Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

[49er]

Looks like a separate office tower. 

[CLT Development]

1 hour ago, atlrvr said:

I see two different projects submitted.  Which is that, office or multi-family (or single tower mixed-use with different entrances??)

And wow.....taller than I would have guessed.
 

And thank you!

That's shorter than an office building likely would be, I would think this is the residential, though its tall for residential 

[Madison Parkitect]

48 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

That's shorter than an office building likely would be, I would think this is the residential, though its tall for residential 

Yeah, that's a weird one. Maybe there's a crown or something on top but even if you take off 20-ish feet for that you're still at about 11 feet per floor. That's like right in the middle between a high residential floor and a low office floor.

[J-Rob]

could it be mixed use like the FNB Tower? Or maybe office above parking? lol.

Edited May 24, 2023 by J-Rob

[CLT Development]

55 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said:

Yeah, that's a weird one. Maybe there's a crown or something on top but even if you take off 20-ish feet for that you're still at about 11 feet per floor. That's like right in the middle between a high residential floor and a low office floor.

Its possible the lower height would be because of a 10 floor parking deck, yuck.

[go_vertical]

8 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

Its possible the lower height would be because of a 10 floor parking deck, yuck.

Pretty much par for the course with this project.

[Madison Parkitect]

48 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

Its possible the lower height would be because of a 10 floor parking deck, yuck.

Oh yeah, that's true. Of course they'd add ANOTHER parking deck.

[atlrvr]

Project Description:

605 SOUTH MINT & 610 SOUTH CHURCH MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, PEDESTRIAN AND AMENITY ZONES

Exact Site Area:

3.70

Current Zoning:

UMUD

Does the development parcel include a FEMA or Community Floodplain?:

No

# of Residential Units:

284

# of Parking Spaces:

1092

Office Space:

330000

Retail Space:

23429

Open Space:

3960

Exact Disturbed Area:

3.7

New Impervious Area (per Tree Ordinance):

0

New Trees (per Tree Ordinance):

0

Undisturbed Tree Save Area (acres):

0

TIS Study Required - Daily Trips 2500 or more:

No

Number of New or Reconstructed Driveways:

3

Driveway Permit:

YES

Offsite Tree Save Mitigation:

0

Project Due Date:

06/16/2023

 

[Madison Parkitect]

4 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Exact Site Area:

3.70

Current Zoning:

UMUD

Does the development parcel include a FEMA or Community Floodplain?:

No

# of Residential Units:

284

# of Parking Spaces:

1092

Office Space:

330000

Retail Space:

23429

Open Space:

3960

Exact Disturbed Area:

3.7

New Impervious Area (per Tree Ordinance):

0

New Trees (per Tree Ordinance):

0

Undisturbed Tree Save Area (acres):

0

TIS Study Required - Daily Trips 2500 or more:

No

Number of New or Reconstructed Driveways:

3

Driveway Permit:

YES

Offsite Tree Save Mitigation:

0

Project Due Date:

06/16/2023

 

1092 parking spaces for 284 residences haha oh my god. LH does it again.

[AltNative]

my prediction: two towers sitting on a 10(?) story parking podium that stretches from Mint to Church

 

[go_vertical]

1 hour ago, Madison Parkitect said:

1092 parking spaces for 284 residences haha oh my god. LH does it again.

 

[KJHburg]

surely that parking is also for 330,000 sq ft of office space as well and that is quite a bit of retail for those 2 towers.   But finally a residential tower on the Legacy site.   How does this equate to 39 stories?  10-12 of parking and ground floor retail than the tower atop that?  Honestly that is not that big of an office tower smaller than 110 East in terms of space.  

[stw52]

I remember when Legacy Union launched and there was great fanfare with BlueLine riders handed mock newspapers with the breaking story of a new  area for Uptown.  Have to sadly laugh now as it is the least used area in Uptown by the public. Its a whimper of what  it was sold as.  I don't see 284 apartments drastically changing anything.

Parked in the mega deck once, absolute nightmare trying to get out. Never again.

Edited May 24, 2023 by stw52

[15895]

1 hour ago, stw52 said:

I remember when Legacy Union launched and there was great fanfare with BlueLine riders handed mock newspapers with the breaking story of a new  area for Uptown.  Have to sadly laugh now as it is the least used area in Uptown by the public. Its a whimper of what  it was sold as.  I don't see 284 apartments drastically changing anything.

Parked in the mega deck once, absolute nightmare trying to get out. Never again.

[my post isn’t direct at you other than I agree with you]

I’ve said many times. Development is very different than urban planning. Pro-Development is very different from Pro-Urbanity. Pro-Developer is not Pro-Charlotte. 

It’s not a bad thing to hold developers accountable. They are coming into our neighborhoods. And our investments, tax payer dollars, entrepreneurs afford them an opportunity to be a part of our communities. Additionally, it just makes sense to make a good development for the longevity of performance of your property and future rent increases etc. higher lane values; so there’s even an economic incentive to build right. 

