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Walking home from a stunning Mozart’s Requiem at the Schermerhorn last night. Had a pre-dawn Uber to BNA for a flight to SEA this morning!

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More images released of Hill Center Germantown  slated for mid-2022 groundbreaking at 416 Jefferson St. https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/notes-additional-images-released-for-ger

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H.G. Hill Realty will finally be developing the full 3.58 acre block at 416 Jefferson St. with $93.5 million 5th & Jefferson mixed-use project. It will include a 4 story structure with 110,000 sq.

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"The Gulch-SoBro bridge had been a subject of criticism for several years among Nashvillians who have demanded that more city investments should occur in neighborhoods, not just downtown."

I guess people don't consider downtown a neighborhood, even though, ya know people live down there?

Then the money immediately goes to the Charolette Pike-Rosa Parks bridge, which is... DOWNTOWN.  ha

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29 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Dont shoot the messenger.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2019/10/31/nashville-mayor-john-cooper-nixes-gulch-sobro-pedestrian-bridge/4097642002/

Glad to hear Cooper isn’t completely opposed to the bridge, and it does make sense to free up funding for other infrastructure needs if CSX won’t play ball with the city. 

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I think this is pandering for Cooper to be honest. It was approved years ago, right, in Dean's administration? Nothing really has happened since approval, and I bet Cooper knew CSX was making this next to impossible to do. So instead of it dragging out forever, he gets the headline of working for the residents, not downtown. 

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34 minutes ago, FromParkAveToTN said:

That's why I voted for Cooper.

I think the people in the Gulch will survive  without the bridge and from what I've seen down there, many of them could use the extra walking to get to SoBro. 

The stairs/elevator in Crossings sort of obviated this so I don't think too many people in the neighborhood will be devastated anyway. They should just widen the sidewalk on one side of the Demonbruen viaduct and be done with it.

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6 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I think we have done OK without the bridge for this long and the need is not that warranted, so let it RIP for now. The stairs at Gulch Crossing help a lot and the fact that the area around Cannery Row has cleaned up and is a lot safer now helps a lot now too.

I mean, you're right in that this was never "needed," per say.  The Gulch will be okay without it.  But it would have undoubtedly been a huge boon to that section of town, and investing in our neighborhoods in general... particularly into those which contribute most to the high profile and economic vitality of the city... is a good thing.  I just get the feeling that most people who are celebrating this move, like Ingram aren't celebrating it because they're pro neighborhood investment, but rather, because they're selfishly anti- any investment in any neighborhood that isn't their own.  If this bridge was being built in Germantown, or anywhere else full of "craft beer drinkers," there'd be just as much of a stink being raised.

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I'm not discounting the need for more seamless connectivity across the Gulch ─ better accessibility at both south and north portions of the Gulch, now starting to bust at the seams on both sides of that plateau of tracks.  This discussion of the pedestrian bridge  also could be linked to the Transportation thread, as it really relates to that subject as well.

To be fair about the Charlotte/Rosa Parks bridge deck, the bridge deck issue constitutes an infrastructure urgency for downtown and general transport.  Although that portion of Charlotte is not designated as a state highway, it does cross one ─ that same portion of Rosa Parks (US-31/431/41).  The state itself might have some responsibility, IDK, but it is my understanding that generally municipalities maintain the portions passing through their jurisdictions (with some state assistance perhaps, contingent upon the needs and plans).

The bridge carrying 12th Ave. South over I-40 (South Gulch) also is in need of structural repair, and, as a pedestrian over that bridge, I have witnessed several holes of missing concrete at the pedestrian deck itself.  Just saying that many deficiencies in frastructure have developed city-wide, while Metro has become cash-strapped in addressing certain types of ongoing and incurring responsibilities.  G.O.B.'s (General Obligation Bonds) is a common means of funding costly capital improvement projects, but if the city is in the plight that has been reportedly disclosed, then reallocation, if legal, is at least a partially tenable means of, but not a solution to, addressing some of the more urgent needs, that just cannot keep getting deferred indefinitely.  If the city could have been successful by consensus in referendum with a forged transportation plan emphasizing more than focusing on transit, then it might not have been as far "up the creek" as it appears, let alone by the appearance of lopsided localized effects by TIF.

