. And then it should continue all through Sobro.  I doubt the City Lights people appreciate that things could be a lot worse with what's presently allowed by zoning. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by MLBrumby

[Argo]

If this actually gets started, wonder if the people behind 800 Lea no longer feel the need for the Ritz Carlton to begin in order to get started.

[MontanaGuy]

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

If this actually gets started, wonder if the people behind 800 Lea no longer feel the need for the Ritz Carlton to begin in order to get started.

Yeah, good point!  It might shake things up a bit! 

[Native]

This is very cool.  I especially like the address honoring Korean War veterans.

[nashvillain_too]

1 hour ago, Bos2Nash said:

Not too shabby. I find it very unfortunate though that the development essentially turns its back on 2nd Ave. I think the designs of the Congress Group and Centrum projects do a better job breaking up the site to allow for people to traverse the site rather than just one side of it. Centrum's and Congress groups project will bring activity to 2nd Ave that will inherently slow down traffic, this proposal essentially allows it to speed back up because there really isn't any activity. 

I worry we will get another Four Seasons, blank wall along 2nd avenue. Only this time there are three vehicular entrances on a slope
 

3 garage entrances/curb cuts on one block isn't great. I guess developers have decided that 2nd ave is a car sewer but the 3 lanes of high speed commuter traffic kind of backs that up

[Argo]

What's the over/under of a City Lights loons lawsuit against these guys. And when is their appeal against the other two projects scheduled to occur.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Argo

[Luvemtall]

Is the parking lot in front of the Hyatt Centric still owned by Hanes? Whoever it is , it’s time to show their hand. 

[downtownresident]

36 minutes ago, Argo said:

What's the over/under of a City Lights loons lawsuit against these guys. And when is their appeal against the other two projects scheduled to occur.

They’d have no recourse here, this parcel can go unlimited floors with bonus height. 
 

The developers of 2nd/Peabody and Centrum recently were granted an expedited appeal. I am not a lawyer, but if I read the document correctly, oral argument is scheduled for early September. 

[Baronakim]

They should buy all of City Lights, use a wrecking ball on it and build a 40 story tower like it should have been in the first place!

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

3 hours ago, Argo said:

If this actually gets started, wonder if the people behind 800 Lea no longer feel the need for the Ritz Carlton to begin in order to get started.

Yeah, I say Giarratana should start the construction process with 800 Lea. 

The development team behind the Ritz cannot get it off the ground, seemingly, so I think they should withdraw and let an experienced development team actually get the Ritz Carlton built. Enough stalling and waiting and struggling for financing, ya know? 

And the 800 Lea team should go full steam ahead! That is SUCH a cool designed skyscraper.

[henburg]

Is there any reason that a large amount of public green spaces are being emphasized for the large tower developments in this area? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just notice that this project, the Park Place development, and the Cumulus Radio site project all feature more or less the same basic layout with large areas of green space surrounding taller skyscrapers. There's not some kind of design overlay dictating that is there?

[FrankNash]

^^^My thought is that developers are trying to make this area of the city a more relaxing place to live.  A Vancouver BC model.  Upscale and geared for local residents.  

[UTgrad09]

2 hours ago, henburg said:

Is there any reason that a large amount of public green spaces are being emphasized for the large tower developments in this area? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just notice that this project, the Park Place development, and the Cumulus Radio site project all feature more or less the same basic layout with large areas of green space surrounding taller skyscrapers. There's not some kind of design overlay dictating that is there?

Probably because it is unlikely that there will be a public park built in that area (unless the land is donated). It probably also earns them some points in their quest for bonus height, since it is a benefit to the surrounding neighborhood.

[rolly]

I wonder what's the considerations for 49 floors vs the much cooler sounding 50 floors.  Are they already totally maxed out, or is it some other marketing or social reason?

[smeagolsfree]

9 hours ago, henburg said:

Is there any reason that a large amount of public green spaces are being emphasized for the large tower developments in this area? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just notice that this project, the Park Place development, and the Cumulus Radio site project all feature more or less the same basic layout with large areas of green space surrounding taller skyscrapers. There's not some kind of design overlay dictating that is there?

Bonus height!!! You will be seeing more of this too especially if the new DTC bonus height plan takes away the parking bonus. This is the new trend in High-Rise development based on old ideas that have never really gone away emphasizing the human element in the development of the process. Public space is going to be incorporated more and more into these developments. Go back and take a look at Rockefeller Center when it was built in the 1930's and all of the public space it had. This is nothing new.

[nashville born]

Wow.  Had high hopes when the news broke that TS was after this lot.  Then, when rumors/rumblings started about it being two towers, my hopes dimmed a bit in terms of height.  Holy cow!  Two 49 story towers blows me away!  Merry Christmas to me!!!!

So funny that yesterday I read Mark's summary about perception vs reality with 2023 announcements.  Well, we can immediately add to the top end of that list!

[Bos2Nash]

13 hours ago, henburg said:

Is there any reason that a large amount of public green spaces are being emphasized for the large tower developments in this area? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just notice that this project, the Park Place development, and the Cumulus Radio site project all feature more or less the same basic layout with large areas of green space surrounding taller skyscrapers. There's not some kind of design overlay dictating that is there?

As others have said Bonus Height will play a large factor in this, but additionally projects are beginning to understand that open space like these green open space actually help attract people and tenants more than just flat to the sidewalk buildings. Everything has its place of course, but giving building occupants and passerbys a place to sit and relax outside of the building (essentially non-revenue generating space in a way) actually helps drive revenue. These spaces also are almost a necessity for mixed-use tenants to be able to actually succeed. We see so many commercial slots sit empty because the space outside to the slot is so undesirable. A perfect example is the corner commercial slot in the Eastside Heights building. That corner finally got a tenant and they lasted all of three months.

[smeagolsfree]

Hopefully we will see more example of tastefully done public art done as well playing off of the local history of Nashville and those that founded the city. There is much that can be done with interactive art. I suggest that if you have never done so to go to the Architectural Digest YouTube site and watch the plethora of videos there. You can get a real education and appreciation of how things have transpired over the last couple of hundred years in this country in relation to architecture.

[Rick Dalton]

Is Hastings the official architect? 

[smeagolsfree]

13 minutes ago, natethegreat said:

Is Hastings the official architect? 

As far as we know they are.

[Rick Dalton]

43 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

As far as we know they are.

Got it. A little surprising, I would’ve thought TS would bring someone they’ve worked with before 

[nashville born]

11 minutes ago, natethegreat said:

Got it. A little surprising, I would’ve thought TS would bring someone they’ve worked with before 

Might be a "use local talent" scenario to help ingratiate yourself as you enter a new market.

[MLBrumby]

But those are not actual architectural renderings, right? Would different arch firms be hired to do different components, such as massing diagrams?