New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)

[MontanaGuy]

29 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

All the stadiums that were built we more private money are surrounded by hundreds of acres of parking because it’s so lucrative to the teams. I think we can all agree we’d rather redevelop these parking lots, finally collect sales and real estate tax revenue, build affordable housing and parks, etc.. and have metro’s portion be mainly paid by hotel guests

I understand what you're saying and agree with it but with tens of thousands of people driving to the games they have to have a place to park and once again we find ourselves confronted with the difficulty of moving that many people all at one time.  It would take an extraordinary mass transit system to handle crowds like that and we don't even have a mediocre mass transit system, or even any plans for one!

[nashvylle]

14 minutes ago, MontanaGuy said:

I understand what you're saying and agree with it but with tens of thousands of people driving to the games they have to have a place to park and once again we find ourselves confronted with the difficulty of moving that many people all at one time.  It would take an extraordinary mass transit system to handle crowds like that and we don't even have a mediocre mass transit system, or even any plans for one!

Not going to argue that we have mass transit in Nashville (we don’t as you state), but there are thousands of parking spaces across the River in downtown and the current plan maintains 2,000 parking spaces for the new stadium. If anything, getting people to walk a little will help with traffic in the area instead of everyone parking in the same place. 

[Luvemtall]

Although the idea of all those parking spaces across the river, sounds like a good idea. We have to take in a few considerations , 1) on most days, it’s still hard to find a spot. There’s a lot of people downtown. 2) if you park in some of the larger garages,say 5th &Broad, MCC etc. that’s a decent walk to where the Stadium will be, some folks would have difficulty going that far. Plus what about inclement weather, one of the reasons to build a enclosed stadium. Defeats the purpose if your drenched to start with. 3) who suffers the most on game days or special events days , if all the parking across the river were to be taken by people attending such events. The businesses downtown whose patrons can’t find parking, so they can’t go to where they want, lost revenue. It’s going to have to be, that any potential development of the East Bank includes substantial amounts of structured parking. 

[KJHburg]

6 hours ago, nashvylle said:

Not going to argue that we have mass transit in Nashville (we don’t as you state), but there are thousands of parking spaces across the River in downtown and the current plan maintains 2,000 parking spaces for the new stadium. If anything, getting people to walk a little will help with traffic in the area instead of everyone parking in the same place. 

Charlotte's downtown Bank of America Stadium has only a few surface parking lots within 2-3 blocks.  Most park in the office parking garages of our office towers.  And traffic is diffused because you have people walking 4-8 blocks in all directions and of course people taking the light rail which is 3 blocks away.   Big huge traffic jams are mostly avoided unless an accident.  

[nashvylle]

13 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

Although the idea of all those parking spaces across the river, sounds like a good idea. We have to take in a few considerations , 1) on most days, it’s still hard to find a spot. There’s a lot of people downtown. 2) if you park in some of the larger garages,say 5th &Broad, MCC etc. that’s a decent walk to where the Stadium will be, some folks would have difficulty going that far. Plus what about inclement weather, one of the reasons to build an enclosed stadium. Defeats the purpose if you’re drenched to start with. 3) who suffers the most on game days or special events days , if all the parking across the river were to be taken by people attending such events. The businesses downtown whose patrons can’t find parking, so they can’t go to where they want, lost revenue. It’s going to have to be, that any potential development of the East Bank includes substantial amounts of structured parking. 

Well said, and I’m not saying everyone just needs to walk. I think this situation will for Nashville and Nashvillians to utilize at least efficient bus transit in the beginning. RMR’s and River North’s developments will have parking too in addition to the 2,000 spaces in the stadium campus. 

[smeagolsfree]

13 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Charlotte's downtown Bank of America Stadium has only a few surface parking lots within 2-3 blocks.  Most park in the office parking garages of our office towers.  And traffic is diffused because you have people walking 4-8 blocks in all directions and of course people taking the light rail which is 3 blocks away.   Big huge traffic jams are mostly avoided unless an accident.  

That is the big difference between us Kevin, Charlotte has mass transit and we do not. We are unlikely to get mass transit any time between now and when hell freezes over and with global warming that seems rather unlikely unless there is a global ice age triggered.

[Bos2Nash]

On 2/25/2023 at 7:59 PM, Luvemtall said:

Although the idea of all those parking spaces across the river, sounds like a good idea. We have to take in a few considerations , 1) on most days, it’s still hard to find a spot. There’s a lot of people downtown. 2) if you park in some of the larger garages,say 5th &Broad, MCC etc. that’s a decent walk to where the Stadium will be, some folks would have difficulty going that far. Plus what about inclement weather, one of the reasons to build a enclosed stadium. Defeats the purpose if your drenched to start with. 3) who suffers the most on game days or special events days , if all the parking across the river were to be taken by people attending such events. The businesses downtown whose patrons can’t find parking, so they can’t go to where they want, lost revenue. It’s going to have to be, that any potential development of the East Bank includes substantial amounts of structured parking. 

