Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[Luvemtall]

To some degree, I understand the concerns with STR’s . But only to a point. we have to remember, that Nashville is a big tourist area and everyone wants a piece of the pie. And as long as a property is meeting all the zoning and regulatory aspects, the owner has the right to use it under the guidelines that exist. As far as parking , with the right architectural design that could easily be incorporated, i.e in a row house or connected townhome design with individual ground floor garages with 2-3 floors of living space above. There’s always a solution, just depends on how much communication takes place. But hey , just my perspective, as a former owner of rental properties, mostly in tourist destinations .

[Nash_12South]

My problem with STRs is that they are fundamentally a business in a residential neighborhood. Most of my neighbors, especially with kids, don't want to live next to hotel room(s) of constantly changing strangers. 9 out of 10 are well run and quiet, but the bad ones give all the others a black eye, and those policing them don't do enough.  If folks want to make extra money by renting space, doing it yearly. STRs don't really add to creating a "neighborhood" as permanent residents do, just my 2 cents and not meaning any disrespect to STR owners. My best friends have an STR above their East Nashville garage. 

[andywildman]

1 hour ago, Nash_12South said:

Part of the problem/fear with apartments is that currently most (not all) end up as STRs, especially in 12South, and most folks don't like those. Parking is also a problem with density. We shouldn't be dependent on cars, but we are, and you need 2 spaces for each dwelling, no matter how small.  If you could fit 8 condos on the site, which you could,  realistically you need also space for 16 cars. Yes, they should ride the bus or bike everywhere, but they won't.

I think we're no longer in the "need 2 cars per dwelling" phase of Nashville. Check out The Maslow in Wedgewood Houston. It's a 4-story condo building with 30+ units and ~1 parking spot/unit. 

[PaulChinetti]

2 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

And what’s the mentality with that? Tall Skinnies = rich, well educated, professionals and apartments = low income, transient types. Some people can’t afford or desire anything but apartment living, are you saying they aren’t welcomed? There’s some apartments that are both more lavish and expensive then many SFH . But it’s a mindset, that apartments equals trouble. 
it’s like everyone wants to see affordable housing, but not in their neighborhoods. 

Yeah I have no idea. I'm guessing yes, it's that apartments, therefore renters, are undesirables. 

It's just bad and dumb like you pointed out. 

*My original comment was sarcasm, just to be clear

[Luvemtall]

It’s all good, we all have the right to our opinion. I really pass no judgment , was just curious. Thanks for being honest, and having a conversation. 

[markhollin]

445 Park Commons (5 & 6 stories, 335 units, ground level retail, 500 capacity garage) update: up to 3rd floor in sections; south end rage is up.

Looking SE from Benton Ave.,  1/2 block east of Bransford Ave:

Looking NE from plaza walkway on east side of GEODIS Park, 1/2 block south of Benton Ave:




Looking SE from plaza walkway on east side of GEODIS Park, 1/2 block south of Benton Ave:

[smeagolsfree]

18 hours ago, markhollin said:

The church site at 1000-1006 that had originally been slated for a 3 & 4 story mixed-use project now is being scheduled for 5 luxury homes by Make Construction. The church structure, which had originally been a masonic lodge, was built in the 1960s and is not historic.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/high-end-homes-planned-for-12south-ex-church-site/article_4c1c4bb6-abbe-11ed-8b1d-c37c3e8cd4b4.html

 

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

I would have rather seen a better use of the property but the church there was a disaster and an eyesore that should have never been built. A relic of the crap that was built from the 70's that contributed the suburban mess that was brought to the urban fabric. It was built on the cheap and it homes go there I am fine with it, but STR's no. I really think the Council person in this district needs to put their foot down and the residents need to take a stand and raise hell about STR's. This is in Colby's district, and he is termed out. Maybe someone with a better ear. 

No telling what the future will bring if the state gets their way either about the number of council seats.

[Melrose]

21 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

But only to a point. we have to remember, that Nashville is a big tourist area and everyone wants a piece of the pie.

This should never be a justification for any venture in this town or something any resident should "have to remember."

[PaulChinetti]

4 minutes ago, Melrose said:

This should never be a justification for any venture in this town or something any resident should "have to remember."

They shouldn't have to remember that they are a piece of a whole? A city is a living growing organism.  If they want to be in a self contained bubble where no outside influences affect them, then city life isn't probably for them.

Of course I could be reading too much into what you said too

[Nash_12South]

I do think that folks can like living in Nashville but be frustrated at aspects of our growth. It's like saying that if you choose to drive your can you can't complain about the traffic or if you choose to eat in a restaurant, you can't complain about the service or the food. 

[PaulChinetti]

4 minutes ago, Nash_12South said:

I do think that folks can like living in Nashville but be frustrated at aspects of our growth. It's like saying that if you choose to drive your can you can't complain about the traffic or if you choose to eat in a restaurant, you can't complain about the service or the food. 

That's a fair point. 

I think my sticking point is, it's ok to complain about it, as long as you are doing something about it. Complaining about traffic, then voting against transit referendums, or voting for politicians that don't have a transit plan, is just complaining for complaining sake then. 

Blocking projects because of, not liking growth, in my mind at least is not an acceptable reason. But that's the YIMBY in me speaking, haha. Ya know what I'm saying?

