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[orange87]

Florida's minimum wage increased to $12/hr on September 30th of this year, much to the chagrin of the Florida GOP.

Edited October 4, 2023 by orange87

[Ivanhoe]

I didn’t know where to put this so I’ll stick it here if anyone wishes to read up further on homeless legislation by states and how they go about criminalizing homelessness by implicitly enacting legislation that actually pushes the homeless to the worst areas:

https://homelesslaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-HNH-State-Crim-Supplement.pdf
 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Ivanhoe

[orange87]

U.S. Supreme Court puts Florida sports betting plan on hold

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/10/12/u-s-supreme-court-puts-florida-sports-betting-plan-on-hold/?utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2023%2f10%2f12%2fu-s-supreme-court-puts-florida-sports-betting-plan-on-hold%2f&utm_campaign=os-breaking-news&utm_content=alert

[orange87]

It looks like Florida could have three excellent ballot initiatives in November 2024.

- Protect abortion access
- Legalize recreational marijuana
- Expand Medicaid

Those three will make a huge impact for Florida.

Florida's laws have been getting more liberal through ballot initiatives for years now, much to the chagrin of the Florida GOP.

[shardoon]

On 10/12/2023 at 5:47 PM, orange87 said:

U.S. Supreme Court puts Florida sports betting plan on hold

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/10/12/u-s-supreme-court-puts-florida-sports-betting-plan-on-hold/?utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2023%2f10%2f12%2fu-s-supreme-court-puts-florida-sports-betting-plan-on-hold%2f&utm_campaign=os-breaking-news&utm_content=alert

So, it looks like they had to respond by Oct 18th. Curious if they remove the stay if no adequate response. 

[jrs2]

On 10/10/2023 at 7:08 PM, Ivanhoe said:

I didn’t know where to put this so I’ll stick it here if anyone wishes to read up further on homeless legislation by states and how they go about criminalizing homelessness by implicitly enacting legislation that actually pushes the homeless to the worst areas:

https://homelesslaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-HNH-State-Crim-Supplement.pdf
 

 

Maybe Democrats should revist the Sanctuary City mandate.  Instead of acting like they actually give a rip for immigrants,  why not have Sanctuary Cities spend their resources on the homeless instead and close up the border?

[Ivanhoe]

26 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Maybe Democrats should revist the Sanctuary City mandate.  Instead of acting like they actually give a rip for immigrants,  why not have Sanctuary Cities spend their resources on the homeless instead and close up the border?

The link to the  study I shared is about homelessness, not immigration and sanctuary cities.  Also, it was not a study about political affiliations. Did you even open it?

Just sayin’ since you quoted it to share your interesting view on a federal border problem.

[jrs2]

1 minute ago, Ivanhoe said:

The link to the  study I shared is about homelessness, not immigration and sanctuary cities.  Also, it was not a study about political affiliations. Did you even open it?

Just sayin’ since you quoted it to share your interesting view on a federal border problem.

It's a pdf.

And the border- it's a federal problem that Biden created. You can't undue a border wall initiative Trump pushed then throw it into the general federal problem category so that Biden can wash his hands of it and his constituents can pat each other on the back about because the egg isn't on their face, rather on everyone's face.

Biden acts like he just discovered this "problem," when he created it...and everybody knows it.

And if there's not enough resources feeding and housing and insuring US citizens in need, i.e., homeless, then stop giving those benefits to illegals and give them to these US citizens instead. It's a simple equation. Stop letting them in and give that money to the homeless instead.

[JFW657]

50 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

It's a pdf.

And the border- it's a federal problem that Biden created. You can't undue a border wall initiative Trump pushed then throw it into the general federal problem category so that Biden can wash his hands of it and his constituents can pat each other on the back about because the egg isn't on their face, rather on everyone's face.

Biden acts like he just discovered this "problem," when he created it...and everybody knows it.

And if there's not enough resources feeding and housing and insuring US citizens in need, i.e., homeless, then stop giving those benefits to illegals and give them to these US citizens instead. It's a simple equation. Stop letting them in and give that money to the homeless instead.

Utter uninformed, substance lacking, hogwash nonsense. 

There was a border problem long before Biden. That is what everybody knows. 