1) There isn't really any difficulty finding parking in downtown. The difficult part is finding the FREE parking downtown. There are always spots in Public Plaza on the deeper levels. I don't think MCC has ever been truly full. I agree that folks may have a hard time finding their preferred parking, but it is definitely there. 

2) I do agree that not everyone can walk that far. Just look at this past weekend where CM At-Large Zulfat Suara did not attend the NSC game due to parking (and having bad luck with other lots). The multi-use arena will need a robust circulation plan for when it is planned to be used.

3) Businesses downtown on days for games/concerts/functions will never be hurt by spectators using parking because most of those events occur off hours from normal business hours and on weekends when those hours are greatly different. Many businesses open on the weekend in the area where folks would be parking are already catering to tourists and people coming in for weekend shenanigans, so I do not really buy into this argument. 

Lastly, as stated above, there will be alot of parking structures built on the East Bank due to the demand the East Bank will bring. The caveat to those garages will be that with the new parking maximums in place any new construction will have a very difficult time providing any parking above and beyond their allotted parking. 

I completely agree that parking will be a challenge, but to a certain extent it needs to be. It just reinforces how badly these facilities need a much more robust transportation plan associated to them. Soccer failed on that front. Hopefully this multi-use arena (and the racetrack) don't.

[Rick Dalton]

Respectfully, if you can’t walk a mile or so to the game you should lose some weight 

[Luvemtall]

Definitely wasn’t referring to that aspect of it, I was thinking about people with Physical disabilities, or medical concerns. 

[nashvylle]

27 minutes ago, Luvemtall said:

Definitely wasn’t referring to that aspect of it, I was thinking about people with Physical disabilities, or medical concerns. 

 

2 hours ago, natethegreat said:

Respectfully, if you can’t walk a mile or so to the game you should lose some weight 

A shocking amount of Americans have disabilities now, be it from old age, veterans, or another disability. Nashville needs to become a city where you can get around. 

[SumnerCountian]

Have taken my wife and child who is handicapped to several games at Nissan . It has never been a problem for me to drop them.off and the go park across the river. I can walk and do need the exercise so no problem. Would it be more convenient if more parking were available on the stadium campus, especially for handicapped people? Sure, but then we are just going to hear about the empty parking lots on non-use days. And if they are truly going to do the Imagine East Bank community around the new stadium then those properties are going to be developed into something other than parking. Just my 2¢.

Edited March 1, 2023 by SumnerCountian

[bnacincy]

Those parking lots double as commuter parking on weekdays-that keeps thousands of cars from driving into the Central Business District and creating a worse problem than the one that already exists. If these lots are gone then the city would need to implement more park and ride lots in the neighborhoods and suburbs to take up the slack.

[Bos2Nash]

This paired with the new parking regs will result in a pretty sizable uptick in parking costs (great for some, not so great for others). Contrary to what many believe, parking is still very affordable by city standards in the CBD. 

[PaulChinetti]

Parking is free everywhere it's pretty crazy. The city seems to leave a lot of money on the table. Most roads have free street parking, meter those things up!

[smeagolsfree]

I was going to try and find a comparison of parking meter rates of larger cities to see where Nashville stands but I have not had any luck yet. I know when I have been in other cities Nashville parking rates seem to be much higher than the norm of similarly sized cities. Nashville seems to be on par with the big boy cities as well as valet rates and parking garage rates. NYC we are not, and Nashville needs to stop acting like we are NYC. 

That is the problem with the land prices going up and no parking requirements now being pushed in the entire Urban core by Metro. Parking is going to become less available and more expensive because of these policies. That is why some of you guys were quick to knock me down when I spoke out against doing away with the parking requirements.

When you have no mass transit, and you have tourist from hell coming to Nashville from all over and normal folks that live here and want to come and enjoy downtown, they can't do it now. 

Metro in all of their glorious wisdom has screwed up again. Folks that are on fixed incomes just will stop coming to downtown and tourist that are lower to lower middle class are or will be priced out. Cooper has been bad for the city with all of his stupid ideas trying to fix things. The parking meter situation that is being implemented is not even the right one. There are still pay stations instead of paying by phone to my understanding. He approved a system that is still archaic just like him. You do not need pay stations to pay for parking! 

Meters are 20th century tech. you do not need meters. 

I like you Paul but, we will disagree all day on this. Metro has made a huge mistake on parking and will pay for it in the long run and get complaints from tourist and locals alike. Cars are not going anywhere for the next 20 years, and mass transit is not coming here for the next 20 years. Prepare for traffic and parking gridlock. A lot of those roads that have free parking are for residents too. Go ahead and piss those folks off. Now you will have to start issuing residential neighborhood parking passes. There are a lot of folks that want to come into town and enjoy the parks on Sunday, well if that happens, they can't do that for free any longer.

