Miesian Corners Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 What would be really great for North Tryon is for it to grow organically and piecemeal. Quite honestly, I'm tired of mega projects. What uptown Charlotte sorely lacks is smaller-scale development that thrives with locally-owned and operated restaurants and shops. Not everything has to be mega-malled to work. Not everything needs to have a "theme". Just imagine what it could look like with multiple owners using multiple architects; varying articulations and heights in facades, different building materials--with none of it looking like Epicentre. What a refreshing change that would be! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew.Brendan Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 You know I've thought a lot about that and sadly I just don't see it happening. Maybe after some undefined critical mass is reached and there is enough people to truly support a lot of different shops. Until then I think we see time and time again what happens to small businesses downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miesian Corners Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) You know I've thought a lot about that and sadly I just don't see it happening. Maybe after some undefined critical mass is reached and there is enough people to truly support a lot of different shops. Until then I think we see time and time again what happens to small businesses downtown. But it happens in other cities. Downtowns in Portland, Austin, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Des Moines, Omaha, Columbus, and Indianapolis--all our size or smaller--have substantial amounts of local retailers. But that's because not every place (thank God) is a themed master-planned project charging $60 per square foot to lease a storefront. Edited December 21, 2013 by Miesian Corners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/21/4561048/no-surge-in-conventions-after.html#.UrZHfWRDsx0 Does this mean we can get a move on with the various hotel projects around uptown PLEASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15895 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/21/4561048/no-surge-in-conventions-after.html#.UrZHfWRDsx0 Does this mean we can get a move on with the various hotel projects around uptown PLEASE I'm not even going to beat the dead horse of mentioning crescent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowensone Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Sorry, I'll try to post in a fashion that meets your approval in the future. ? I was making fun of myself, if you did that also I didn't notice man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanity Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 What would be really great for North Tryon is for it to grow organically and piecemeal. Quite honestly, I'm tired of mega projects. What uptown Charlotte sorely lacks is smaller-scale development that thrives with locally-owned and operated restaurants and shops. Not everything has to be mega-malled to work. Not everything needs to have a "theme". Just imagine what it could look like with multiple owners using multiple architects; varying articulations and heights in facades, different building materials--with none of it looking like Epicentre. What a refreshing change that would be! Hear! Hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Just out of curiosity: So the big church owns the lot thats surrounded by Pine, 5th, Trade and Poplar right? Why would they never sell it? Couldn't whoever the buyer/developer is have in the contract that some parking garage (or below grade parking) will guarantee a specific number of spots on sundays and another amount during the week? Seems like a simple solution to get this land developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner National Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Just out of curiosity: So the big church owns the lot thats surrounded by Pine, 5th, Trade and Poplar right? Why would they never sell it? Couldn't whoever the buyer/developer is have in the contract that some parking garage (or below grade parking) will guarantee a specific number of spots on sundays and another amount during the week? Seems like a simple solution to get this land developed. Parking spots can cost thousands of dollars each in a parking garage, so guaranteeing hundreds of spots to the church could be quite costly. I doubt many of their members live in Uptown and walk to service. Another thing to consider is this: since the church owns that land, they do not pay taxes on it, making their parking operation far more lucrative than most other lots in the city. They theoretically should be paying taxes on the parking revenue they generate, but with all the loopholes available in the tax code, it wouldn't surprise me if they've found a work around, making their operation even more profitable. Someone would really have to make them a hell of an offer for them to sell that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Fair enough. That sucks, so that will probably be a parking lot forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southslider Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 At least Poplar is converting to two-way, in spite of the church's objections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel911 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 The main objections by the Church were around safety for child daycare pick up and drop off which sounds reasonable. This is the oldest uptown daycare program (going back to the 1950's) and is a core to the mission of the church. So traffic patterns that can directly impact operations were a concern. Daycare uptown is an asset to everyone especially after BAC closed its daycare. Secondly, the church obtained control of the parking areas a long time ago when there was very little investment in uptown as developers and others were focusing on the suburbs including the city government. Several churches left uptown for the suburbs as this church continued to reinvest in its location and uptown mission focus. Therefore it may not be equitable to force or encourage a long time investor in uptown to change strategies because development economics have changed over the past five years. Remember the church was the first church in uptown dating back to 1821. That being said, I believe the church will