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Not surprisingly, there is an awful lot of conjecture going on here. There has been radio silence on this for quite a while. I will throw another little bit of conjecture out there as well. Does anyone think it is possible that the planning with the city and the Army Corps of Engineers regarding the $2.6 B flood protection wall has had anything to do with the delays? 

I believe city council just approved the wall on Tuesday.

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"Meats" on a quarterly basis? I bet there are high steaks involved too.

BFG
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It's official...they don't have enough signatures. https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-petition-deadline-20191024-llbxc2gzvfai7jkvzfdnt6umgy-story.html

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The fact that they were only able to get 3600 signatures in a city this large is telling. It's especially telling that they weren't able to brow beat the people who didn't even know that there was a c

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19 minutes ago, NFKjeff said:

Not surprisingly, there is an awful lot of conjecture going on here. There has been radio silence on this for quite a while. I will throw another little bit of conjecture out there as well. Does anyone think it is possible that the planning with the city and the Army Corps of Engineers regarding the $2.6 B flood protection wall has had anything to do with the delays? 

I believe city council just approved the wall on Tuesday.

Absolutely. Filer has stated this as one of the issues with the site, trying to coordinate with multiple moving parts: sea wall, Amtrak & the Tides. 

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2 hours ago, zeppelin14 said:

A Caesars or a Hard Rock sure would look nice next to Harbor Park. Hell, I would take a Harrah's at this point.

I dunno how well it would show up in the skyline, but a guitar-shaped Hard Rock hotel would be pretty nice downtown.

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On 5/28/2023 at 8:36 PM, Norva757 said:

Probably because the casino is either getting heavily watered down (usual Norfolk crap) or they don’t think it will be actually built

When Portsmouth went ahead with their casino, I wondered if HR could actually support two casinos.

When Portsmouth raced to the front of the line, I wonder if that meant the end of feasibility for the grand plans that were shown before. Instead of working together, it was every city for itself... again.

Working together, a grand casino in Norfolk could have been a huge win for both versus the glorified shopping mall with slots and game tables that Portsmouth built.

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9 hours ago, baobabs727 said:

Louise would never have allowed a joint casino to be built in Norfolk.  

Of course. And that's the (obvious) problem. Every city for itself.

Instead of one grand casino (which admittedly wasn't exactly a guarantee even without the Portsmouth casino), HR gets a glorified mall and MAYYYBE a very watered down version of another casino. 

Of course, as I've said before: The market for high end casino resorts is starting to get saturated anyway.

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From their Facebook: 

The wait is finally over.

We are proud to announce that this week we have submitted our Development Certificate Application to the City of Norfolk to move forward with the initial facility of the HeadWaters Resort & Casino. We are eager to bring this much anticipated project to life. More details to come soon!

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7 minutes ago, HRVA said:

From their Facebook: 

The wait is finally over.

We are proud to announce that this week we have submitted our Development Certificate Application to the City of Norfolk to move forward with the initial facility of the HeadWaters Resort & Casino. We are eager to bring this much anticipated project to life. More details to come soon!

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Came 2 days after the city, army corps and state signed the agreement for the new flood/storm plan.

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Holy sh*t. The tables have turned. Our lord has arisen, Empires are crumbling, crowds are cheering, war is over, time has stopped, humanity is saved. (Comical drama) 

Well, that was underwhelming. 
Your telling me this was just submitted? I thought they were through this stage already. 

 

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Looks like that's now Phase 1. Interesting.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/developer-plans-to-move-forward-with-planned-norfolk-casino/#:~:text=That first phase will be,5%2C000-square-foot lobby.

HeadWaters Resort & Casino, a partnership between the Pamunkey Indian Tribe and Tennessee billionaire Jon Yarbrough, made the announcement Wednesday afternoon, saying the application is for the “initial phase” of the overall resort casino.

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That first phase will be 90,000 square feet total, 45,000 of which will be gaming floor. There’ll also be a 4,500-square-foot sports bar and a 5,000-square-foot lobby.

HeadWaters also has plans for a future entertainment venue and hotel at the site next to Harbor Park, which were shared in the master plan renderings on Wednesday.

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2 hours ago, BFG said:

Looks like that's now Phase 1. Interesting.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/developer-plans-to-move-forward-with-planned-norfolk-casino/#:~:text=That first phase will be,5%2C000-square-foot lobby.

HeadWaters Resort & Casino, a partnership between the Pamunkey Indian Tribe and Tennessee billionaire Jon Yarbrough, made the announcement Wednesday afternoon, saying the application is for the “initial phase” of the overall resort casino.

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That first phase will be 90,000 square feet total, 45,000 of which will be gaming floor. There’ll also be a 4,500-square-foot sports bar and a 5,000-square-foot lobby.

HeadWaters also has plans for a future entertainment venue and hotel at the site next to Harbor Park, which were shared in the master plan renderings on Wednesday.

Would assume this being broken into 2 phases is also related to the flood/seawall project. City and army corps need to get that work done before a hotel can be built on that part of the property. 

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38 minutes ago, Buildthetowers said:

Is there some kind of hatred for tall towers in this area?? maybe a military thing? I do not know but it really pisses me off!!!!

From what I understand, the sea level won't allow for anything super tall. But I call BS on that because HR and New Orleans are the Top 2 areas threatened by sea level rise, and NO has several towers with more than 40 stories.

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16 minutes ago, BFG said:

From what I understand, the sea level won't allow for anything super tall. But I call BS on that because HR and New Orleans are the Top 2 areas threatened by sea level rise, and NO has several towers with more than 40 stories.

Well, thats also because their city does not let developers BS their way into building on their land. 

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6 hours ago, HRVA said:

From their Facebook: 

The wait is finally over.

We are proud to announce that this week we have submitted our Development Certificate Application to the City of Norfolk to move forward with the initial facility of the HeadWaters Resort & Casino. We are eager to bring this much anticipated project to life. More details to come soon!

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https://www.facebook.com/100066951603918/posts/pfbid02Fg8etuFoatQ4j3GRPbkoCu5QHe1LnZKwascS5Q4hrfLhyeoQ3oorYKbVXkLo7jYYl/

I'd honestly written this one off. Still a ways to go but if this can start construction this year, *perhaps Norfolk will be able to pull itself out of this funk it's been in.

5 hours ago, BeagleAccountant said:

The station is mostly hidden in the image, you can just barely see the top of it behind that roof with all the mechanical equipment on it.  

At this point, the Casino IS the train station. Might as well just attach a lobby to the thing and be done with it. 😆

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3 hours ago, mintscraft56 said:

Hold the hell on. Ladies and Gentlemen, What the ever loving Fu*k is this? 

How did they manage to make it look even worse? 

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The second one is at full build out. The first is *temporary, but will eventually be attached to the permanent facility.

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No. If that thing is permanent, I call bullcrap. It’s hideous. Are they not going to have the larger casino with decent and architecture at 90k sf for the gaming floor and hotel? I understand hotel is in a future phase? So this is not the temp build. No. Unacceptable.  This is the kind of crap you get when you don’t put out an RFP and instead you take some amateur casino operators who have never done anything in their lives even approaching a project such as this in the gaming industry.

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