Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[uberkarnie]

Also, 85% 1BR, 15% 2BR

[smeagolsfree]

3 hours ago, uberkarnie said:

I attended the first meeting between the development team and neighbors in my role on the HWEN board on Tuesday. This was an initial meeting meant for immediate neighbors of this project only (maybe 50 people,) future meetings will include the broader neighborhood/community. The plan is for "luxury" rental. The meeting was contentious, with several neighbors storming out during Q&A. I think the massing of this new design is a significant improvement, all height is located along 21st and the southern edge bordering the under construction animal hospital. The West Linden side would be designed in a row house/town house style with stoops etc. The western edge would be 3 stories. The design  includes taking 12' on the west side of the property, combining that with an existing 12' ROW to add a buffer alley/entrance on the back side between the development and existing houses. It also takes 12' from the property on the West Linden side to add on street parking and landscaping elements. They want to put a small green space and outdoor dining for the retail space at the intersection of 21st and West Linden. The developers mentioned that NDOT will not allow a traffic signal at the intersection, but has agreed to the previous plan of a signaled crosswalk. They're going to have to go back to the drawing board on this or do some serious community outreach, though. Several neighbors insisted it should not be taller than 5 stories, others were mad about only having 217 parking spaces. The biggest concern was traffic. Both entrances would be on West Linden with the one closest to 21st being right turn only for ingress and egress. The other entrance would be from the newly created "alley" mentioned before. This would certainly funnel most traffic towards Natchez Trace or Woodlawn as a left turn onto 21st would be difficult most of the time. I certainly have traffic concerns and wish it included some percentage of affordable units, but the land owners have super deep pockets and are asking a fortune, so something has to give. 

So, what do they really want. Even at 5 stories they are still going to have to deal with traffic and Metro is not going to do an entrance on 21st. I will bet any traffic study will back that up. I don't know why they are upset about 217 parking spaces. Many folks in the city only have 1 car these days. Cars are becoming more and more expensive. Hard to get off the lot for under 40K for a new one.

The ones that walked out are the ones that want a vacant lot there and are unwilling to listen to any kind of reason. They balked at 7 and want 5. Spit the difference and that is 6. My guess is the Carrell family is firm on the price of the land and the developers have to make this work financially.

[andywildman]

3 hours ago, uberkarnie said:

I attended the first meeting between the development team and neighbors in my role on the HWEN board on Tuesday. This was an initial meeting meant for immediate neighbors of this project only (maybe 50 people,) future meetings will include the broader neighborhood/community. The plan is for "luxury" rental. The meeting was contentious, with several neighbors storming out during Q&A. I think the massing of this new design is a significant improvement, all height is located along 21st and the southern edge bordering the under construction animal hospital. The West Linden side would be designed in a row house/town house style with stoops etc. The western edge would be 3 stories. The design  includes taking 12' on the west side of the property, combining that with an existing 12' ROW to add a buffer alley/entrance on the back side between the development and existing houses. It also takes 12' from the property on the West Linden side to add on street parking and landscaping elements. They want to put a small green space and outdoor dining for the retail space at the intersection of 21st and West Linden. The developers mentioned that NDOT will not allow a traffic signal at the intersection, but has agreed to the previous plan of a signaled crosswalk. They're going to have to go back to the drawing board on this or do some serious community outreach, though. Several neighbors insisted it should not be taller than 5 stories, others were mad about only having 217 parking spaces. The biggest concern was traffic. Both entrances would be on West Linden with the one closest to 21st being right turn only for ingress and egress. The other entrance would be from the newly created "alley" mentioned before. This would certainly funnel most traffic towards Natchez Trace or Woodlawn as a left turn onto 21st would be difficult most of the time. I certainly have traffic concerns and wish it included some percentage of affordable units, but the land owners have super deep pockets and are asking a fortune, so something has to give. 

I understand that wealthy homeowners are mad that their public street may see more public users, but the hubris of someone believing that they should be able to exercise that level of control over someone else's property just boggles my mind.