Trump's border wall was never a realistic solution. The cost would have been astronomical and there would have been large gaps in it due to terrain issues anyway, which would merely force illegals to cross at  different location. 

And even the parts that got built....

 

....proved to be ineffective. 

And no, it is not a simple equation. The border is over 2,000 miles long. You cannot seal off 2,000 miles without spending a fortune in materials for a barrier and manpower to build it, then stand guard over it after it's built. 

It's just a grossly and completely over simplistic notion that it can be easily and inexpensively done.

Trump conned you people and sold you a bill of goods with that wall nonsense because he knew that his voting base would be easily duped clods who'd believe anything he said. 

 

[jrs2]

11 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Utter uninformed, substance lacking, hogwash nonsense. 

There was a border problem long before Biden. That is what everybody knows. 

Trump's border wall was never a realistic solution. The cost would have been astronomical and there would have been large gaps in it due to terrain issues anyway, which would merely force illegals to cross at  different location. 

And even the parts that got built....

 

....proved to be ineffective. 

And no, it is not a simple equation. The border is over 2,000 miles long. You cannot seal off 2,000 miles without spending a fortune in materials for a barrier and manpower to build it, then stand guard over it after it's built. 

It's just a grossly and completely over simplistic notion that it can be easily and inexpensively done.

Trump conned you people and sold you a bill of goods with that wall nonsense because he knew that his voting base would be easily duped clods who'd believe anything he said. 

 

Well, this duped clod sees that Biden's answer is to do absolutely nothing and actually help facilitate illegal immigration by not only providing safe passage and money, but also transit to wherever they choose to go. Sorry, I deal in immigration and what I hear from family members trying to get family over here is astounding. It comports to what Jr said about his border wall visit, and what Fox reports on. It also comports to what Mayor Eric Adams has seen in the reasons for his visit. It comports with everything from the world of reality and logic...except here on Urban Planet.

No need for your passive aggressive insults either.  And, Jr reported on the low percentage of lTinos and high percentage of others coming through, and ICE has already found several members of terror organizations.  And this is Biden's fault for increasing the rate just to check the box off of the Leftist Ten Commandments.

How you can sit there and make excuses for it is beyond me.  Woo hoo for a Biden second term!

[JFW657]

43 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Well, this duped clod sees that Biden's answer is to do absolutely nothing and actually help facilitate illegal immigration by not only providing safe passage and money, but also transit to wherever they choose to go. Sorry, I deal in immigration and what I hear from family members trying to get family over here is astounding. It comports to what Jr said about his border wall visit, and what Fox reports on. It also comports to what Mayor Eric Adams has seen in the reasons for his visit. It comports with everything from the world of reality and logic...except here on Urban Planet.

Bullcrap.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-new-actions-increase-border

The difference between Biden and the xenophobic bigots of Trumpyland, is that Biden wants to make it easier for those who want to come here to work and live peacefully, to attain LEGAL status, while the Trumper bigots want to keep it as impossible for them to enter the US as they can, because they just don't want them here period.  Legally or otherwise. 

And for the record, I have no idea who "Jr" is. It would be nice if you'd write in plain English if you're expecting people to know what you're talking about. 

That having been said, I found it truly amusing how you said  "It comports to..... what Fox reports on." as if that is something which suggests validity.  

58 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

No need for your passive aggressive insults either.  And, Jr reported on the low percentage of lTinos and high percentage of others coming through, and ICE has already found several members of terror organizations.  And this is Biden's fault for increasing the rate just to check the box off of the Leftist Ten Commandments.

How you can sit there and make excuses for it is beyond me.  Woo hoo for a Biden second term!

If ICE is discovering them, then they are being stopped, detained, arrested and/or deported. 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-border-terrorist-watchlist-630330935018

But of course residents of Trumpyland don't deal in facts or the truth.

They only deal in hyperbole, exaggeration and misinformation.

Truth is something that is a foreign concept to them. 

And BTW, can you name or recall one terrorist attack on US soil that was carried out by a terrorist who crossed the southern border?  

[jrs2]

5 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Bullcrap.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-new-actions-increase-border

The difference between Biden and the xenophobic bigots of Trumpyland, is that Biden wants to make it easier for those who want to come here to work and live peacefully, to attain LEGAL status, while the Trumper bigots want to keep it as impossible for them to enter the US as they can, because they just don't want them here period.  Legally or otherwise. 

