Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, titanhog said:

I can understand the disdain for daytime noise.  That does need to be addressed.  However…the “all honky tonk bars” thing is a “be careful what you ask for” comment, IMO.  That section of Lower Broadway was one of Nashville’s worst calling cards until recent history changed that.  The honky tonk bars are a major driver to a world-wide well-known Nashville as being “vibrant” and lively…and part of our Music City brand…which is, again…world renowned.   

Do things need to be addressed to ensure things don’t get out of hand down there?  Yes…most definitely.  Do we need to limit the number of honky Tonks?  Well…I would say within that 4-5 blocks…no.  You have 2nd Avenue and other streets around Lower Broadway that can cater to other businesses…like restaurants, entertainment, residential, hotels, etc.  You already have 5+B, which is a step in the right direction.  You have Nashville Yards coming online soon.  And there could be other sections surrounding downtown that could be “non-honky tonk”.   Matter of fact, I think they should make it harder for honky Tonks to move outside of that 4-5 block area and keep them all there.

If they can get control a little better of what happens there before 6pm every day, I think that would help a ton.  

I couldn't agree more.  Well said.  I understand where Mr. Turner is coming from, and I think some of his critiques are well-founded, as you touched on titanhog.  There is certainly more that could and should be done to contain the noise and chaos to that five-ish block area.  However, I think he is way off base when he argues that the bars only benefit themselves and are nothing but a nuisance to anyone but out of town tourists.  As you stated, it could absolutely be argued that Nashville wouldn't be the internationally known boom town it is today without those honky tonks.  It would be growing certainly, but it certainly wouldn't be the superstar city it is today.  That growth and notoriety provided by Lower Broad is something that has profound and lasting benefits to the city as a whole, and we shouldn't be so quick to roll our eyes and write it off.   I'm also not entirely sure where he gets this idea that an area like Lower Broad where there is a high concentration of bars is some kind of anomaly.  Most big cities have something of a 'nightlife district.'  

Edited June 3, 2022 by BnaBreaker

[titanhog]

To me…if we didn’t have the nuisance of the circus-like joy-rides up and down Broadway and around that area…I don’t think people would be so up in arms and the honky tonks.  To me, those are the things that are causing the most noise and potential lawsuits.

[markhollin]

I think Turner is also referring to the boorish drunkenness and vomit stained streets as well.   ; )

[Argo]

He didn't mention party rides. He specifically said bars and honky tonks. I think this is the first salvo in an attempt to shut down Broadway. 2nd Ave and Printers Alley will be next if this is truly the intent. The developers have an agenda.

[nashville born]

23 minutes ago, Argo said:

He didn't mention party rides. He specifically said bars and honky tonks. I think this is the first salvo in an attempt to shut down Broadway. 2nd Ave and Printers Alley will be next if this is truly the intent. The developers have an agenda.

In the vein of chasing the almighty dollar, I can definitely see a possible agenda for the developers.  I agree with Titanhog with being careful what you wish for though.  So if the developers do won't to get there hands on those lower Broadway lots, I hope they propose a viable area where that entire district can be transplanted.  Let's not underestimate the overall economic impact that audience brings to Nashville.

[Argo]

It will be interesting to see the developers and probably the city go up against Kid Rock, Justin Timberlake, Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, Jon Bon Jovi, and Bob Dylan.

[Luvemtall]

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

It will be interesting to see the developers and probably the city go up against Kid Rock, Justin Timberlake, Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, Jon Bon Jovi, and Bob Dylan.

The developers would not need to go up against the above mentioned. They really don’t have nothing to do with any of that , except their branding. It’s all marketing, like a John Deere at Lowe’s really isn’t a John Deere it’s a MDT piece of crap that pays John Deere for the rights to use their branding. As long as there’s money being made , the Big Names don’t care. That being said, I really don’t think Mr Turner or any developer would want to take away totally that district, maybe clean it up a bit, tame it down some but not  destroy it.

[smeagolsfree]

I really do not see the problem with the Honkey Tonks as much as with the Trashportainment vehicles and Metro's lack of enforcement and manpower on lower Broadway. The MPD seems to go in with kid gloves instead of keeping law and order. They need to arrest all of the unruly people no matter if they live here or are visiting. 