This is not about a freaking money grab by Metro. Metro steals enough of the taxpayer's money as it is, If I were a tourist visiting here and had to pay $5 bucks every time, I had to visit a different area of town with no mass transit option, that is the last time I am coming. Sort of the way I felt about some other cities I have visited about their lack of Mass transit options, Miami for one. For me never again. You leave a bad taste in enough people's mouth, and you have a problem. When you do not have the tourist to support all of the places you like then they close, and you wonder why they closed in your neighborhood. There is cause and effect to everything.

[Rick Dalton]

Nashville parking is cheap. Boston is literally 5x more expensive.

[nashville born]

I'm reading all the above comments and all I can think is...mass transit.  I don't get it.  And apparently, neither will Nashville.

[smeagolsfree]

1 hour ago, natethegreat said:

Nashville parking is cheap. Boston is literally 5x more expensive.

But Boston has mass transit, so there is an alternative to parking. Handicap parking is of course free if you have a sticker or at least it used to be. Who knows under this new plan. Many people abuse the handicap parking downtown. If you are handicap and have a sticker you can drive around for hours and never find an open space to park in. 

So ever who came up with the smart-ass comment in a previous comment about walking and that it will do you good...shame on you. There are a number of elderly folks that may not be handicap or handicap that can't find parking and elderly that drive that can't afford the rates downtown being on fixed income. When you folks make these comments remember one day you may be in the same boat.

 

[go_outside]

21 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

But Boston has mass transit, so there is an alternative to parking. Handicap parking is of course free if you have a sticker or at least it used to be. Who knows under this new plan. Many people abuse the handicap parking downtown. If you are handicap and have a sticker you can drive around for hours and never find an open space to park in. 

So ever who came up with the smart-ass comment in a previous comment about walking and that it will do you good...shame on you. There are a number of elderly folks that may not be handicap or handicap that can't find parking and elderly that drive that can't afford the rates downtown being on fixed income. When you folks make these comments remember one day you may be in the same boat.

 

Unfortunately, it's a chicken and egg problem. We'll never achieve the density or the political desire for public transit if we continue to subsidize driving with cheap, abundant parking.

Re: People abusing handicap parking, I think the solution is stricter enforcement of those handicap parking laws.

[markhollin]

The New Titans Stadium Lease has been made available to the public.  It states that the stadium itself will sit on 20.78 acres, and that the Sports Authority Sales Tax Boundary will encompass 104.41 acres. The lease also includes info on agreements around site, development, non-relocation, funding and more.

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2023/03/02/tennessee-titans-stadium-campus-and-sales-tax-boun.html


The full lease is here:

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/12460645/exhibit-c-stadium-lease-agreement.pdf
 

[lmc123]

Sean Parker posted all documents here:
https://t.co/kCLaS7g08j

[nashvylle]

So essentially metro is going from sales and real estate tax of $0 (not including gas station and shoneys) to half of whatever is generated in future sales tax and 100% of future real estate taxes.

the titans, not metro general fund, are backstopping the “first class condition” of the new lease, meaning if the area surrounding the stadium is never developed and does not generate any income, metro is not on the hook, the titans are. 

The 90 acres of vacant parking lots will be utilized for parks, affordable housing, and private development. 

The metro general fund is taken off the obligation for a renovation (at least $600mm+) and hotel guests will fund the majority of the interest payments, and NEW sales tax. 
 

Any general obligation bonds issued outside of the new stadium would have been issued for a stadium renovation. 

The $40mm in paid stadium expenses owed by metro’s general fund and future ~$20mm in remaining Nissan expenses also owed by general fund are now capped at $42mm and can be paid by sales tax on PSLs, not general fund… 

please approve this deal! 

Edited March 3, 2023 by nashvylle

[lmc123]

East Bank TIF likely next on the docket once the stadium is likely approved.

Remember the fanfare for approving the $37M Madison Station redevelopment TIF in early January? Metro Council approved it unanimously. The East Bank will be just as impactful! Madison Station  will provide "1,694 multi-family residential housing units, office, and retail space, public parks, greenways, and multimodal roads." Only around 10% of the units will be affordable, too....

Edited March 3, 2023 by lmc123

[nashvylle]

The East Bank TIF was going to happen in either scenario (new stadium or renovation). 
 

madison TIF was privately owned land, correct? We can get a lot more affordable housing (walking distance to downtown CBD!) since it will be metro owned land 

[lmc123]

2 hours ago, nashvylle said:

The East Bank TIF was going to happen in either scenario (new stadium or renovation). 
 

madison TIF was privately owned land, correct? We can get a lot more affordable housing (walking distance to downtown CBD!) since it will be metro owned land 

Exactly! The developers doing ground leases on this public land will have to follow the east bank planning study which specifically mentions affordable housing.