[Nash_12South]

The whole reason for these type meetings is to allow property owners to come together and vent as a neighbors. I think it's preferable to social media where we can all hide with levels of anonymity.

I've been to meetings where folks who are nasty online get shot down fairly quickly when their neighbors start weighing in back at them.  The pushback is also reflective of the fact that some many folks are home 7 days a week now versus 2 days (weekends), pre COVID.  They are a lot more invested in a peaceful , quiet neighborhood than in years past. Another thing folks consider is that once you open the door to 6 floors, why not 7, then why not 9.  A lot of this fight, from my sense, is about stopping, or at least downsizing the next project. 

Personally, I really like the project, but I won't be living near it.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Nash_12South

[uberkarnie]

I like it, and I think it will set the tone for 8-10 lots in this corridor that are also under-zoned/underdeveloped. I think my neighbors need to understand that we could almost extend the feel of the village all the way to Woodlawn with several of these projects over the next 15-20 years. Then we can start to talk about dedicated bus lanes, protected bike lanes etc. They all want and love a walkable neighborhood and also want expanded transit options. They don't realize that's not happening until the need is there with the way Nashville approaches transit. I'm going to suggest that they seek elevated crosswalks at every intersection on West Linden between Natchez Trace and 21st to be paid by the developer. This would alleviate concerns about speeding/cut throughs etc and be a template for the rest of the neighborhood/city. To my knowledge, these are not currently available solutions under the NDOT traffic calming program. (I have no idea how much this would cost, just thinking of possible solutions.) This, combined with the project already mitigating existing stormwater issues for properties to the west, ought to sway all but the owners closest to the project.

[I still want to push for an affordable component, but that seems like a reach]

Edited October 27, 2022 by uberkarnie
additional context

[markhollin]

 1/3 block south of Horton Ave:Harmony (3 stories, 7 units, underground parking) update: topped out.

Looking SW from 16th Ave. South, 1/3 block south of Horton Ave:
 

[uberkarnie]

They're also not as familiar with zoning/development procedure as some of us who are more obsessed. Many can't get over that the site is zoned for 30 units, even though that zoning also would allow additional office space. They don't realize that it's an outdated and ridiculous zoning designation from a more suburban focused era. I'm not sure the St Louis based developers were prepared for the blowback, but it's the same design team as before, so they should have been prepared.

[smeagolsfree]

These guys faced the same thing with the development they tried to do on 18th Ave. Someone should have armed them. I should be a consultant to some of these guys.

I knew they would get blow back over there too.

I give out a lot of information for free to a lot of folks. 

[markhollin]

Justice Center (2 stories, renovation of former retail structure) update: topped-out.

Looking SW from intersection of Murfreesboro Pike and Fairfield Ave:

Looking SE from intersection of Murfreesboro Pike and Lewis St:

[markhollin]

Margeaux Midtown/Woodfield (5 & 6 stories, 292 units, internal garage) update.

Looking NE from Church St. at 17th Ave. North:

Looking SE from Patterson St., 1/2 block east of 17th Ave. North:

[markhollin]

Third & Mildred Shute (3 stories, 64 units, ground level retail) update: more steelwork slowly being added.

Looking SE from Mildred Shute Ave., 1/2 block east of 4th Ave. South:

Looking SW from intersection of Mildred Shute Ave. and 3rd Ave. South:

[markhollin]

Westerly House (6 stories, 246 units, internal garage) update: excavation continues.

Looking NE from Hamilton Ave., 1/2 bock east of Fort Negley Blvd:

 

[markhollin]

Vanderbilt Owen Graduate School Of Business (5 stories, 48,000 sq. ft. internal garage) update.

Looking SW from intersection of Grand Ave. and 21st Ave. South:

[markhollin]

WeHo Nashville (6 stories, 150 units, 10,000 sq. ft. of ground level retail, internal garage) update: up to 3rd level on south side.