 

[Rick Dalton]

Good lord that 12 south “church” is ugly. Good riddance 

[Luvemtall]

I really think that Melrose has blurred the context of my words. I was simply stating the large tourist industry here in Nashville, and that many are trying to profit from it. In the form of STR’s ( don’t take me wrong, I’m not a fan) but if they are allowed under the zoning and regulations of a particular piece of property, then in fairness that owner has the right to use it in such manner. Not the owners fault, but zoning needs to change that. As for the original start of this conversation, the church property, if there’s a guarantee that if apartments got approved they must not allow STR’s , has to be in writing up front though zoning or planning. I fully understand the value of that.        I’m with Paul and Nash_ 12south not wanting STR’s in their neighborhood, fully understand that’s a big difference then regular apartments.  
and yes Melrose, I do believe “we have to remember “ the tourist industry. It’s definitely a factor in this city, that accounts for many jobs , and many companies justification to locate here. It’s part of the economic engine that drives this city, like it or not.

[PaulChinetti]

I don't mind STRs at all, they just have to be policed. 

O fcourse I've only lived around small ones, none of the big 16 person ones. 

[Luvemtall]

That’s part of the problem, no one really monitors and controls the STR issues . If they had rules and made sure they adhere to them , that’s one thing. But mostly they don’t and things can get out of hand pretty quickly. 

[markhollin]

Queens (4 & 5 stories, 167 units, ground level retail, internal garage) update.

Looking south from intersection of Hamilton Ave. and Hagan St:

Looking SW from Hamilton Ave., 1/4 block east of Hagan St:

Looking south from Hamilton Ave. 1/2 block east of CSX tracks:

[Melrose]

On 2/14/2023 at 2:44 PM, PaulChinetti said:

That's a fair point. 

I think my sticking point is, it's ok to complain about it, as long as you are doing something about it. Complaining about traffic, then voting against transit referendums, or voting for politicians that don't have a transit plan, is just complaining for complaining sake then. 

Blocking projects because of, not liking growth, in my mind at least is not an acceptable reason. But that's the YIMBY in me speaking, haha. Ya know what I'm saying?

 

No, not blocking projects or NIMBY at all.  I'm saying proposing solutions, thoughtful planning  and proper regulations shouldn't be tossed  aside because people deserve their "piece of the pie", which is how I took the original comment.  IMO,  we've been far too willing for far too long to be deferential to anything under the guise of "good for business" or good for the City's "exposure" (whatever that means), without considering any other context .   This has been done at the expense of things like transit, increasing  good housing options and density, etc.  

[markhollin]

Alto 615 (5 stories, 102 units) update: elevator shaft/stairwell erected; foundation set across site.

Looking west from Fesslers Lane, 1/8 block south of Murfreesboro Pike:

[PaulChinetti]

Looks like this property at 492 Craighead Street is trying to get rezoned to Mul-A. This could be a great addition to the street if something with some retail/resturant space happens on the bottom.

*This stretch of street is in desperate need of some sidewalks to connect 8th to Geodis

https://nashville.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5979754&GUID=B50C63CF-42EA-4C42-93CC-862DB16C042E

Edited February 16, 2023 by PaulChinetti
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[Melrose]

1 hour ago, PaulChinetti said:

Looks like this property at 492 Craighead Street is trying to get rezoned to Mul-A. This could be a great addition to the street if something with some retail/resturant space happens on the bottom.

*This stretch of street is in desperate need of some sidewalks to connect 8th to Geodis

https://nashville.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5979754&GUID=B50C63CF-42EA-4C42-93CC-862DB16C042E

Is this stretch Metro or Berry Hill?  I always get confused by the boundary lines in this area. 

[PaulChinetti]

4 minutes ago, Melrose said:

Is this stretch Metro or Berry Hill?  I always get confused by the boundary lines in this area. 

I honestly have no idea. I think Berry Hill though. 

I stand correct, NOT Berry Hill.

 

[gannman]

4 minutes ago, Melrose said:

Is this stretch Metro or Berry Hill?  I always get confused by the boundary lines in this area. 

Everything north of Craighead is Metro until you het to Bransford.

[Bos2Nash]

4 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Looks like this property at 492 Craighead Street is trying to get rezoned to Mul-A. This could be a great addition to the street if something with some retail/resturant space happens on the bottom.

*This stretch of street is in desperate need of some sidewalks to connect 8th to Geodis

https://nashville.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5979754&GUID=B50C63CF-42EA-4C42-93CC-862DB16C042E

This is in the hands of Council. Planning approved it 7-0 on 12-08-22. Agreed that getting much of this industrial land rezoned and used for housing and ground floor activation would be great!

[markhollin]

T3 Wedgewood Houston (6 stories, 200,000 sq. ft. of office space, ground level retail, internal garage) update: window installation starting.

Looking SE from Martin St. at Gray St:

Looking NE from Martin St., 1/3 block north of Merritt Ave:

Looking north from surface lot. behind 1260 Martin St:

[markhollin]

Core Spaces Development out of Chicago has purchased approximately 3 acres 510 Interstate Drive/341 Herron Drive for a. collective $12.85 million.  Several years ago  metro Planning approved the rezoning  from industrial to mixed-use, and a 3 story, 220 unit mixed-use project that would also feature 60,000 sq. ft. of retail/restaurant space was in the works.  Not sure if Core is planning something similar or not.   There are currently a handful of non-historic manufacturing/warehouse structures on the site.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/chicago-developer-buys-in-south-nashville/article_00804c24-aee4-11ed-9178-2b20b15e0963.html

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent developmrnt map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame: