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[orange87]

Florida lawmakers vote to ban social media for kids under 16

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/02/22/florida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms/?utm_email=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&lctg=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2024%2f02%2f22%2fflorida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms%2f&utm_campaign=trib-orlando_sentinel-breaking_news-nl&utm_content=alert

I see the benefit of this, but it's just a little weird they'd make this a law. Seems like something parents should decide, not the state. Also seems like it will be difficult to enforce.

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, orange87 said:

Florida lawmakers vote to ban social media for kids under 16

Article: 

I see the benefit of this, but it's just a little weird they'd make this a law. Seems like something parents should decide, not the state. Also seems like it will be difficult to enforce.

Probably mostly for show, anyway. 

Maybe this will spark the creation of a kids only platform in which adults will have to lie about their age to get access. 

[jack]

17 hours ago, orange87 said:

Florida lawmakers vote to ban social media for kids under 16

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/02/22/florida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms/?utm_email=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&lctg=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2024%2f02%2f22%2fflorida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms%2f&utm_campaign=trib-orlando_sentinel-breaking_news-nl&utm_content=alert

I see the benefit of this, but it's just a little weird they'd make this a law. Seems like something parents should decide, not the state. Also seems like it will be difficult to enforce.

May not pass a court challenge, but parents rights my butt. We decide what is best for you. Collectivism at its finest. 

[JFW657]

Okay, moved this to the politics thread....

I'm not surprised to hear that you're so overly impressed with yourself, although I'm not and I'd be surprised if anyone else is. 

But be assured that you took no more time out of my day to post that than I took out of yours to respond to it.

On to the subject of the homeless and their Constitutional rights.

No, there is no expressed right in the Constitution for anyone to "loiter anywhere they want, block public sidewalks, sleep anywhere they want, litter everywhere, do drugs on the streets, piss and $hit out in the open on the streets, pan handle anywhere, refuse mental health treatment when it is very apparent they are a danger to themselves and others, commit crimes and not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law".

But they do have a right to privacy, a right to not be arrested without probable cause, a right to occupy the same public spaces as anyone else and not be discriminated against based on income, assets or social status. There are already ordinances on the books in every municipality in the country against indecent exposure and relieving oneself in public. 

The problem is enforcing these laws. IOW, a police officer has to witness them doing it in order to arrest them. For a police officer to consistently witnesses these acts, they would have to be posted on every street corner, or be taken off of patrol in other high crime areas, in order to stand poo-poo watch. As soon as that happens, more serious crimes will soon begin to spike in other areas, then people like you will be soiling yourselves, crying about lib'ruls not enforcing those laws. 

Another (equally simple) aspect of the problem is economic. It takes a lot of money to put more police officers on the street. That money is only available through tax revenue. Thanks to Republicans (like a certain orange criminal whose name I won't mention because of the panty twisting it causes), a huge portion of that tax revenue that could and should be coming from wealthy corporations and their wealthy CEOs, is not available because conservatives hate taxes and elect leaders who keep their wealthy contributors' taxes down to the bare minimum. 

So conservatives have only got themselves to blame.  

Anyone with a modicum of ability to reason and apply the simplest logic, ought to be able to understand that on an instinctive level, without having to have it explained to them.

Your feeble attempts to paint a false picture of "lib'rul cities" not having laws against certain things, is just more of the same old right-wing gutter politics propaganda we've all grown used to.  

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Edited February 25 by JFW657

[jrs2]

On 2/22/2024 at 7:50 PM, orange87 said:

Florida lawmakers vote to ban social media for kids under 16

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/02/22/florida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms/?utm_email=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&lctg=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2024%2f02%2f22%2fflorida-senate-votes-to-ban-kids-under-16-from-social-media-platforms%2f&utm_campaign=trib-orlando_sentinel-breaking_news-nl&utm_content=alert

I see the benefit of this, but it's just a little weird they'd make this a law. Seems like something parents should decide, not the state. Also seems like it will be difficult to enforce.

parents should police this, just like policing whether little Sally makes a new "friend" playing Minecraft or Fortnite online.

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

parents should police this, just like policing whether little Sally makes a new "friend" playing Minecraft or Fortnite online.

Who needs parents when you have DeSantis looking out for you?

[orange87]

Every state should do this.

DeSantis signs law to remove squatters’ rights

Article: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/florida-remove-squatters-rights/

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, orange87 said:

Every state should do this.