eventually develop the site for church use. BAC developed the Transamerica site and gave rights to parking for the adjacent church. In 1995 this seemed like a long term commitment from a long term uptown investor (BAC). But with the recent liquidation of BAC's uptown real estate it shows that a development partner's focus can change. This is not a slam on BAC but just an example that real estate portfolios change over time. So it can be difficult for a church that needs parking to enter into an agreement with a development partner and be assured that its parking will be available for another 100 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Heads up to those who may still be driving uptown http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/27/4570529/todays-traffic-truck-wreck-clogs.html#.Ur2BmGRDsx0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vassago Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Heads up to those who may still be driving uptown http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/27/4570529/todays-traffic-truck-wreck-clogs.html#.Ur2BmGRDsx0 It's good to hear that the Polk Building is finally getting some use. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/27/4570527/police-standoff-under-way-in-uptown.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's good to hear that the Polk Building is finally getting some use. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/27/4570527/police-standoff-under-way-in-uptown.html Posted that in the thread for the building (see thread below this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vassago Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Posted that in the thread for the building (see thread below this) missed that, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 missed that, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) I drove by the site yesterday and it seems like there has been no progress lately on the construction for the embassy suites by the Nascar HOF....does anyone have any updates? Edited December 27, 2013 by Jayvee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlrvr Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Embassy Suites is still in its Land Use approval phase. They submitted required documents within the last 2 weeks, so it seems like it is still moving forward. I'd estimate construction in 2Q14 at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTProductions Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Slow and steady wins the race I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar2 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Hear! Hear! I believe it would be nice to have more small cafes and small bistros around the uptown area. The problem is the cost of operating a business. To have a small uptown is requires one to rent space in a large building where the lease is costly. Unfortunately, this drives out old businesses and discourages new 'small' businesses. I live in London half the time and I have noticed many of my 'old' favorite small restaurants moving out and being replaced by pizza chains and other large volume places. It would be nice to see more places like Latta Arcade develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar2 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I have been away for a long time and I have been unable to find out what is happening with the following locations. Would someone update me? 1. The space on N.Tryon just beyond Day's Inn on the left heading north. 2. The space on S. Tryon and 2nd (I believe) that is now empty but was Westbrook Ins. and Pound and Moore Co. 3. The tire place on Tryon (Firestone or Goodyear?) 4. The open spaces on the south side of Morehead near the stadium. Any updates would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 I have been away for a long time and I have been unable to find out what is happening with the following locations. Would someone update me? 1. The space on N.Tryon just beyond Day's Inn on the left heading north. 2. The space on S. Tryon and 2nd (I believe) that is now empty but was Westbrook Ins. and Pound and Moore Co. 3. The tire place on Tryon (Firestone or Goodyear?) 4. The open spaces on the south side of Morehead near the stadium. Any updates would be much appreciated. 1- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/31786-skyhouse-charlotte-at-former-renaissance-place-site/ 2- Not sure which project you're talking about, but I'm guessing 300 S Tryon: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/3971-300-south-tryon/?view=findpost&p=1074002&hl=%2B300+%2Bsouth+%2Btryon 3- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/35729-crescent-project-at-tryon-stonewall-formerly-trump-charlotte/ 4- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/10863-freemore-projects-west-morehead-freedom-drive-bryant-park/?view=findpost&p=1261678&hl=%2Bfoundry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar2 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 1- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/31786-skyhouse-charlotte-at-former-renaissance-place-site/ 2- Not sure which project you're talking about, but I'm guessing 300 S Tryon: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/3971-300-south-tryon/?view=findpost&p=1074002&hl=%2B300+%2Bsouth+%2Btryon 3- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/35729-crescent-project-at-tryon-stonewall-formerly-trump-charlotte/ 4- http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/topic/10863-freemore-projects-west-morehead-freedom-drive-bryant-park/?view=findpost&p=1261678&hl=%2Bfoundry Spartan, thanks very much for the updates. I am disappointed that the 300 S. Tryon has been on hold so long and still remains vacant, although those "Honeymooners" structures (outside of Latta Arcade) on the south side are really cool. Everything else is exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopHead Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 It looks like Ballantyne Corporate Park is likely getting yet ANOTHER 11-story building per this posting from Eric Frazier: http://cltdevelopment.blogspot.com/2014/01/is-ballantyne-getting-new-11-story.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Come on now uptown... where's that spec office space that Bissell has no problem building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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