Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge

[MorganRehnberg]

Got the email releasing the first units for the upcoming HYVE building on 7th Ave S. The email describes them as “STR-ready” with furnished units available.

https://hyvenashville.com/vip/


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[downtownresident]

1 hour ago, Mr Gain said:

The Smith guy specifically refers to the homeless and criminals including the drug dealers. He's not complaining about tourists. You have to wonder why dummies like Spyridon and his ilk going after hot dog and gyro street vendors instead of the homeless.

I think the vendors they are targeting more so than anything are the cannabis vendors. 

[markhollin]

RMH House (6 stories, 33 rooms, ground level retail on .3 acre at 94 Peabody St.) update: Bodnar Investment Group has added another investor, Dal Briggs, to the development team.  They have also announced that Centric Architecture will handle design and Ragan-Smith Associates will be in charge of engineering and land planning. Still no start date has been given. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/progress-made-on-project-eyed-for-rutledge-hill/article_d1d1369a-515f-11ed-afd2-07940d250b85.html

[markhollin]

Capitol Hotel also appears to be renovating existing rooms to go along with the new addition. Perhaps they will match the cladding with the new faux brown marble of the addition.

Looking NE from Polk Ave., 1/4 block south of Union St:

Looking SE from intersection of Union St. and Polk Ave:

[Melrose]

On 10/21/2022 at 2:04 PM, downtownresident said:

I think the vendors they are targeting more so than anything are the cannabis vendors. 

“Drug dealers”. Lol, ok whatever. This is trying to shift blame away from the toxic bros and trash bachelorette parties that frequent Steve Smith’s garbage bars and have ruined downtown.  Smith knows it’s out of hand and won’t admit that he lit one of the big matches in the race to the bottom downtown.   

[BeaveStirs]

[titanhog]

9 hours ago, Melrose said:

“Drug dealers”. Lol, ok whatever. This is trying to shift blame away from the toxic bros and trash bachelorette parties that frequent Steve Smith’s garbage bars and have ruined downtown.  Smith knows it’s out of hand and won’t admit that he lit one of the big matches in the race to the bottom downtown.   

I think “ruining downtown” may be a bit much.  Let’s not forget what Nashville’s downtown was 30+ years ago.  Those bars have helped elevate that area…a lot.  Do we need some new ground rules to hopefully make the area more family friendly?  YES.  Do we need to throw the baby out with the bath water?  NO. 

[smeagolsfree]

I talk to some of the street people during my walks downtown and Some of what DT Resident says about some of the vendors being the drug vendors is true. One of the guys, leys call him Ricky told me one of the food vendors were dealing most of the marihuana downtown and could get most anything else you needed. The vendor licensing may have put a damper on some of that and pushed it a little more underground, but it is still going on.

Don't say that it is not happening because it is. It is happening right out in the open under the nose of the Metro cops. Anyone knows that when you frequent the club scene your best resource for information is the bar staff that could always hook you up. So, I guarantee that it is being sold in the bars too. I frequented to club scene in my younger years and worked in the restaurant industry and the servers and bartenders were always holding, especially the kitchen staff. Regulars would come in and know who to talk too. Even some of the managers were in on the game.

[markhollin]

Sonic Audi (rehab of 2 story manufacturing facility to car dealership) update: skin being applied to exterior.

Looking SE from intersection of Lindlsey Ave. and 1st Ave. South:

Looking SW from Lindlsey Ave., 1/2 block east of 1st Ave. South:

[Melrose]

3 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I talk to some of the street people during my walks downtown and Some of what DT Resident says about some of the vendors being the drug vendors is true. One of the guys, leys call him Ricky told me one of the food vendors were dealing most of the marihuana downtown and could get most anything else you needed. The vendor licensing may have put a damper on some of that and pushed it a little more underground, but it is still going on.

Don't say that it is not happening because it is. It is happening right out in the open under the nose of the Metro cops. Anyone knows that when you frequent the club scene your best resource for information is the bar staff that could always hook you up. So, I guarantee that it is being sold in the bars too. I frequented to club scene in my younger years and worked in the restaurant industry and the servers and bartenders were always holding, especially the kitchen staff. Regulars would come in and know who to talk too. Even some of the managers were in on the game.