And for the record, I have no idea who "Jr" is. It would be nice if you'd write in plain English if you're expecting people to know what you're talking about. 

That having been said, I found it truly amusing how you said  "It comports to..... what Fox reports on." as if that is something which suggests validity.  

If ICE is discovering them, then they are being stopped, detained, arrested and/or deported. 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-border-terrorist-watchlist-630330935018

But of course residents of Trumpyland don't deal in facts or the truth.

They only deal in hyperbole, exaggeration and misinformation.

Truth is something that is a foreign concept to them. 

And BTW, can you name or recall one terrorist attack on US soil that was carried out by a terrorist who crossed the southern border?  

So I guess this is going to be one of those "alternative facts" scenarios then.  Jr is RFK Jr.  How many other Jr's do you know of that have been mentioned in the coffee House recently? None.

As for validity, since CNN was pushing the Russian Collusion narrative and it has since reluctantly been exposed as a fraud, then CNN is also a fraud.  Not to mention their fake polls in 2016 showing Hillary winning by double digits when in fact Trump was.  

Let's face it, Democrats don't care about fraud so long as their party is the one in office.  Biden created the current Hamas situation; he magnified the border problem which caused two democrat mayors to go to the border.  You are the one living the delusion, the PC Socialist delusion.  And now that same delusion is being exposed for all to see with the antisemitism exhibited by democrats.  Wow.  If Trump was ill advised to criticize the CIA in 2016, then being antisemitic will sound the death knell to the democratic party, the party of racism, Socialism, antisemitism, and authoritarianism.

Anybody that is sane sees all this.  Maintaining an open border is Socialism 101.  See Europe.  Making excuses for it in support of it makes you...drum roll...a Socialist, acting like a crony capitalist conservative Republican.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

So I guess this is going to be one of those "alternative facts" scenarios then.  Jr is RFK Jr.  How many other Jr's do you know of that have been mentioned in the coffee House recently? None.

My friend, I've got too many other things on my mind to remember who and what was discussed on EVERY ONE OF the political forums I argue with extremist nutjobs from both sides on. 

Would typing out those extra three letters really been too much effort for you? 

Seriously.  

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

As for validity, since CNN was pushing the Russian Collusion narrative and it has since reluctantly been exposed as a fraud, then CNN is also a fraud.  Not to mention their fake polls in 2016 showing Hillary winning by double digits when in fact Trump was.  

The only thing about the Russian collusion narrative that is a deliberate fraud, is the Trumper claims that the Russian collusion narrative was "exposed as a fraud". I'm not saying that Trump definitely engaged in collusion with The Kremlin, but saying that he definitely didn't is no more valid than saying that he did.

Only Trump and The Kremlin know for sure.

But Trumpers have no interest in the truth or reality of anything, especially anything that has to do with Trump or politics. So your hyperbolic misinformation about the collusion narrative being "exposed" is just more BS for me to shake my head and roll my eyes at. 

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Let's face it, Democrats don't care about fraud so long as their party is the one in office.  Biden created the current Hamas situation; he magnified the border problem which caused two democrat mayors to go to the border.  You are the one living the delusion, the PC Socialist delusion.  And now that same delusion is being exposed for all to see with the antisemitism exhibited by democrats.  Wow.  If Trump was ill advised to criticize the CIA in 2016, then being antisemitic will sound the death knell to the democratic party, the party of racism, Socialism, antisemitism, and authoritarianism.

Anybody that is sane sees all this.  Maintaining an open border is Socialism 101.  See Europe.  Making excuses for it in support of it makes you...drum roll...a Socialist, acting like a crony capitalist conservative Republican.

All just more raving Trumper lunatic nonsense not worth addressing. 

Ta - ta. 

[jrs2]

On 10/24/2023 at 8:08 PM, JFW657 said:

My friend, I've got too many other things on my mind to remember who and what was discussed on EVERY ONE OF the political forums I argue with extremist nutjobs from both sides on. 

Would typing out those extra three letters really been too much effort for you? 

Seriously.  

The only thing about the Russian collusion narrative that is a deliberate fraud, is the Trumper claims that the Russian collusion narrative was "exposed as a fraud". I'm not saying that Trump definitely engaged in collusion with The Kremlin, but saying that he definitely didn't is no more valid than saying that he did.

