Mixed Use Spirit Square and Main Library Redevelopment

[RANYC]

3 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Yes and the head of Inlivian has said so much.  It is a terrible public policy to destroy this building and no the decision is all on the city council for allowing this. 

and by the way, I get that Lincoln Harris doesn't want to share renderings or a site plan.  But Inlivian gets funding back-stopped by taxpayers, and can barely be bothered to show detailed plans and renderings?  

[JRCLT]

The fact that it is mid rise astounds me… not even a podium tower on top of these mid rises? (Set back of course - Makes for a better look). That’s some lack of foresight.

Will there still be a high rise residential tower at the other corner of this block? (I think this one is by another developer no?)

[Reverie39]

The only 6 story buildings in a city center of a major city should be historic buildings. 

[atlrvr]

Yes, still another high-rise (luxury apartments) at the other corner by Mill Creek (I believe that is still the plan at least, haven't heard anything in a few months)

[Hushpuppy321]

I know this under-use of the block really sucks, but does this construction at least Herald in the beginning transformation of the N. Tryon Corridor?

[Richhamleigh, DC]

6 hours ago, RANYC said:

Is there anything else at play here?  

I recall reading that the city will soon rename Barringer Drive to Revolution Park Drive - Osmond Barringer being the eponym.

I also know that Hall House was once known as Barringer Hotel.  

Is the rush to demolition the latest whitewashing?

"Whitewashing"  Great term to describe what's happening.  It's disturbingly Stalinist.

Edited May 31, 2022 by Phillydog

[Matthew.Brendan]

Tear down a historic brick high rise and replace it with an imitation stick built miniature version. So astoundingly tone deaf. Bravo, Charlotte.

[CltFlyer]

I want to preface this by saying replacing the Hall House with this is a tragedy, but I do want to play Devil's advocate.

It is well established that uptown has an impressive skyline, but feels somewhat empty at ground level.  

It has been said that uptown could use more mid rise buildings to help fill in gaps on the surface, and keeping that in mind.  These could help the ground level atmosphere of Uptown and help that part of Tryon feel more dense.   This will certainly bring in more residents to uptown and hopefully have a decent amount of retail.  There are plenty of other projects in the works that will add tall density to the skyline.  

 

[RANYC]

28 minutes ago, CltFlyer said:

I want to preface this by saying replacing the Hall House with this is a tragedy, but I do want to play Devil's advocate.

It is well established that uptown has an impressive skyline, but feels somewhat empty at ground level.  

It has been said that uptown could use more mid rise buildings to help fill in gaps on the surface, and keeping that in mind.  These could help the ground level atmosphere of Uptown and help that part of Tryon feel more dense.   This will certainly bring in more residents to uptown and hopefully have a decent amount of retail.  There are plenty of other projects in the works that will add tall density to the skyline.  

 

Are these coming with ground-floor retail?  Can't quite discern that from the renderings.  It almost appears the ground-floor is just screening for parking, but surely they're not putting ground floor parking right along Tryon Street...

[j-man]

I’m sorry but why even build a replica.  Save it or create something else. I’m so not a fan of what’s been built to either “fit” the area or “pay homage” to the past. It always turns out looking literally outdated and not in a historically beautiful way. 

42 minutes ago, CltFlyer said:

I want to preface this by saying replacing the Hall House with this is a tragedy, but I do want to play Devil's advocate.

It is well established that uptown has an impressive skyline, but feels somewhat empty at ground level.  

It has been said that uptown could use more mid rise buildings to help fill in gaps on the surface, and keeping that in mind.  These could help the ground level atmosphere of Uptown and help that part of Tryon feel more dense.   This will certainly bring in more residents to uptown and hopefully have a decent amount of retail.  There are plenty of other projects in the works that will add tall density to the skyline.  

 

I don’t understand how shorted (5/6) story buildings will help with anything. I get they can fill in gaps but it would be better to have a 30 story fill in with way more residence, than a regular stick apartment that won’t bring as much people. At these designs look absolutely hideous. Hopefully the renderings change. 

Edited May 31, 2022 by j-man

[midtownclt]

I walked by today and sadly see that the demolition process has begun. 