So let's accept the premise that "drug dealers" are prevalent on lower Broadway, what does that say about the crowds/tourists frequenting downtown?  Are the poor, innocent, jesus-loving tourists being corrupted for the first-time on lower Broadway by the evil drug dealers giving them a first bite of the  forbidden apple?  Or maybe are all of the "drug dealers"  just going to where the business is?   Are the drug the dealers the ones binge drinking and starting all of the fights then going back to their Airbnbs but ending up kicking down a neighbor's door and otherwise wreaking havoc for people who live here?  People seem to be exerting a lot of energy to avoid blaming the people actually doing the bad stuff. 

  The problem downtown is that the tourism braintrust (including NCVC-  For ex., there was a story in the Nashville Scene a few years back that I am trying to find, pointing out a previous version of a "guys trip" page on NCVC's website that basically encouraged bros to come to town and rage)  embraced the easy, shortsighted brand that Nashville was all party all the time,  a place where people can come, stay in an Airbnb party house in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and then proceed to act like an out of control idiot all weekend.   Then cheap opportunists  opened up a bunch of fake honkytonks in any space they could and embraced the all party, all binge drinking excess they could.    And now everyone has lost control of it and the ones who contributed to the problem are suddenly "concerned".....

 

[smeagolsfree]

No, I think the drugs have always been there for one. They are in most every large city and Metro has made a number of drug bust downtown over the last couple of months. They were highly publicized in the TV media.

I think we need to accept the fact that over the last 4 to 5 years the type of tourist coming to downtown has changed maybe because the NCVC encouraged the change a little too much with all of the bachelorette parties and the fact we now have an influx of the bro country scene that is different than the old country scene. There are two different groups that were coming to Nashville now vs ten years ago. You guys tell me what you think about the difference in the groups are now. I think that explains a lot IMO. Yep, Melrose you are correct, the Bro country has taken advantage of the situation and opened their own brand of country downtown and ruined Lower Broad. It is now a commercialized hell, and the little guy can't survive there anymore. The so called "LB mafia" now has a problem they can't control.

The convention business will actually be hurt by the rowdiness on Broadway now and not helped. When city leaders from Portland visit and are glad they don't have the "Nashville" problem, that is troubling. The NBJ had a story a while back, where most of the respondents do not bring clients to Broadway any longer. It used to be a novelty, now I think LB is a detriment to Nashville. Metro screwed up by allowing all of the party wagons, scooters, etc. in the first place and now they are trying to close Pandoras box.

[Mr Gain]

On 10/21/2022 at 8:27 AM, markhollin said:

The "Party Hard" vibe of Lower Broadway is even getting to some of the folks who helped create it.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/21/nashville-lower-broadway-issues-from-the-editor.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/20/nashville-broadway-music-party-las-vegas.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/21/photos-a-night-on-lower-broadway.html

We have notated this for years on this forum.  But it finally seems to be reaching critical mass. What are some serious suggestions on how to remedy the situation?

This article is so full holes that you couldn't even make a slice of swiss cheese out of it. No wonder newspaper readership is declining.

Before they hid the story behind a paywall (maybe they understood how much it crumbles under scrutiny), the imbecilic story tried to imply that crime was going up downtown because of the tourists themselves. Well crime has gone up all over the city and all over the country for that matter. On top of that there is no mention of who the suspects are. You can bet if they were mostly or all tourists they would have said it. This person is either dumb or this is an intentional mislead.

Secondly it mentions that a law firm and a bank are moving from downtown to Nashville Yards. Seemingly to imply that they left because of tourism. Then they try to hide the attempted deception afterwards by writing neither said why they had moved. So that brings up the question of why even mention it then? That's either incompetent high schooler journalism or an attempt at deception. Could one reason be that their rent was going up? Why would that same law firm and bank move next door to the AEG entertainment district with live entertainment and recreation directed at tourists? Why are companies signing leases in the fifth and broad complex whose dining, nightlife, and shopping are mainly filled with tourists?