DeSantis signs law to remove squatters’ rights

Article: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/florida-remove-squatters-rights/

As much as I DeTest DeSantis, he does do some things I agree with occasionally.

This is one of them. 

[shardoon]

20 hours ago, orange87 said:

Every state should do this.

DeSantis signs law to remove squatters’ rights

Article: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/florida-remove-squatters-rights/

 

This is literally common sense. Does anyone know the vote tally in the Florida legislature on this? I would assume it was close to unanimous. Why are other states dragging their feet. They see the injustices that have been done. There are countless examples in the press. One lady now has a criminal record over trying to get her house back in NY. 

 

It's just like the damn daylight savings and doing away with the roll back. Everyone wants it. Literally bipartisan support (not fake bipartisan support with a few switching sides), this is 90+% supporting, passes one house, and the other just let's it wither. WTF

 

 

[jrs2]

On 3/5/2024 at 1:18 PM, Ivanhoe said:

Who needs parents when you have DeSantis looking out for you?

good thing they didn't make a similar restriction of kids accessing their parents' adult films or adult mags in secret back in the day...maybe I would have turned out better if they had...

[orange87]

Florida Voters Will Decide On Marijuana Legalization In November As FL Supreme Court Rejects FL Attorney General’s Move To Block Ballot Measure

Article: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/florida-voters-will-decide-on-marijuana-legalization-in-november-as-supreme-court-rejects-attorney-generals-move-to-block-ballot-measure/

Edited April 1 by orange87

[JFW657]

Ashley Sleazy tried every trick in the book to block the will of the people, but even with a r/w court, it didn't work. 

 

 

 

[orange87]

Just now, JFW657 said:

Ashley Sleazy tried every trick in the book to block the will of the people, but even with a r/w court, it didn't work. 

Imagine. Florida may soon legalize recreational marijuana and have a $15/hr minimum wage. Very progressive for the deep south. lol Now to do something about Florida's lax gun laws. I think universal background checks could pass on a ballot measure. Universal background checks have bipartisan support among voters.

[orange87]

DeSantis Says Florida Voters Will Reject "Radical" Marijuana Ballot Measure

Article: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/desantis-says-florida-voters-will-reject-radical-marijuana-ballot-measure-claiming-it-would-reduce-the-quality-of-life/

68% of American adults support marijuana legalization. I think DeSantis needs to learn what "radical" means.

[Ivanhoe]

Doubt it - DeSantis is wholly out of touch with the average American. While Trump just attaches himself to whatever view he believes will get him elected, DeSantis has shown that he actually believes that his platform is somehow in touch with voters.

[orange87]

41 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Doubt it - DeSantis is wholly out of touch with the average American. While Trump just attaches himself to whatever view he believes will get him elected, DeSantis has shown that he actually believes that his platform is somehow in touch with voters.

I would agree with you, but ballot measures in Florida need 60% to pass. 50% seems like a slam dunk for marijuana legalization in Florida, but 60% will be tough.

[Ivanhoe]

7 minutes ago, orange87 said:

I would agree with you, but ballot measures in Florida need 60% to pass. 50% seems like a slam dunk for marijuana legalization in Florida, but 60% will be tough.

I think it’ll pass. Those Villagers, who vote en masse, will surely be aligned with legalization. That would offset any other conservative bloc. 

[jrs2]

18 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Doubt it - DeSantis is wholly out of touch with the average American. While Trump just attaches himself to whatever view he believes will get him elected, DeSantis has shown that he actually believes that his platform is somehow in touch with voters.

you're the one that's out of touch.

Trump has the same platform he had when he first ran, which is America first, not China first, not Ukraine first.  More jobs and a strong economy and a strong US Dollar. And enforcing the laws so society doesn't crumble before our eyes (which it is) so that our number one focus then becomes getting high.

Your point of view is NOT representative of the average American.  Maybe the average leftist or member of Urban Planet, but not the average American that has a pulse and pays attention to what's going on.

[orange87]

8 hours ago, jrs2 said:

you're the one that's out of touch.

Trump has the same platform he had when he first ran, which is America first, not China first, not Ukraine first.  More jobs and a strong economy and a strong US Dollar. And enforcing the laws so society doesn't crumble before our eyes (which it is) so that our number one focus then becomes getting high.

Your point of view is NOT representative of the average American.  Maybe the average leftist or member of Urban Planet, but not the average American that has a pulse and pays attention to what's going on.