Only Trump and The Kremlin know for sure.

But Trumpers have no interest in the truth or reality of anything, especially anything that has to do with Trump or politics. So your hyperbolic misinformation about the collusion narrative being "exposed" is just more BS for me to shake my head and roll my eyes at. 

All just more raving Trumper lunatic nonsense not worth addressing. 

Ta - ta. 

truth versus narrative.  that seems to be the major sticking point on UP on many issues.  yes, I was lazy in not typing out RF & K.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

truth versus narrative.  that seems to be the major sticking point on UP on many issues.  yes, I was lazy in not typing out RF & K.

One man's truth is another man's narrative.

Honest people who deal in reality see which is which. 

[jrs2]

43 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

One man's truth is another man's narrative.

Honest people who deal in reality see which is which. 

...according to their parameters of what defines reality to them; it doesn't necessarily mean that its truth.  the problem that I find is that most people have their bubbles set up and don't want to entertain or acknowledge anything that bursts it or even challenges it.  and what's so funny about that is that a person's bubble is dictated by propaganda.  most everything has been propagandized, and I do acknowledge that...

[orange87]

DeSantis's response to the Maine mass shooting is that "more people need to be institutionalized" and Democrats "weak on crime policies" caused the Maine mass shooting. Literally everything else is to blame except weak gun laws. Fortunately it looks like Maine may ban assault weapons and enact other gun control policies.

Edited October 28, 2023 by orange87

[jgardnerucf]

1 hour ago, orange87 said:

Maine may ban assault weapons

Do ar-15's have gps'es? 

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, orange87 said:

DeSantis's response to the Maine mass shooting is that "more people need to be institutionalized" and Democrats "weak on crime policies" caused the Maine mass shooting. Literally everything else is to blame except weak gun laws. Fortunately it looks like Maine may ban assault weapons and enact other gun control policies.

Florida needs to ban Ron DeSantis.  

Or at least his mouth. 

[Ivanhoe]

25 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Florida needs to ban Ron DeSantis.  

Or at least his mouth. 

Actually, running his mouth on a national level has effectively reduced any chance he has at being taken seriously. I say encourage it.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Ivanhoe

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, orange87 said:

DeSantis's response to the Maine mass shooting is that "more people need to be institutionalized" and Democrats "weak on crime policies" caused the Maine mass shooting. Literally everything else is to blame except weak gun laws. Fortunately it looks like Maine may ban assault weapons and enact other gun control policies.

and it will just get challenged in federal court as a second amendment violation...

And, yeah, I read about how many thousands of people that have died and/or been maimed by complications resulting from the covid vaccines to the tune of $4.6B in payouts from the Fed Just here in the US.

But Wow...

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001200_EN.html

At least Europe releases the data on deaths resulting from the covid vaccines and is honest about it: 

11, 488 DEATHS RESULTING FROM COVID VACCINES IN EUROPE AS OF 4-13-2023 AS CONFIRMED BY THE EUROPEAN MEDICINES AGENCY

You have got to be kidding me.  You've got the "kill me nicely" deaths based on apparent good intentions (but usually mandated by governmental agencies and big corporations), and then you have a suiciding psycho that kills a couple dozen and THAT makes the news and gives you another apparent notch in your Leftist Ten Commandments. And you guys fall for that propaganda BS (or you willfully subscribe to it knowingly) because supporting the vaccines supports YOUR party politick but being pro-gun control attacks your political opponents. 

"Support gun control and gun confiscation!  Hold on, I gotta go get my booster shot first because it's the "responsible" thing to do as dictated by the NEWS, my representatives, and my do-gooder politically correct and woke social circles."

Just for fun, look at this US article from 2021 or 2022 where they 'dispel' misinformation about covid related deaths as reported on social media:

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/scary-reports-deaths-following-covid-19-vaccination-arent-what-they-seem

At least we have Europe to tell it like it is while US media and medicine is bought and paid for by Big Pharma.  And you guys just sit there and drink it all up...

[orange87]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

And, yeah, I read about how many thousands of people that have died and/or been maimed by complications resulting from the covid vaccines to the tune of $4.6B in payouts from the Fed Just here in the US.

