Charlotte Pipe &Foundry redevelopment

[go_vertical]

Very nice.  I like the addition of the silver line stops.  I wasn't even putting any thought towards that with mine.  I really think this general framework for the foundry land could be a winning plan.  It just seems to fit all to well IMO.

[DMann]

What is the possibility of Tepper building a Soccer Stadium on that site and redevelop around it?  I truly believe that moving the stadium out of its current site will be a disaster for parking, dining, entertaining, etc as the Iron District site would need to replicate all of that to be feasible.  Throw in the difficulty of handling traffic and it becomes a nightmare.

[TheRealClayton]

7 hours ago, DMann said:

What is the possibility of Tepper building a Soccer Stadium on that site and redevelop around it?  I truly believe that moving the stadium out of its current site will be a disaster for parking, dining, entertaining, etc as the Iron District site would need to replicate all of that to be feasible.  Throw in the difficulty of handling traffic and it becomes a nightmare.

There is no scenario where Tepper builds two stadiums. I don't know why people keep thinking that.

[atlrvr]

Sure there is.  MLS/NFL on the Charlotte Pipe land.  New Charlotte Rays stadium where current Panther stadium is 

As far as parking.  There is going to be new I-77 ramp I think for this, basically at Summit.

[CLT Development]

1 hour ago, atlrvr said:

Sure there is.  MLS/NFL on the Charlotte Pipe land.  New Charlotte Rays stadium where current Panther stadium is 

As far as parking.  There is going to be new I-77 ramp I think for this, basically at Summit.

Never happening ever. 

Second part is correct.

[tozmervo]

Would the real clayton please stand up?

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

This may have been just Tep talking, but could have sworn I heard him mention a possible SSS (soccer specific stadium) where the current panther practice fields are.  This was during one of his pressers or interviews I believe. Not going to happen most likely but I believe it was mentioned. 

[SydneyCarton]

I wonder if this means that there won't be a new stadium.

The photos in the article look great.  I think that these renovations could make this a really impressive facility.

Here’s what $50 million in upgrades to BOA Stadium for Panthers, Charlotte FC look like

BY ALEX ANDREJEV AND ELLIS L. WILLIAMS UPDATED FEBRUARY 07, 2022 6:54 PM

Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article258133483.html#storylink=cpy

 

 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article258133483.html

Edited February 8, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[CTiger]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I wonder if this means that there won't be a new stadium.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article258133483.html

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article258133483.html

Nah, spending this money on stadium upgrades was essentially a prerequisite to getting an MLS team so it was going to get spent either way.  And while it sounds like a lot of money, $50m is really just a drop in the bucket when you zoom out and think about Tepper's overall plans for the Panthers, Charlotte FC, and a new entertainment district in that part of the city.  I think a new stadium is bound to happen, but the timeline and details are still very hazy.

[CLT Development]

3 minutes ago, CTiger said:

Nah, spending this money on stadium upgrades was essentially a prerequisite to getting an MLS team so it was going to get spent either way.  And while it sounds like a lot of money, $50m is really just a drop in the bucket when you zoom out and think about Tepper's overall plans for the Panthers, Charlotte FC, and a new entertainment district in that part of the city.  I think a new stadium is bound to happen, but the timeline and details are still very hazy.

Most of the changes are fairly cosmetic anyways and get swapped out every few years. Signage, LED Screens, the rest were to increase fan experience and prepare the stadium soccer and its consistently different fanbase.

Edited February 8, 2022 by The Real Clayton

[Reverie39]

Tepper wants to start hosting Super Bowls in Charlotte, seems to me. And I think that would be really cool. But it will probably require a new stadium. If you look at the Super Bowl rotations, I think almost all the stadiums are pretty new and absolutely state of the art (exception being the Superdome). They prefer domes too although maybe not a requirement given the pleasant climate of Charlotte.

I think the NFL also understandably requires a certain amount of hotel rooms within some radius of the stadium. I know at one point many years ago, Charlotte had not hit this requirement. I'm not sure if that's changed since then.

[Madison Parkitect]

$50 million is nothing compared to the literal MULTIPLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS that it might cost to build a new stadium.

[deleted account]

13 hours ago, Reverie39 said:

Tepper wants to start hosting Super Bowls in Charlotte, seems to me. And I think that would be really cool. But it will probably require a new stadium. If you look at the Super Bowl rotations, I think almost all the stadiums are pretty new and absolutely state of the art (exception being the Superdome). They prefer domes too although maybe not a requirement given the pleasant climate of Charlotte.

I think the NFL also understandably requires a certain amount of hotel rooms within some radius of the stadium. I know at one point many years ago, Charlotte had not hit this requirement. I'm not sure if that's changed since then.

A new stadium in Charlotte gets ONE Super Bowl and it will have to have a roof (no roof, no game). A new stadium does get us in the rotation for Final Fours and possibly a football national championship game. 

[CTiger]

2 hours ago, JBS said:

A new stadium in Charlotte gets ONE Super Bowl and it will have to have a roof (no roof, no game). A new stadium does get us in the rotation for Final Fours and possibly a football national championship game. 

The economics of this are going to be very interesting.  How much money do you have to pump into a stadium in order to see the benefits of attracting major events?  Las Vegas and now Los Angeles having state of the art facilities and endless entertainment and lodging options is going to be really tough competition.   Maybe if the stadium is 10 years down the line we could be the flashiest thing out there at that point.

