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[aent]

22 hours ago, orange87 said:

I suspected that you wouldn’t get it. People would be expected to do five days worth of work in four days. Hence, why the pay would stay the same. You’re paid for your production, not merely your presence. This has already been tried many times and the results have shown a third day off is a great motivator for people to work harder, and they do.

But these same exact people are already saying they're overworked, and that companies need to hire more people to do the same exact job. But they're also fine with doing way more work per hour? He doesn't get it because it simply doesn't make sense.

The article is also purposely misleading. Employers aren't all "we'll pay people to the same to work 4 days as 5", many of them surveyed wanted to do 4-10s instead of 5-8s... hardly the same as what they represent. I've worked at places where they offered 4-10 hour days to allow 3 day weekends, where that was employee's choice, etc. While many took advantage of it for some amount of time, the longer days wear people down and after perhaps being excited for the 3 day weekends for a while, not being able to do much else during the week usually led almost everyone to opt back to the 5 day week. Its also flat out inaccurate in other regards, such as work from home showing no signs of slowing down... there's been plenty of stories about how all the world's largest companies have been working hard to bring people back to the office, companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, and tons of others thought their jobs were perfect to work from home, but after letting people do it for a while, they found people were frequently going and mowing the lawn, having friends over, taking care of their kids, taking a second job at the exact same time, and lots of other shanegagins that heavily reduced their productivity, and of course no one wanted a pay cut even though they're working way less.

The timing also seems insane, we have a huge worker shortage still, and rampant inflation, seemingly entirely from people working less then ever, and the Democrats response is "maybe we should try to get people to work even less and see if we can further expand inflation"

[jrs2]

On 6/19/2023 at 6:49 PM, orange87 said:

I suspected that you wouldn’t get it. People would be expected to do five days worth of work in four days. Hence, why the pay would stay the same. You’re paid for your production, not merely your presence. This has already been tried many times and the results have shown a third day off is a great motivator for people to work harder, and they do.

human nature dictates people will not do five days of work in four days.

what about a receptionist?  Their presence is as important as their production.

I would say for the people that want this:  if you are getting paid for your production, then put your money where your mouth is and instead get paid for every productive item that you do (with a cap) and not hourly.  That's how you ensure production.

The "motivator" only works if it is a five day work week and you incentivize them do do five days work in just four days.  But if a four day work week is mandated to be the standard, then, there is no motivator or incentive.  

[jrs2]

21 hours ago, aent said:

But these same exact people are already saying they're overworked, and that companies need to hire more people to do the same exact job. But they're also fine with doing way more work per hour? He doesn't get it because it simply doesn't make sense.

The article is also purposely misleading. Employers aren't all "we'll pay people to the same to work 4 days as 5", many of them surveyed wanted to do 4-10s instead of 5-8s... hardly the same as what they represent. I've worked at places where they offered 4-10 hour days to allow 3 day weekends, where that was employee's choice, etc. While many took advantage of it for some amount of time, the longer days wear people down and after perhaps being excited for the 3 day weekends for a while, not being able to do much else during the week usually led almost everyone to opt back to the 5 day week. Its also flat out inaccurate in other regards, such as work from home showing no signs of slowing down... there's been plenty of stories about how all the world's largest companies have been working hard to bring people back to the office, companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, and tons of others thought their jobs were perfect to work from home, but after letting people do it for a while, they found people were frequently going and mowing the lawn, having friends over, taking care of their kids, taking a second job at the exact same time, and lots of other shanegagins that heavily reduced their productivity, and of course no one wanted a pay cut even though they're working way less.

The timing also seems insane, we have a huge worker shortage still, and rampant inflation, seemingly entirely from people working less then ever, and the Democrats response is "maybe we should try to get people to work even less and see if we can further expand inflation"

the covid lockdowns and ensuing unemployment check issuing by the fed and states created a bunch of entitled lazy opportunistic former workforce persons, where, not only do you have landscapers that still can't fill positions, you have irrigation companies, roofing contractors, concrete workers, accountants, law offices, marketing, retail stores, bars, etc., that have the same problems.  Are there still government programs paying these people?

Four 10's wouldn't work anyways.  It's hard enough as it is to get people to be productive between 330pm and 5pm.  Employees figure out their routines and try to "coast" especially on Fridays.  Imagine doing that on a four-day work week... 

[jack]

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

the covid lockdowns and ensuing unemployment check issuing by the fed and states created a bunch of entitled lazy opportunistic former workforce persons, where, not only do you have landscapers that still can't fill positions, you have irrigation companies, roofing contractors, concrete workers, accountants, law offices, marketing, retail stores, bars, etc., that have the same problems.  Are there still government programs paying these people?