The only reason marijuana is any more "in focus" than alcohol is because of the people that criminalized it to begin with. It never should have been an issue to begin with.

[JFW657]

9 hours ago, jrs2 said:

you're the one that's out of touch.

Trump has the same platform he had when he first ran, which is America first, not China first, not Ukraine first.  More jobs and a strong economy and a strong US Dollar. And enforcing the laws so society doesn't crumble before our eyes (which it is) so that our number one focus then becomes getting high.

Your point of view is NOT representative of the average American.  Maybe the average leftist or member of Urban Planet, but not the average American that has a pulse and pays attention to what's going on.

Trump's "America first" platform is little more than an empty slogan to rope in the suckers. Trump's real platform is "Trump first and everything else second". He'd sell us out faster than a pimp would sell his top money maker if it benefitted him enough. 

And BTW, more jobs have been created under Biden than under Trump and Biden's economy is better.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-vs-trump-on-the-economy-and-the-winner-is-164241570.html

I do agree that DeSantis is not as far out of step with average Americans as was claimed, at least on some issues.

But on others, like abortion and some other privacy issues, he's just pushing a far right agenda to pander to Trump voters. 

[Ivanhoe]

23 hours ago, jrs2 said:

you're the one that's out of touch.

Trump has the same platform he had when he first ran, which is America first, not China first, not Ukraine first.  More jobs and a strong economy and a strong US Dollar. And enforcing the laws so society doesn't crumble before our eyes (which it is) so that our number one focus then becomes getting high.

Your point of view is NOT representative of the average American.  Maybe the average leftist or member of Urban Planet, but not the average American that has a pulse and pays attention to what's going on.

I agree with you that Trumps platform is designed to create fear mongering amongst a weary voting population. Case in point — you.

[orange87]

Gov. DeSantis signs bill to crack down on retail theft, porch piracy

Article: https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2024/04/09/desantis-retail-theft-porch-piracy?fbclid=IwAR3DIuT2QXtZlDPhwaN8u1eAvmSPPswUJXQTSS0L93NzWEd_6SID5zv3mlk_aem_AdKcHrqQNvXCaPMFXz7c5OZCgqJE4LlA3N7AsG_C5qyMJgBOFh9kh0iBFpMyMdR9wVhKuqi5ti5ASoY8KcLftx-E

DeSantis is on a role. Being tough on crime is one of the few issues I agree with Republicans on.

[jrs2]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:01 PM, JFW657 said:

Trump's "America first" platform is little more than an empty slogan to rope in the suckers. Trump's real platform is "Trump first and everything else second". He'd sell us out faster than a pimp would sell his top money maker if it benefitted him enough. 

And BTW, more jobs have been created under Biden than under Trump and Biden's economy is better.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-vs-trump-on-the-economy-and-the-winner-is-164241570.html

I do agree that DeSantis is not as far out of step with average Americans as was claimed, at least on some issues.

But on others, like abortion and some other privacy issues, he's just pushing a far right agenda to pander to Trump voters. 

well, so far Biden's platform is Ukraine first, illegal immigrants first, criminals first, and the US working class last.  Anything other than that is good.  And having that low of a bar to beat is a sad state of affairs for this country.

53 minutes ago, orange87 said:

Gov. DeSantis signs bill to crack down on retail theft, porch piracy

Article: https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2024/04/09/desantis-retail-theft-porch-piracy?fbclid=IwAR3DIuT2QXtZlDPhwaN8u1eAvmSPPswUJXQTSS0L93NzWEd_6SID5zv3mlk_aem_AdKcHrqQNvXCaPMFXz7c5OZCgqJE4LlA3N7AsG_C5qyMJgBOFh9kh0iBFpMyMdR9wVhKuqi5ti5ASoY8KcLftx-E

DeSantis is on a role. Being tough on crime is one of the few issues I agree with Republicans on.

maybe DeSanctus should crack down on insurance company theft of the residents of florida...

On 4/6/2024 at 10:13 AM, Ivanhoe said:

I agree with you that Trumps platform is designed to create fear mongering amongst a weary voting population. Case in point — you.

so you're a conspiracy theorist now, that out of control illegal immigration, runaway inflation, unprosecuted crimes causing hundreds of retailers to close nationwide,  uncontrolled funding of someone else's war is just fear mongering and not a real legit problem?