You can do wonders with an army of undercover agents in the right places. They need to get a handle on the drunk and disorderly, the criminal homeless element that filters in to do petty crimes.

MPD is at least starting to crack down on some of the drug selling crimes there. 

Another huge problem now is that the scope of what is really considered the downtown area is really not the boundaries given but the entire Midtown/SoBro/Gulch/CBD areas, with carry over into the East bank with folks parking over there as well.  Seems as if Metro has to hire a lot more police to cover the areas.  Not near enough cameras either nor do the current cameras seem to be very good.

[smeagolsfree]

On another note.................KEEP  eyes open this afternoon for major news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    This is not the news I thought was going to break this week but new news!!!!!

 

The other news will be next week we hope.

[bnacincy]

I've got the day off....do I have time to go to the grocery store?

[nashville born]

15 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

On another note.................KEEP  eyes open this afternoon for major news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    This is not the news I thought was going to break this week but new news!!!!!

 

The other news will be next week we hope.

[Rick Dalton]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

On another note.................KEEP  eyes open this afternoon for major news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    This is not the news I thought was going to break this week but new news!!!!!

 

The other news will be next week we hope.

Haven Honky Tonk??

[WebberThomas4]

https://epermits.nashville.gov/download.aspx?id=759952
 

8th and Demonbreun Hotel?

[smeagolsfree]

Thats the bird. The Post story should be going live soon.

 

Mark will make a new topic so lets keep the discussion there when he does.

[MLBrumby]

Nice! I count 40 stories with a small crown.  What's the flag?  

So correction. I see it's 36 stories and 548' tall.  The mezzanine floors make it look like more floors. Just saw your post Smeags. I'll wait! 

Edited June 3, 2022 by MLBrumby

[colemangaines]

5 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

So correction. I see it's 36 stories and 548' tall.

The 548' refers to the adjust height above sea level. Ground level is "100 feet" on their drawings, so the plan is for a 448' building. Still a win in my book!

[markhollin]

The Berger Building at 158 Rosa L. Parks Blvd. (circa 1926) has scaffolding up for some upkeep on southern wall.

Looking north from Commerce St., just east of Rosa L. Parks Blvd:

[Quixotic 1]

Does anyone know about a start date for the Hill Center Germantown? A while back it was supposed to start in June. Is that still the time frame or has it changed?

Incidentally, went to the skyscraper museum in Manhattan this weekend. It’s small but interesting with an exhibit on “supertalls” around the world.  I know some of you here are interested in tall buildings. Also cool to then be able to see some of them in person on the same trip. 
 

[eddyjimu]

On 6/3/2022 at 6:59 AM, titanhog said:

I can understand the disdain for daytime noise.  That does need to be addressed.  However…the “all honky tonk bars” thing is a “be careful what you ask for” comment, IMO.  That section of Lower Broadway was one of Nashville’s worst calling cards until recent history changed that.  The honky tonk bars are a major driver to a world-wide well-known Nashville as being “vibrant” and lively…and part of our Music City brand…which is, again…world renowned.   

Do things need to be addressed to ensure things don’t get out of hand down there?  Yes…most definitely.  Do we need to limit the number of honky Tonks?  Well…I would say within that 4-5 blocks…no.  You have 2nd Avenue and other streets around Lower Broadway that can cater to other missouri businesse entity…like restaurants, entertainment, residential, hotels, etc.  You already have 5+B, which is a step in the right direction.  You have Nashville Yards coming online soon.  And there could be other sections surrounding downtown that could be “non-honky tonk”.   Matter of fact, I think they should make it harder for honky Tonks to move outside of that 4-5 block area and keep them all there.

If they can get control a little better of what happens there before 6pm every day, I think that would help a ton.  

I have never heard of Mr. Turner. this much have happend . i think have to stay updated to news now too

[markhollin]

Ballpark Village (8 stories, 356 units, 16,000 sq. ft. of ground level retail, internal garage) update: core drilling in southern portion.

Looking north from Harrison St., 1/4 block east of 4th Ave. North:

[Luvemtall]

On 6/3/2022 at 12:13 PM, smeagolsfree said:

On another note.................KEEP  eyes open this afternoon for major news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    This is not the news I thought was going to break this week but new news!!!!!