Four 10's wouldn't work anyways.  It's hard enough as it is to get people to be productive between 330pm and 5pm.  Employees figure out their routines and try to "coast" especially on Fridays.  Imagine doing that on a four-day work week... 

No, and it shocks me that people still say no one one to work. We have an extremely low unemployment rate and workforce participation rates that are similar to pre covid numbers. We simply lost too many people to covid and other lockdown related deaths and had many early retirements. Throw in that immigration has been on the downwards slope, and you get the environment we are in today. We need to automate faster or let more people into the country. 

[JFW657]

3 hours ago, jack said:

No, and it shocks me that people still say no one one to work. We have an extremely low unemployment rate and workforce participation rates that are similar to pre covid numbers. We simply lost too many people to covid and other lockdown related deaths and had many early retirements. Throw in that immigration has been on the downwards slope, and you get the environment we are in today. We need to automate faster or let more people into the country. 

Guest worker pass.

So simple.

But immigration makes too good of a political issue for politicians to pass up.  

[aent]

On 6/21/2023 at 5:09 PM, jack said:

No, and it shocks me that people still say no one one to work. We have an extremely low unemployment rate and workforce participation rates that are similar to pre covid numbers. 

That is simply not true, the workforce participation rate has not recovered:

The rate has not recovered from the great recession. And this is worsened by the fact that many, many people are not willing to do as much work at their jobs post-COVID, combined with "employment" being more of the gig economy and influencers, which I don't discount as work, but it has significantly changed the availability of normal, hirable workers for companies that need to get stuff done.

Edited June 23, 2023 by aent

[jrs2]

17 hours ago, jack said:

No, and it shocks me that people still say no one one to work. We have an extremely low unemployment rate and workforce participation rates that are similar to pre covid numbers. We simply lost too many people to covid and other lockdown related deaths and had many early retirements. Throw in that immigration has been on the downwards slope, and you get the environment we are in today. We need to automate faster or let more people into the country. 

Bruh, you sound like a billboard for Joe Biden and for Skynet & Johnny Cab.    

[jack]

4 hours ago, aent said:

That is simply not true, the workforce participation rate has not recovered:

[img]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=16lBM[/img]

The rate has not recovered from the great recession. And this is worsened by the fact that many, many people are not willing to do as much work at their jobs post-COVID, combined with "employment" being more of the gig economy and influencers, which I don't discount as work, but it has significantly changed the availability of normal, hirable workers for companies that need to get stuff done.

That is the Great Recession but I said the pre covid numbers. All of the other things you mentioned does not support "no one wants to work" People are working if it is gig or "influencing". The simple fact is we have more job openings than workers available. 

[jack]

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Bruh, you sound like a billboard for Joe Biden and for Skynet & Johnny Cab.    

It is that or shrink the country. Besides, a broken clock is right twice a day (Biden). And yes, I welcome Skynet with open arms. More automation and more AI. We have been technological stagnant and need AI to help propel us into the future. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, jack said:

It is that or shrink the country. Besides, a broken clock is right twice a day (Biden). And yes, I welcome Skynet with open arms. More automation and more AI. We have been technological stagnant and need AI to help propel us into the future. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 

Did you ever see the TED Talk movie preview promo for Prometheus where a young Peter Weyland is talking about AI many years prior to the events of Prometheus and the creation of his first AI "son," David?  I thought it was brilliant for that Alien prequel; very well done to weave it into the story.  Ridley Scott, George Lucas, James Cameron, Gene Roddenberry, Stanley Kubrick, and others have pretty much laid it it out on the table in story form for all to see.

The best thing about these stories was just that...they are just stories.  The worst thing about these stories (let alone Terminator) was whether they ever became reality.

I'll take R2-D2, DATA, and maybe a reprogrammed IG-88.  But you can keep HAL, The Clones, Lore, the T-1000, Replicants, V-GER, Daystrom's M-5, etc.  

[jack]

21 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Did you ever see the TED Talk movie preview promo for Prometheus where a young Peter Weyland is talking about AI many years prior to the events of Prometheus and the creation of his first AI "son," David?  I thought it was brilliant for that Alien prequel; very well done to weave it into the story.  Ridley Scott, George Lucas, James Cameron, Gene Roddenberry, Stanley Kubrick, and others have pretty much laid it it out on the table in story form for all to see.

The best thing about these stories was just that...they are just stories.  The worst thing about these stories (let alone Terminator) was whether they ever became reality.

I'll take R2-D2, DATA, and maybe a reprogrammed IG-88.  But you can keep HAL, The Clones, Lore, the T-1000, Replicants, V-GER, Daystrom's M-5, etc.  