Developments will come to Charlotte for many reasons. Demanding buildings fit the character of a neighborhood (or vision) will not make them just not build. In fact, Lenders are perfectly fine to accommodate any municipality as they want to maintain good relationships with housing authorities as Affordable Housing is where a lot of $$$ is… they don’t want to piss off governmental housing agencies… So we just have to demand better…

Good urbanity is good urbanity. Look at the positives of urbanity around the country. Look at the good around the country. Stop searching out false narratives that aren’t even true [and some so false it’s practically a lie], put down the Ranking list because it’s all full of crap & focus on good urbanity because citizens & neighbors do make a huge difference. As cheesy as that sounds - collectively, we make a difference (hello - look at the intown NIMBY’s. They know the drill…). No more defending developers when they build crap. And such a shame this was a crazy, ridiculously once in a life time project they built with dream tenants. It all could’ve been accomplished with a better integration into the city and contributed to vibrancy and not lost a single one of those corporate tenants. We could’ve had all the jobs and more. 

Anyway. That’s my corny soap box. Challenge the system, challenge the process and demand better. We can’t rely on the benevolency of developers (some who have done fantastic mind you and made special areas - looking at crescent among others).

[CLT Development]

“We are calling it Legacy Union because we want to honor our past and celebrate the promise of Charlotte’s future,” said Johno Harris, president of Lincoln Harris. “The word ‘Legacy’ is a nod to this community’s great history, and ‘Union’ reflects our intent to make this a destination where people can come and enjoy an open space activated with amenities. We want the development and plaza to reflect great public gathering places like you see in London, Paris and Rome.”

“We’re building something special that will transform the most prominent gateway into Uptown,” said Harris. “We’re using stone to evoke tradition, and glass to bring a modern feel. We want to make this a place where people want to be, meeting friends, doing business, relaxing or gearing up for a Panthers game.”

[CLT Development]

https://twitter.com/CLTdevelopment/status/1661526175238311937?s=20

I'll take a retweet too. 

[Nathan2]

This is embarrassing. The city won't thrive when you are surrounded by parking garages and half-assed attempts at retail and plazas. It's embarrassing that we have a city that is perfectly fine with sitting back and letting developers put in whatever low-quality crap they want. Do they even look at their policies when approving this stuff? Is  Vision zero,  a reduction in car commutes by 50%, and climate change emissions reductions just words they put in fancy presentations for the hell of it? Besides a few good developments going in the city seems to be fumbling on almost every level. 

[Madison Parkitect]

15 minutes ago, Nathan2 said:

This is embarrassing. The city won't thrive when you are surrounded by parking garages and half-assed attempts at retail and plazas. It's embarrassing that we have a city that is perfectly fine with sitting back and letting developers put in whatever low-quality crap they want. Do they even look at their policies when approving this stuff? Is  Vision zero,  a reduction in car commutes by 50%, and climate change emissions reductions just words they put in fancy presentations for the hell of it? Besides a few good developments going in the city seems to be fumbling on almost every level. 

The city doesn't have anything to approve or disapprove with this, it's by-right for the zoning and since we don't have any parking maximum rules a developer can put as much parking as they want. The city also (probably a good thing on the whole) also doesn't have any say on design aesthetics.

[Nathan2]

5 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said:

The city doesn't have anything to approve or disapprove with this, it's by-right for the zoning and since we don't have any parking maximum rules a developer can put as much parking as they want. The city also (probably a good thing on the whole) also doesn't have any say on design aesthetics.

I understand it's byright. That doesn't excuse them for creating policies that allow this type of development to occur. 

[QCxpat]

Today 8:50 a.m.

Edited May 25, 2023 by QCxpat

[RANYC]

To the extent our issues with LU's design show up with other projects in the future, perhaps they might be addressed by a proposed UDO provision made by Braxton Winston a couple years back.  At the time, he suggested capping building heights in uptown to 20 stories I believe, and then negotiating "community benefit agreements" with developers wanting to exceed such heights in uptown.  If I recall correctly, it's not that he was against tall buildings, I think he was looking for an opportunity to assert some leverage in design and place-making for especially intense projects versus a design review for every single project.  

[Hushpuppy321]

With the timing of the Land Use & Foundation Permits, would it be reasonable to speculate that LH may try to start Construction within the next year on these Towers?  Are we talking about 2 separate or 1 mixed use building?

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

No hotel on LU is just crazy. Business travel is picking up big time let alone all the events at the stadium. You’d think BOA, Honeywell, Deloitte etc would want a nice hotel onsite. No wonder JW is always jam packed. With all the corporate power in that area, would have been a good opportunity for a new flagship. The old duke site is going to be residential. Guess the only nearby potential for a hotel would be the mint parking deck whenever that gets redeveloped. 

[DJ8hep]

The progress today!

 

[Matthew.Brendan]

Really branching out with that overall aesthetic.