 

The other news will be next week we hope.

Are we still looking good for this “other” news to be coming our way? Do you think it will be this week?

[markhollin]

The Nell (5 - 8 stories, 78 condos, internal garage) update.

Looking north from intersection of 7th Ave. South and Fogg St:

Looking SW from 7th Ave. South, just north of Middleton St:

[markhollin]

C3 Bank out of California will open its first Nashville office in Nashville in the former King Baby Jewelry Building  at 615 9th Ave. South.  They  paid $7.1 million for it along with the adjoining 611 9th Ave. South  (another 1 story structure home to Chef & I (which will be relocating). The bank will renovate and make an addition to the current structure which will eventually be a 6,140 sq. ft. space on a single floor, employing 5-10 people.  Pfeffer Torode will be the architect with Urban Cowboy doing interior design.  

“It is intended to be a business hub where local deal making, transaction and general business is conducted among the Nashville community,” said. A.J. Moyer, C3 Bank president and CEO. 

With the way this neighborhood is percolating, it appears they paid way too much for this 1/3 acre site and just to convert a small structure into a bank branch.  Perhaps they have something more substantial in mind for the long term.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/west-coast-bank-eyes-gulch-for-first-branch-outside-california/article_48b803ce-e761-11ec-8e25-43d16c2d5696.html
 

This screen shot from Smeagolfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

[markhollin]

Metro Council has approved the purchase of the former Nashville School for the Blind's 2.6 acre campus at 88 Hermitage Ave.  from the state for $20.3 million.  It could've been purchased  for half of that in 2019.

Metro officials said the city could partner with the Metropolitan Development and Housing Agency, which owns an adjoining parcel, to create up to 350 housing units on the 2.6-acre parcel surrounding the historic building along the Cumberland River in the Rolling Mill Hill neighborhood.

After the purchase is finalized, a technical feasibility study will consider the structure of that housing and potential uses for the existing buildings.

Designs to renovate the 17,000-square-foot building into an office or similar use could cost around $8.8 million, not including site work, according to a report released last week.

The modern interior of the vacant building is in disrepair, damaged by vandalism and by people experiencing homelessness who sought shelter there. Inspectors say the building's overall structure, much of which is made of poured concrete, remains sound.

The building's interior will require "full abatement" of hazardous materials, including presumed asbestos-containing materials. The electrical, plumbing and other systems will also need to be replaced.

More at The Tennessean here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/davidson/2022/06/08/metro-buys-20-3-m-former-tennessee-school-blind/7459920001/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022.06.09 NASH&utm_term=NASHtoday Subscribers - MASTER
 

[Baronakim]

47 minutes ago, markhollin said:

Metro Council has approved the purchase of the former Nashville School for the Blind's 2.6 acre campus at 88 Hermitage Ave.  from the state for $20.3 million.  It could've been purchased  for half of that in 2019.

Metro officials said the city could partner with the Metropolitan Development and Housing Agency, which owns an adjoining parcel, to create up to 350 housing units on the 2.6-acre parcel surrounding the historic building along the Cumberland River in the Rolling Mill Hill neighborhood.

After the purchase is finalized, a technical feasibility study will consider the structure of that housing and potential uses for the existing buildings.

Designs to renovate the 17,000-square-foot building into an office or similar use could cost around $8.8 million, not including site work, according to a report released last week.

The modern interior of the vacant building is in disrepair, damaged by vandalism and by people experiencing homelessness who sought shelter there. Inspectors say the building's overall structure, much of which is made of poured concrete, remains sound.

The building's interior will require "full abatement" of hazardous materials, including presumed asbestos-containing materials. The electrical, plumbing and other systems will also need to be replaced.

More at The Tennessean here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/davidson/2022/06/08/metro-buys-20-3-m-former-tennessee-school-blind/7459920001/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022.06.09 NASH&utm_term=NASHtoday Subscribers - MASTER
 

 

Why bother saving this?  This is a piece of junk of no architectural significance of beauty and dubious historic value IMO.  This would have been better suited  as part of an urban park all the way down the hill to the riverbanks.  Really, do we need more housing on Rolling Mill Hill?