I have not and it sounds interesting. David was his name in Prometheus. The good robot was in Alien Covenant. 

AI will be a reflection of those that program them. To use your Alien reference, David and the robot from the original Alien were homicidal. But the robot from Convenant and Aliens were heroes. Maybe the breakdown between bad, average and good will match the human breakdown. Some will be geniuses, most average, some will be terrible. 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, jack said:

I have not and it sounds interesting. David was his name in Prometheus. The good robot was in Alien Covenant. 

AI will be a reflection of those that program them. To use your Alien reference, David and the robot from the original Alien were homicidal. But the robot from Convenant and Aliens were heroes. Maybe the breakdown between bad, average and good will match the human breakdown. Some will be geniuses, most average, some will be terrible. 

yep.  Walter was the "good son."  You gotta see those promo bits.  Sounds like you're a fan... I'm gonna post a couple links below in a few.

Holy rusty metal, Batman... it is dated 2023...

 

[jrs2]

Here's a synopsis video by Ridley Scott about AI, David, etc.  I've never seen it before now.  Very interesting the quotes interjected from the societal brain trust like Hawking and Gates over the years about the implications of AI:

 

[jack]

On 6/23/2023 at 2:09 PM, jrs2 said:

yep.  Walter was the "good son."  You gotta see those promo bits.  Sounds like you're a fan... I'm gonna post a couple links below in a few.

Holy rusty metal, Batman... it is dated 2023...

 

Now I need to watch these movies again. Guy Pierce is so great. 

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, jack said:

Now I need to watch these movies again. Guy Pierce is so great. 

...powerful presence.  between him and Michael Fassbender, how could you go wrong?...

[orange87]

Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont is the 9th most popular Governor in America. Meanwhile Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has plummeted to 22nd place.

Article: https://247wallst.com/state/how-gov-ned-lamonts-approval-compares-to-the-nations-most-popular-governors/#:~:text=Based on 2023 survey data,his second term as governor.

[orange87]

Elon Musk announced that in 30 days, you will have to pay money to use Twitter. Don't worry though; this will probably only last until Musk's next mood swing.

[jrs2]

@jack & @HankStrong & @shardoon & anyone else...

Look, I take everything with a grain of salt, but, it doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what's going on.  I had genuine concerns about MCO's numbers when I made that Disney comment.  But I didn't think it would result in such denialism.  So, see below to put this in perspective:

I had to endure a lecture from an entitled black Brit of Jamaican decent on why my ancestors were racists because "they once had slaves" (I'm first gen American, so he couldn't get me on my ancestors being Southern slave owners).  And, he gave me a lecture as to how my ancestors "stole" their cultural icons from Ethiopia.  So now the new strategy is to shame even immigrants as being racists.  And then they fall back on "inherently racist."  Go figure. 

But his attitude is reflected by society:  Coca Cola gives HR lectures on "being less white."  1994's PCU has a scene where a "womanyst" scolds a new member for having had sex "with a white male."  Women get attacked for protesting trannys using the womens' locker room.  The State of Michigan is reviewing whether or not to make it actionable if you misuse someone's pronouns.  The director of Love Actually had to repent for not having any black actors as the main characters in the 2003 British film.  Ghostbusters is remade with just women and black women and probably lesbians as the main cast.  Some of these movies and remakes are failing at the box office and they are blaming "racist white people" for those failures (like they did for Little Mermaid).  It is all lumped in together...

But on the "racist" angle, I argued with that black Brit Jamaican about Ghostbusters and I told him it didn't fail because they were all women and or black women, it failed because people flocked to the cinema with the original to see Dan Akroyd, Bill Murray, Ernie Hudson, etc.  His immediate response to me was "don't forget the black guy!"  And my retort was..."um...yeah, that would be Ernie Hudson."  He didn't even know that was "the black guy's" name.  Go figure.

To answer @HankStrongquery, no, they don't all have to be white.  But what Disney is doing is attacking a generation; they are canceling a generation of fans by killing of the alpha male "heroes".  Why?  Because the government cannot control a population full of alpha males. That's what Disney did with Star Wars.  But this diversity movement in doing remakes and replacing white characters with non-white characters, that is also attacking that prior generation in the same way.  This all comes from the Far Left.  But they're clever in the way they do it.  They started by attacking Arnold, the ultimate alpha male character/actor, by publicly shaming him because of his father's political affiliations during WWII.  They did it with Mel Gibson calling him an anti-semite.  They did it with others, but then graduated to movie characters when they saw that people didn't give a sh!t.  

