Is ZOI House Orlando dead?

[orlandouprise]

Any chance in hell this is still on life support? 

[JFW657]

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Is ZOI House Orlando dead?

I hope so. 

[Uncommon]

Deader than dead.

A better question is if CSP2 dead.

[JFW657]

45 minutes ago, Uncommon said:

Deader than dead.

A better question is if CSP2 dead.

Probably right on The Edge.  

[orlandouprise]

I received an invitation to bid on the Millwork package for the edge meaning they are at least collecting numbers for  a hard number. They are probably a year out from starting construction is my guess for what its worth.

[codypet]

I'm willing to guess Hourglass Flats, Society Tower 2, Modera, that Kuhn tower on Garland/Washington and SE+D are all dead.  CSPII is on life support.  The ballooning of const costs coupled with rising interest rates is making all these projects not worth it.

[jrs2]

20 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I hope so. 

...and the people responsible for cutting down that giant oak will, of course, suffer a fate worse than death...

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

...and the people responsible for cutting down that giant oak will, of course, suffer a fate worse than death...

That would be nice, too. 

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, codypet said:

I'm willing to guess Hourglass Flats, Society Tower 2, Modera, that Kuhn tower on Garland/Washington and SE+D are all dead.  CSPII is on life support.  The ballooning of const costs coupled with rising interest rates is making all these projects not worth it.

Without Society 2 that is going to really look odd. 

[JFW657]

6 hours ago, codypet said:

I'm willing to guess Hourglass Flats, Society Tower 2, Modera, that Kuhn tower on Garland/Washington and SE+D are all dead.  CSPII is on life support.  The ballooning of const costs coupled with rising interest rates is making all these projects not worth it.

 

38 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Without Society 2 that is going to really look odd. 

I'm guessing that it might be delayed for awhile, but should eventually happen.

And who knows.... maybe a delay will result in a resigned, taller tower. 

Maybe even a more interesting shape too, rather than another rectangle. 

[Ivanhoe]

True, some variety there there wouldn’t hurt to softness the bulkiness. Perhaps in the interim they can makeshift the space for a Boxi Park (I know, I know, we are already “getting” one right down the street at Orange/Jefferson. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Ivanhoe

[Uncommon]

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

True, some variety there there wouldn’t hurt to softness the bulkiness. Perhaps in the interim they can makeshift the space for a Boxi Park (I know, I know, we are already “getting” one right down the street at Orange/Jefferson. 

Isn't there some other Art Squared-like project at that intersection with the Unbelievably Real mural? I thought I saw something on Bungalower that something like that would be built there where the building burned down in 2005.

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, Uncommon said:

Isn't there some other Art Squared-like project at that intersection with the Unbelievably Real mural? I thought I saw something on Bungalower that something like that would be built there where the building burned down in 2005.

If there is something like that on the drawing board, expect it to take a good five years or so to begin construction.

Orlando.  

[orlandouprise]

22 hours ago, JFW657 said:

 

I'm guessing that it might be delayed for awhile, but should eventually happen.

And who knows.... maybe a delay will result in a resigned, taller tower. 

Maybe even a more interesting shape too, rather than another rectangle. 

Lol i love the wishful thinking but is Orlando. Things only shrink here, they don't get taller.

[JFW657]

8 minutes ago, orlandouprise said:

Lol i love the wishful thinking but is Orlando. Things only shrink here, they don't get taller.

 

[codypet]

We should stop putting buildings in the pool.

[dcluley98]

Neither CSPII (The Edge) nor S+ED are dead. They are soliciting bids for both. I believe they are trying to prepare a GMP for CSPII and soliciting qualifications for portions of S+ED. 

[orlandouprise]

GMP?

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, orlandouprise said:

GMP?

Get Momma's Pancakes

[jack]

On 10/10/2023 at 12:54 PM, codypet said:

I'm willing to guess Hourglass Flats, Society Tower 2, Modera, that Kuhn tower on Garland/Washington and SE+D are all dead.  CSPII is on life support.  The ballooning of const costs coupled with rising interest rates is making all these projects not worth it.

Don't forget insurance. While under construction as well as stabilized. 

2 hours ago, orlandouprise said:

GMP?

Guaranteed Maximum Price. 

[orlandouprise]

What happened to the Summa Building?  Holocaust Museum?, Pulse Museum?...all Orlando pipedreams and part of the ORL cemetery?

[Uncommon]

39 minutes ago, orlandouprise said:

What happened to the Summa Building?  Holocaust Museum?, Pulse Museum?...all Orlando pipedreams and part of the ORL cemetery?

I think Pulse and Holocaust museums happen, but everything in Orlando takes 10 years to begin construction. In Miami, they would've been working on expansions for each museum by now.

[Ivanhoe]

Not to mention the Under-I project which seems all but dead and was “proposed” before the Miami Underline, the latter of which is already in the final expansion phase.

[orlandouprise]

On 10/16/2023 at 9:04 PM, Uncommon said:

I think Pulse and Holocaust museums happen, but everything in Orlando takes 10 years to begin construction. In Miami, they would've been working on expansions for each museum by now.

welp...add the Pulse museum to the Orlando  cemetery. Geezus there is no money in this town to get projects off the ground....meanwhile Miami is swimming in billion  dollar projects.

[JFW657]

2 hours ago, orlandouprise said:

welp...add the Pulse museum to the Orlando  cemetery. Geezus there is no money in this town to get projects off the ground....

Never was a fan of that thing.

Gaudy, tacky and looked like it was trying too hard.

Looked like a giant wicker trash can.

 

Besides, even many of the survivors say it's unnecessary and exploitive.

Build a tasteful, understated memorial on the site and be happy with it. 

2 hours ago, orlandouprise said:

....meanwhile Miami is swimming in billion  dollar projects.

Gee, I just can't figure out why that is....  

Hmmmmmmmm.......