But Wow...

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001200_EN.html

At least Europe releases the data on deaths resulting from the covid vaccines and is honest about it: 

11, 488 DEATHS RESULTING FROM COVID VACCINES IN EUROPE AS OF 4-13-2023 AS CONFIRMED BY THE EUROPEAN MEDICINES AGENCY

I like how you replaced words from the title to twist what the article says into something that fits your tin foil hat conspiracies. It doesn't say "11,488 Deaths Resulting from COVID Vaccines." It says "Deaths Following COVID Vaccines."

Per your own article...

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

and it will just get challenged in federal court as a second amendment violation...

And the challenge from the gun nuts will be tossed out like it usually is. Ten states have banned assault weapons and every attempt to block them failed.

Edited October 29, 2023 by orange87

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

and it will just get challenged in federal court as a second amendment violation...

And, yeah, I read about how many thousands of people that have died and/or been maimed by complications resulting from the covid vaccines to the tune of $4.6B in payouts from the Fed Just here in the US.

But Wow...

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001200_EN.html

At least Europe releases the data on deaths resulting from the covid vaccines and is honest about it: 

11, 488 DEATHS RESULTING FROM COVID VACCINES IN EUROPE AS OF 4-13-2023 AS CONFIRMED BY THE EUROPEAN MEDICINES AGENCY

You have got to be kidding me.  You've got the "kill me nicely" deaths based on apparent good intentions (but usually mandated by governmental agencies and big corporations), and then you have a suiciding psycho that kills a couple dozen and THAT makes the news and gives you another apparent notch in your Leftist Ten Commandments. And you guys fall for that propaganda BS (or you willfully subscribe to it knowingly) because supporting the vaccines supports YOUR party politick but being pro-gun control attacks your political opponents. 

"Support gun control and gun confiscation!  Hold on, I gotta go get my booster shot first because it's the "responsible" thing to do as dictated by the NEWS, my representatives, and my do-gooder politically correct and woke social circles."

Just for fun, look at this US article from 2021 or 2022 where they 'dispel' misinformation about covid related deaths as reported on social media:

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/scary-reports-deaths-following-covid-19-vaccination-arent-what-they-seem

At least we have Europe to tell it like it is while US media and medicine is bought and paid for by Big Pharma.  And you guys just sit there and drink it all up...

I can hardly believe it!!!

jrs2 going off on a looney, unhinged rant about something totally unrelated to the topic?????  

  

 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, orange87 said:

I like how you replaced words from the title to twist what the article says into something that fits your tin foil hat conspiracies. It doesn't say "11,488 Deaths Resulting from COVID Vaccines." It says "Deaths Following COVID Vaccines."

Per your own article...

And the challenge from the gun nuts will be tossed out like it usually is. Ten states have banned assault weapons and every attempt to block them failed.

Nice try. Between heart complications and neuropathy reported domestically, coupled with $billions paid out to injured plaintiffs and likely money paid to the estates of decedents,  it takes a brainwashed partisan excuse maker to say that no causal nexus exists. If it didn't exist, not a dollar one would have been paid to plaintiffs and the Fund created in the first place. To ignore this flies in the face of logic.  You would have to be an interested health care professional, a Pfizer employee, on the payroll of the MSM or the Democrat party to keep making excuses and trying to explain things away.  

Between the European stats and the monies paid by the US Fund, your twisted narrative is exposed for all to see.  Is it really that important for you and other leftists here to win at all costs? 

Malcom X called it back then about the deceit of liberals; we see the grim results today.  11,488 dead in Europe because of the covid vaccines; vaccines for the most part mandated by oppressive governmental edicts...the same type of oppression the Second Amendment was geared to defend the population against. Go ahead; push for gun control and laud and defend the vaccines and the results of an authoritarian state.

[orange87]

12 hours ago, jrs2 said:

it takes a brainwashed partisan excuse maker to say that no causal nexus exists.

It wasn't me who said that, that's what it said in the "proof" article you sent me that you apparently didn't read.

This is a screenshot from your own "proof" article.

12 hours ago, jrs2 said:

11,488 dead in Europe because of the covid vaccines;

That's not at all what that "proof" article you sent me said.

Edited October 29, 2023 by orange87