[JFW657]

3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

well, so far Biden's platform is Ukraine first, illegal immigrants first, criminals first, and the US working class last.  Anything other than that is good.  And having that low of a bar to beat is a sad state of affairs for this country.

Ukraine: Ukraine is a barrier that would block Russia from having direct border access to Eastern European countries like Poland, Hungary and Romania. If those countries were to be invaded by Russia via a captured Ukraine, the next step would be our allies and economic trading partners in Western Europe.  If one cannot see or understand the importance of doing whatever we possibly can short of going to war ourselves to keep Russia out of Ukraine, then there's no point in talking about it. Short sightedness being probably the most glaringly obvious characteristic of the average Trumper.

The border: We've all heard about the strong, bipartisan border security bill Biden and the Democrats hammered out with Republicans, which he was ready and eager to sign into law, only to have it used (like he used the Constitution on J6) as toilet paper by Trump all for the sake of giving him a red meat election issue to campaign on. Because as we all know, Trump cares more about his own fortunes and staying out of prison than he does about the country.

Criminals: I don't know which criminals President Biden is favoring or how he's supposedly doing so, but if it satisfies some urge on your part to make that claim, then more power to ye. 

US working class: Wait a minute... the President who's presided over raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, created 15 million new jobs and forgiven millions of dollars in student loan debt is putting the US working class in last place on his list of priorities????  

Plus, he's been the most pro-worker, pro-union President since FDR. 

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Trump versus Biden on Worker Issues 

Even though many Americans view Donald Trump as a champion of blue-collar workers, Trump did far less to help workers than Biden did. During his four years as president, Trump didn’t attempt to increase the minimum wage and failed utterly in his promises to enact a big infrastructure package. Trump rolled back overtime protections for millions of workers and made it easier for Wall Street firms to rip off the 401(k)s of hard-working Americans.

The Trump administration greatly relaxed requirements for employers to report workplace injuries and rejected a proposed ban on a toxic pesticide, chlorpyrifos, that caused acute reactions in farmworkers and hurt farmworkers’ children. Trump got Congress to cut taxes sharply on corporations and the richest Americans, while giving only minor, temporary tax cuts to American workers. Trump also tweeted out attacks against the AFL–CIO’s late president. Richard Trumka, as well as leaders of the United Steelworkers and the United Auto Workers.

Trump even appointed a pro-management corporate lawyer, Eugene Scalia, to serve as secretary of labor, while Biden named a former union leader to that position, Marty Walsh. Trump made it easier to fire federal employees and made it tougher for federal employee unions to represent workers—steps that Biden scrapped in his early days in office.

“On worker issues, it’s obvious night and day with President Biden and Donald Trump,” said Karla Walter, senior director for employment policy at the Center for American Progress. “President Trump promised an infrastructure package, but now thanks to Joe Biden, we have one. There were just so many broken promises under President Trump. He made lots of promises to working people, while also doubling down on dog whistles that divided people based on race and immigration status."

“Trump made it easier to fire federal employees and made it tougher for federal employee unions to represent workers—steps that Biden scrapped in his early days in office.” 

https://tcf.org/content/report/what-biden-has-done-and-still-can-do-for-workers/

But hey, anything to shill for Trump, eh?

Accuracy not important.  

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Edited April 9 by JFW657

[orange87]

Dictator DeSantis with a double whammy today.

DeSantis signs bill requiring civilians to be at least 25 feet away from police in order to legally record them in public; the bill also limits authority of civilian boards to investigate police

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/04/12/desantis-signs-bills-targeting-civilian-review-boards-recording-police-up-close/?utm_email=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&lctg=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2024%2f04%2f12%2fdesantis-signs-bills-targeting-civilian-review-boards-recording-police-up-close%2f&utm_campaign=trib-orlando_sentinel-dont_miss-nl&utm_content=alert

DeSantis signs bill forbidding local governments from setting heat-exposure rules for workers; the bill also prevents cities and counties from imposing minimum wage for contractors

Article: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/04/12/desantis-signs-law-forbidding-local-governments-from-setting-heat-exposure-rules-for-workers/?utm_email=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&lctg=D4DA7471A48D34B56503A4C30A&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2f2024%2f04%2f12%2fdesantis-signs-law-forbidding-local-governments-from-setting-heat-exposure-rules-for-workers%2f&utm_campaign=trib-orlando_sentinel-dont_miss-nl&utm_content=alert

Edited April 12 by orange87