Notwithstanding the notoriety of CSXT in not coming to terms on Air Rights and bridge piers over and directly on its property, an upside of the nixing of the long-awaited ped bridge is that in the long run, it may be more beneficial to more inclusive long-term consolidated transport needs within the Gulch area, including but not limited to transit.  If Nashville, with both State and Federal assistance (perhaps wishful thinking by a long shot), were to implement an integrated and multi-modal transport system ─ local and regional ─ with the prospect of eventually reinstating intercity passenger rail into middle Tennessee (lost in Oct. 1979) along with including intercity bus (Greyhound), then deferring (but not cancelling) the construction of the ped bridge, could be a blessing in disguise.  Piece-meal planning of the ped bridge without regard to other related land-use possibilities has been a sore point with me since it was considered some 7 years ago.

In the long run, it might even be feasible to incorporate Union Station into scalable transport plans, before complete loss of Gulch property through CSXT industrial real estate becomes a reality.  The fact that the transit referendum failed decisively also seems to have galvanized multiple jurisdictions to become involved in a more regional approach.   That in turn makes consensus on funding much more difficult, even for regional transport, let alone local.  The ped bridge should be revisited, with transit mobility as well, because, once the bridge is built, it could become counterproductive to incorporating other land-use plans around it.

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1 minute ago, UTgrad09 said:

The Gulch bridge was really an unnecessary project. Given the budget situation, nixing it seems like a no-brainer.

I really was trying to be a tad "delicate" about it myself.  I just ride the coattails of others who call a spade a spade..:)

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No, that's simply not going to happen, with or without CSXT cooperation.  It's not even a realistic consideration, and not even much larger and older cities have capped over that much existing railroad property ─ not even Chicago, or Queens.

Kick 'em out of town.  I don't think even developers and most anti-transit would push for that.  It's a necessary evil that has potential to be manipulated into assets far beyond mere surface-travel and redev use, believe it or not.

5 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Can we just cap the rail roads through there or kick them out of town. It would solve a lot of other connections problems in the city. 

They were fine 20-30 years ago where they were, now they just cause more problems than anything.

I do share your frustration though, if you live anywhere near 4th Ave. S. and Chestnut St. in Wedgewood-Houston.  That has to be one of most aggravating and "confounding" local urban surface road snafu's in the entire region, exacerbated with the one-way restriction of 2nd and 4th avenues.   It is the only known layout within the urban core where no alternative roadway bypass provision exists nearby and where two primary intersecting roadways each cross the same main rail trunk line (the CSXT Chattanooga Sub-Division out of Nashville Terminal).  Making matters worse is the fact that trains often are stopped westbound or northbound to await either clearance or a crew change at Kayne Ave.  Yard (South Gulch).  They also stop eastbound as well, waiting for clearance to proceed, or to clear the rail interchange for other train movements at Oak Street, where routes diverge for trains to go either east across Chestnut and 4th or south to Craighead, Vine Hill, and Radnor.

Just a month ago I got caught traveling west on Chestnut by a stopped train.  Fortunately with traffic already backed up to gridlock as far east as 2nd and 3rd, I had enough sense (and the opportunity) to detour along 3rd, and double back north to McCann St., then zig-zag on 4th to Oak St and then "dogleg" at 6th across the overpass to Bass St and the Adventure Science Center.  But that does not serve locals who must gain access to 4th anywhere between Chestnut and Houston St.  You're just stuck, period.

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7 minutes ago, rookzie said:

Kick 'em out of town.  I don't think even developers and most anti-transit would push for that.  It's a necessary evil that has potential to be manipulated into assets far beyond mere surface-travel and redev use, believe it or not.

Has CSX shown a willingness to work with anybody on anything in a timely manner though?

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