Such a shame this building is not being saved.

The only positive is there will be more housing units for uptown and especially N Tryon.

I would be happy with residential projects built on every vacant lot uptown - regardless of height. 

More housing = more people on the sidewalks = more retail, I hope.

 

[Matthew.Brendan]

 

If only there were a couple blocks available in the immediate vicinity that are already owned by the city and are mostly just parking lots with some easily relocated gov offices.

Too bad nothing like that exists.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Matthew.Brendan

[15895]

On 5/30/2022 at 9:40 PM, j-man said:

I hate that all this good prime surface area is going for lowrise. I really don’t understand how other cities get such great urban developments, and Charlotte gets stuck with these not so bright ideas…

I disagree. Structural density, IMO, adds greatly to the pedestrian experience. If a low rise is built there, a high rise would have to go elsewhere. Fill in several of these lots, a developer would have to look out farther in uptown to build. 
 

SouthEnd is a good example of high rises (Lowes tower) surrounded my low rise buildings. It’d be nice to have a slice of low-rises uptown  instead of the still massive amounts of parking lots, gravel lots, and even grass fields. Besides, the low rise buildings seem to score better tenants and livelier venues it seems. 
 

in any event. I’m not at all shocked Charlotte would tear this down. Other than Thirsty Beaver, everything meets the wrecking ball. I don’t get why this building can’t be rehabilitated but perhaps it’s been discussed already in previous pages that I haven’t looked over. As the poster above implied, there’s no shortage of land…

Edited June 13, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD

[KJHburg]

City Council is finally approving this plan.

now maybe the Truist office tower can get started on the lower left corner in that image above. 

[Blue_Devil]

If I remember right there is another separate apartment tower going up here, where the food trucks used to god? And maybe another one at the museum of the new south as well?

[SydneycartonII]

12 hours ago, KJHburg said:

City Council is finally approving this plan.

now maybe the Truist office tower can get started on the lower left corner in that image above. 

I thought that BofA was going to anchor the office tower.  Aren’t they a partner here?

[KJHburg]

24 minutes ago, SydneycartonII said:

I thought that BofA was going to anchor the office tower.  Aren’t they a partner here?

BofA sold the land to this partnership and Truist will anchor a tower connected to their big truist tower. 

[SydneycartonII]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

BofA sold the land to this partnership and Truist will anchor a tower connected to their big truist tower. 

That’s fantastic.  Presumably, since it’s Truist’s own tower, they’ll break ground soon, or will they wait until the whole project is under construction?

[SydneycartonII]

[j-man]

On 6/14/2022 at 8:03 AM, KJHburg said:

BofA sold the land to this partnership and Truist will anchor a tower connected to their big truist tower. 

So is this still going to just be a ten story building? I sure hope not. All of this development seems so lowscale. 

[SydneycartonII]

Has it been announced when demolition will start?

The Wilson Library is beautiful, as is the whole UNC campus.  I love strolling through there.

My favorite library in America is the Morgan Library Museum on Madison Ave.  It was JP Morgan’s personal library, and the collection of historic books and documents is beyond amazing (e.g., they have handwritten notes and diagrams that Gallileo drafted while observing Jupiter in 1609).

The museum/library consists of several buildings joined together which are Gilded Age icons.   The Beaux Artes Polish Consulate to the north is also stunning.

Edited July 1, 2022 by SydneycartonII

[atlrvr]

Genuinely confused here as to why there is exposed parking.  In the grand scheme of this development, this has to be a rounding error (as far as cost to address properly).

I'm assuming "artistic screening to be determined at a later date" will cover this.    

Looks potentially clad in glass all the way down here, but also not exactly "proof" around what the intent is:

None the less, who doesn't love highrises.  Snohetta is in the "Intercontinental is happening in ghostly spirit" camp.

[JRCLT]

So…not exactly 10 stories? Or 10 stories of office?

[atlrvr]

I think it's 15 floors of office over 6 floors of parking, so maybe 21 total...

[SydneycartonII]

I wonder if those are supposed to be largely accurate renderings of the buildings surrounding the library.