Edited October 24, 2022 by Mr Gain

[PillowTalk4]

16 hours ago, BeaveStirs said:

What and where is this?

[FrankNash]

^^^Nashville is a party town.  The Lower Broad area brings in a ton of money to the city.  If I were calling the shots I would not allow the venders and have no soliciting including non profit organizations and homeless people.  Also, would permanently close Broadway from 5th to the river with the numbered streets always open.  Any city our size would give anything to have a guarantee active vibe of Lower Broad everyday of the week.  This will all shake out when Nashville Yards opens and the Arcade area between 4th and 5th are complete.  Party towns ebb and flow, just look at Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York.  Be Happy!

[Mr Gain]

Notice how no one says there are regular, semi-regular, or constant: stabbings, shootings, and other violent acts like there were 10 years ago on the 2nd Avenue night scene.

This seems like a bunch of aged people who seem mad at the world because people visit Nashville and are not interested in sitting at some table watching stoically while some songwriter or struggling musician strums his guitar. They seethe with anger because people come here and dance to music played by professional bands. Well tough the world changes. People need to grow up.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Mr Gain

[titanhog]

We should just invite the strip clubs back down there and close all those honky tonks.  They’ve just destroyed Nashville. 

[Nash_12South]

Among the folks leaving are Pinnacle and a law firm in their building. The reasons they give are all the rowdy tourists make day to day functioning too difficult. It's hard to go to a client lunch or even leave their building in the afternoons. I've heard stories that the older tourist crowds, the less party hard crowd, are giving up on downtown. Nashville Yards will benefit greatly from the shift as perhaps will whatever grows up around a new football stadium.

[samsonh]

5 hours ago, Mr Gain said:

Notice how no one says there are regular, semi-regular, or constant: stabbings, shootings, and other violent acts like there were 10 years ago on the 2nd Avenue night scene.

This seems like a bunch of aged people who seem mad at the world because people visit Nashville and are not interested in sitting at some table watching stoically while some songwriter or struggling musician strums his guitar. They seethe with anger because people come here and dance to music played by professional bands. Well tough the world changes. People need to grow up.

In 2012 there were not semi regular stabbings. Lmao how old are you? 
 

LB is a place for drinking. That’s fine, it gets excessive sometimes. Also fine to call that out. 

[Mr Gain]

37 minutes ago, samsonh said:

In 2012 there were not semi regular stabbings. Lmao how old are you? 
 

LB is a place for drinking. That’s fine, it gets excessive sometimes. Also fine to call that out. 

Young enough not to whine because people have a good time in live music venues. 

And the fact still stands those events ain't happening at the frequency they were on 2nd Ave. 10 years ago.

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Mr Gain

[samsonh]

1 hour ago, Mr Gain said:

Young enough not to whine because people have a good time in live music venues. 

And the fact still stands those events ain't happening at the frequency they were on 2nd Ave. 10 years ago.

 

I’m youngish, was at Broadway often in 2012. Do not think robberies or stabbing or shootings were a thing on Broadway back then. But you do you!

[markhollin]

Chief's at 200 Broadway (conversion of 1900-era 5 story structure to club) update.

 

[smeagolsfree]

18 hours ago, PillowTalk4 said:

What and where is this?

That is the Metro sewer plant expansion on 3rd N. in Germantown/Salemtown.

[markhollin]

607 Overton St. in The Gulch will add a 2nd story, 4,500 sq. ft. addition with a rooftop patio/bar  to help house The Iberian Pig restaurant. Smith Hanes Studio will be the exterior architect; with DeCarlo Hawker handling interior design.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/gulch-building-slated-for-second-story/article_46217e9c-53e0-11ed-ae8d-7330625a3ff5.html
 

[Rick Dalton]

Mmmm Iberian pigs

[markhollin]

The GM of AJ (Alan Jackson's) Good Time Bar says things are getting out of control on Lower Broadway:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/25/lower-broadway-matt-harville.html