[JRCLT]

The economics of this are going to be very interesting.  How much money do you have to pump into a stadium in order to see the benefits of attracting major events?  Las Vegas and now Los Angeles having state of the art facilities and endless entertainment and lodging options is going to be really tough competition.   Maybe if the stadium is 10 years down the line we could be the flashiest thing out there at that point.

One benefit at least is that if Tepper hammers down the foundry land it will be the “flashiest” stadium with the closest proximity to its city’s center.

[Blue_Devil]

4 minutes ago, JeanClt said:

One benefit at least is that if Tepper hammers down the foundry land it will be the “flashiest” stadium with the closest proximity to its city’s center.

With its own built in Entertainment district, and SouthEnd's own retail/shopping/food/entertainment district starting less than a mile away. 

[videtur quam contuor]

What other developer would find that property attractive? Tepper should not be the sole bidder. With giant projects a few blocks up the street and the highway so very close it may have other uses?

[wilmore]

3 hours ago, CTiger said:

The economics of this are going to be very interesting.  How much money do you have to pump into a stadium in order to see the benefits of attracting major events?  Las Vegas and now Los Angeles having state of the art facilities and endless entertainment and lodging options is going to be really tough competition.   Maybe if the stadium is 10 years down the line we could be the flashiest thing out there at that point.

We'd have to spend way, way more than those benefits will bring into the city. We shouldn't do what every other city has already done AFTER they have done it. Charlotte will never be the best option for a Super Bowl type event, chasing these is a quixotic waste of money, effort, and time. 

[Blue_Devil]

2 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

What other developer would find that property attractive? Tepper should not be the sole bidder. With giant projects a few blocks up the street and the highway so very close it may have other uses?

I feel like Tepper wants to have a legacy here in Charlotte with the moves he is making. He wants to be Charlotte's Rockefeller. Sports teams, development, donations. I wouldn't be surprised if he donates a crap ton to Queens to get naming rights on a bunch of stuff. 

[JRCLT]

The foundry land is large and doesn’t have to be sold in its entirety.

[tozmervo]

16 hours ago, wilmore said:

We'd have to spend way, way more than those benefits will bring into the city. We shouldn't do what every other city has already done AFTER they have done it. Charlotte will never be the best option for a Super Bowl type event, chasing these is a quixotic waste of money, effort, and time. 

I abhor the idea of spending untold millions to get a stupid one-weekend event, but I also disagree that Charlotte wouldn't be a good option for a Superbowl. Had this city not absolutely owned the 2012 DNC, I might think otherwise, but I think that event proved this city can pull off special events in a special way.

[CLT2014]

It is going to be 46 degrees this Super Bowl Sunday and raining in Charlotte.... the exact reason we would be a one and done location to thank us for building a new stadium... until it starts becoming "too old" and we have to tear it down all over again to justify earning a second Super Bowl (such as Dallas that has hosted only once, despite massive population, hotels, great airport, central location, et.). I know we are warmer than Detroit, Boston, New York, et... but we are definitely much more miserable than the typical host cities the NFL goes back to time and time again because they have perfect winter weather. February is also one of the most likely months for snow in Charlotte and when that happens, all hell breaks out. Imagine if the Super Bowl was like one of our three back to back snow weekends this January.... American Airlines completely shut down with flights canceled, roads a mess, hotel staff unable to get to work, et.... If you were spending $8,000 on tickets, would you rather spend time shopping and walking around with a 42 degree February day in Charlotte or a 80 degree day in Las Vegas? 

We now got Los Angeles (going to be 85 degrees this Super Bowl), Las Vegas (73 degrees), Phoenix (80 degrees), Miami (77 degrees), Tampa (65 degrees), Houston (59 degrees), New Orleans (54 degrees), et.. all eligible to host very pleasant Super Bowls when a city with a brand new stadium isn't getting their turn to thank them for spending $$$. While Charlotte has "better than up north" weather in February, some of these other cities we would compete again have largely PERFECT winter weather. 

Edited February 9, 2022 by CLT2014

[turbocraig]

2 minutes ago, CLT2014 said:

It is going to be 46 degrees this Super Bowl Sunday and raining in Charlotte.... the exact reason we would be a one and done location to thank us for building a new stadium... until it starts becoming "too old" and we have to tear it down all over again to justify earning a second Super Bowl (such as Dallas that has hosted only once, despite massive population, hotels, great airport, central location, et.). I know we are warmer than Detroit, Boston, New York, et... but we are definitely much more miserable than the typical host cities the NFL goes back to time and time again because they have perfect winter weather. If you were spending $8,000 on tickets, would you rather spend time shopping and walking around with a 42 degree February day in Charlotte or a 80 degree day in Las Vegas? 

We now got Los Angeles (going to be 85 degrees this Super Bowl), Las Vegas (73 degrees), Phoenix (80 degrees), Miami (77 degrees), Tampa (65 degrees), Houston (59 degrees), New Orleans (54 degrees), et.. all eligible to host very pleasant Super Bowls when a city with a brand new stadium isn't up to bat. 

I hear you, and all that makes sense, but it’s the Super Bowl, right?  Are they worried it won’t sell out?  If the NFL sells every ticket they can, and they will every time, why do they care what people do when they leave the stadium?  

[go_vertical]

While money is no doubt a major focus with the Super Bowl, a pleasant fan experience is certainly at the center of it.  Do you think Jacksonville is ever going to get another one? 

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28 minutes ago, go_vertical said:

While money is no doubt a major focus with the Super Bowl, a pleasant fan experience is certainly at the center of it.  Do you think Jacksonville is ever going to get another one? 

Assuming the team doesn't relocate, they would need a new stadium and a ton of new hotels. So, unlikely in the foreseeable future.