To comment on @jack's comment from the airport thread, my response to your comment about "those kinds of people cannot be reasoned with" is simply this: Don't shoot the messenger when he or she calls out an organization for actually being racist or reverse racist when they are being racist or reverse racist.   Don't act like everything's ok and that "those people" are being unreasonable.  There is a movement to cancel white people and it's been going on to the point now where its literally in your face.  Deny it and it just shows that you are a denialist in the face of facts.  It's Socialism 101.  They use "race" but they are really talking about "class."  So it's class warfare using media, HR departments, etc.  I won't even get into DEI administrators. University of Michigan has 100 of them.  Why?  What is this, 2023's version of The Gestapo?

I don't even have to say that I know I'm right.  Why? Because when a certain poster here that I've sparred with about Trump, DeSantis, etc, actually agrees with a lot of what I say (aside from Trump & DeSantis's respective character); I use that as a litmus test.  And because of him I started watching some more of Bill Maher to reevaluate myself on certain issues. 

I try to see it both ways, but it is undeniable what they're doing. It's what I said before...they don't want alpha males in society because it is easier to control a society of yes men (and women), whether you are straight or gay.  There's plenty of gays and women that are conservatives, not to mention blacks and Latinos that see what's going on (and Democrats too).  But too many people just turn a blind eye. 

Look at the sh!t show below:

 

[HankStrong]

18 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

 They did it with Mel Gibson calling him an anti-semite.  

Let's be fair.  Mel Gibson's statements and rants are on tape.  Denying that is crazy.

 

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, HankStrong said:

Let's be fair.  Mel Gibson's statements and rants are on tape.  Denying that is crazy.

 

yeah but the Left and media and Hollywood Elite hypocritically criticize everyone, wear "black face", do drugs, die of overdoses, and are lauded for it.  At the same time, a guy like Scott Stapp of Creed, love them or hate them, put himself out there as a Christian but had a drinking problem, and they crucified him for it.  He's a douche yet Scott Wyland of STP isn't. The Left think they're above reproach.

I really don't care about the Mel Gibson thing.  But I can tell you they hung him out to dry simply for the fact that he said and depicted in that movie that the Jews were responsible for crucifying Christ.  Gee, I dunno, you can read a bunch of religious texts that depict as much that the Pharisees wanted him silenced and influenced Pilate to try him, yet all of the sudden he's an anti-semite because he stated a fact.  Shoot.  They call critics of George Soros anti-semites.  Well, no-one told that leftist to be a Jew, yet there he is hiding behind that to avoid criticism.

[HankStrong]

Talking to you is like talking to my brother.

If you tell him you like grapefruit within 5 minutes we've started talking about his landlady's new haircut, a pair of bowling shoes he owned in 1996, and a car ad he saw on TV at least 10 years ago.  All because something about a grapefruit ties them all together in his head.  It's exhausting.

[jack]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:42 PM, jrs2 said:

@jack & @HankStrong & @shardoon & anyone else...

Look, I take everything with a grain of salt, but, it doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what's going on.  I had genuine concerns about MCO's numbers when I made that Disney comment.  But I didn't think it would result in such denialism.  So, see below to put this in perspective:

 

 

 

Did you know that some people really believe the earth is flat? That 9/11 was an inside job by Israelis? The jews have space lasers? The CIA promotes/creates homosexuality to destroy the black community? 

People believe weird stuff. Don't get bent out of shape. Chuckle and move on. 

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jack said:

Did you know that some people really believe the earth is flat? That 9/11 was an inside job by Israelis? The jews have space lasers? The CIA promotes/creates homosexuality to destroy the black community? 

People believe weird stuff. Don't get bent out of shape. Chuckle and move on. 

Wait.... You mean it's not????    

https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php 

I better tell my friends at the next meeting!!! 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, jack said:

Did you know that some people really believe the earth is flat? That 9/11 was an inside job by Israelis? The jews have space lasers? The CIA promotes/creates homosexuality to destroy the black community? 

People believe weird stuff. Don't get bent out of shape. Chuckle and move on. 

It would be foolish to believe in anything that contradicts what our government and collective group of talking heads tell us about the universe, tragedies, diseases, etc., no matter how preposterous it sounds.  We should just trust them unconditionally because that is the true sign of intelligence, common sense, wisdom, and independent thinking.    

[jrs2]

9 hours ago, HankStrong said:

Talking to you is like talking to my brother.

If you tell him you like grapefruit within 5 minutes we've started talking about his landlady's new haircut, a pair of bowling shoes he owned in 1996, and a car ad he saw on TV at least 10 years ago.  All because something about a grapefruit ties them all together in his head.  It's exhausting.

why thank you, Hank, for holding me in such high esteem!