Looking south from intersection of Wedgewood Ave. and Stewart Place:

[markhollin]

The Chartwell at Marathon Village (5 -7 stories, 379 units, 4,000 sq. ft. of ground level retail, internal garage) has landed a $31.8 million permit for the build-out of the shell.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/notes-works-continues-on-paseo-south-gulch/article_6fed6fde-5704-11ed-8b8a-ab458cc0dde1.html

[markhollin]

1818 20th Ave. South (3 stories, office space, internal garage) update: Brick and glass work nearly complete.

Looking NE from intersection of Acklen Ave. and 20th Ave. South:

Looking SE from 20th Ave. South, 1/2 block north of Acklen Ave:

[markhollin]

Lofts at Marathon (4 & 5 stories, 320 units, internal garage) update: small tower crane up; western section topped-out.

Looking SE from 16th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Clinton St:

Looking NE from 16th Ave. North, 1/4 block north of Clinton St:

Looking west from 14th Ave. North, 1/4 block north of CSX tracks:

Looking west from 14th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of CSX tracks:

[sambo]

On 10/20/2022 at 8:12 AM, markhollin said:

2401 21st Ave. South will be a 6 and 3 story residential development featuring 180 units, 1,500 sq. ft. of ground level retail, and an internal garage by Ridgehouse Capital. Smith GeeStudio will be the architect.  The team, along with Metro District 18 Councilman Tom Cash are eager to have meetings with the neighborhood before making a formal presentation to Metro Planning.  

As you may recall, a 7 story mixed-use project by Evergreen Investment for the same site faced heavy resistance from the local community, and was withdrawn. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/mixed-use-building-eyed-for-21st-avenue-site-near-i-440/article_cb47bfb4-4fee-11ed-ac2d-f382702f109f.html

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

Hopefully they can get that one built. I wish somebody would develop all the parking lots they have over in Hillsboro Village and especially the ones between Blakemore and Belcourt. I'm sure the residents would say it ruins the character lol. I lived on Fairfax Ave, and there definitely should be a lot more activity over than there is right now. A lot of the shops over there close frequently. 

[markhollin]

Rock Block Flats (6 stories, 30 units, ground level retail) update: more excavation, and shaving back walls off of existing Elliston Place storefronts.

Views from the alley behind Elliston Place:

[MLBrumby]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

Rock Block Flats (6 stories, 30 units, ground level retail) update: more excavation, and shaving back walls off of existing Elliston Place storefronts.

Views from the alley behind Elliston Place:

Is that first pic the back of the old Obie's, where you could get a pan full of dough with a dab of marinara from a jar?  

[markhollin]

2 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

Is that first pic the back of the old Obie's, where you could get a pan full of dough with a dab of marinara from a jar?  

The building that once housed Obie's is further down the block to the west and is unaffected by this development.  It is an ice cream shop now. Sure enjoyed some Obie's deep dish back in the day, though.  : )

[markhollin]

Humphreys and Pillow Townhomes (3 stories, 4 units?) update: exterior nearly complete.

Looking NE from intersection of Humphreys St. and Pillow St:

[markhollin]

Music Row Apts. (7 stories, 105 units, ground level retail, underground garage) update: up to 2nd level on western side of site.

Looking SW from intersection of Grand Ave. and 16th Ave. South:

Looking NE from alley between 16th and 17th Aves. South, 1/8 block south of Grand Ave:

[markhollin]

1030 Music Row has leased another 26,120 sq. ft. to Ampersand Studios, a workspace provider out of Miami.   The 11 year agreement starts next summer.  Energy Box is another primary tenant in the 5 story 112,290 sq. ft. building that opened earlier this year.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/miami-flexible-workspace-provider-set-for-music-row/article_d0a415c6-5ac4-11ed-9178-3b47d0d589db.html
 

[PaulChinetti]

Pretty building. When all of it's trees get big it'll nestled right in there.