SouthPark neighborhood Projects

[InSouthPark]

On 3/29/2023 at 9:11 PM, KJHburg said:

check out this plan for behind the Southpark Towers on Fairview.  a 5 story Medical office building on the surface parking lot next to the Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and then a 17 story?? apartment tower behind it.  Page 41 of 48 of this public meeting documentation of shows 9 levels of apartments I think atop 8 levels of parking (which would be used the office buildings and apartments)  and some additional retail on the other side of the almost twin Southpark Towers.  

https://charlottenc.gov/planning/Rezoning/RezoningPetitions/2022-Petitions/Documents/Community_Meeting_Reports/2022_147_CMR.PDF

 

Wouldn't 8 levels of parking and 9 levels of apartments on top be pushing the 220' max?  Maybe a garage wrapped with apartments like Piedmont Town Center across the street?

[KJHburg]

2 hours ago, InSouthPark said:

Wouldn't 8 levels of parking and 9 levels of apartments on top be pushing the 220' max?  Maybe a garage wrapped with apartments like Piedmont Town Center across the street?

No not really 9 feet per parking floor and 10 tops for apartment levels.

[KJHburg]

Childress Klein has applied for a rezoning for the last phase of its Apex Southpark development and it will be all residential no office component now.  Sounds likes a high rise too maybe 15 floors or so. 

""Local developer Childress Klein has filed a rezoning petition for the final phase of its Apex SouthPark mixed-use project.

The rezoning will modify the existing approved rezoning to allow for the development of 400 residential units. The new plan eliminates a previously planned office component. The 2.23-acre site on Sharon Road, across from SouthPark Mall is currently zoned for mixed-use development and residential. The petition will change the zoning to regional activity center, conditional under the city's unified development ordinance, which takes effect in June.

The RAC zoning allows for a maximum height of up to 275 feet, though the site plan shows the multifamily building won’t go above 250 feet.

“The project will bring housing options as part of a master plan in a pedestrian-oriented environment to support the thriving SouthPark area,” according to a Friday evening news release.""

from the Biz Journal tonight 

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/03/31/childress-klein-files.html

existing Apex website https://www.apexsouthpark.com/

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by KJHburg

[sclark]

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/04/04/simon-property-group-buys-southpark-hotel.html

Simon purchasing the Hampton Inn @ Philips Place. Anyone have any insight on the significance of this? Land purchase? Potential rebranding?

[KJHburg]

27 minutes ago, sclark said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/04/04/simon-property-group-buys-southpark-hotel.html

Simon purchasing the Hampton Inn @ Philips Place. Anyone have any insight on the significance of this? Land purchase? Potential rebranding?

it was discussed over in the southpark mall thread.  Here is my take;  Simon bought this Hampton Inn to keep it a Hampton Inn thus to hurt efforts of competitor Lincoln Harris in attracting luxury retailers to Phillips Place.  Simon just got a $5 BILLION line of credit so this is chump change for them but keeps a competitor at somewhat disadvantage.  Some luxury retailers looking at PP would like to be around a more upscale hotel brand (even though this is a very expensive Hampton Inn) so this was a chess move by Simon.  Simon does own a few hotels but they are all seem to be at their malls, in the parking lots of their malls and immediately adjoining the mall.  But how many luxury retailers could PP even attract they don't have much vacant space and only new space will be in the base of their new 10 story office building.  But if I was Lincoln Harris I would convert that to a mixed use tower with some hotel rooms get a luxury brand  and keep some office space.  That might require a rezoning though.  But Simon is playing hard ball here and you don't become the largest owner of malls on planet earth by playing nice all the time.  

[turbocraig]

If Simon really wanted to checkmate, they could turn it into a Motel 6.

[KJHburg]

46 minutes ago, turbocraig said:

If Simon really wanted to checkmate, they could turn it into a Motel 6.

they might be extremely competitive but not totally stupid.  the hotel mints cash as it is always busy and a popular location. 

[Prodev]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear an announcement that they've closed on the acquisition of Phillips Place in the next ~30 days. It's purely speculation, but otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them to just buy the hotel since that's not their core business and gives them no angle. 

[InSouthPark]

14 minutes ago, Prodev said:

I wouldn't be surprised to hear an announcement that they've closed on the acquisition of Phillips Place in the next ~30 days. It's purely speculation, but otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them to just buy the hotel since that's not their core business and gives them no angle. 

That makes infinite more sense. Buy the shopping center, buy the hotel, and redevelop into a luxury hotel to help said shopping center.  Buying the HI to keep others from developing it into a luxury hotel so that luxury retailers "might" not go to Phillips Place sounds like a plan that was hatched on the internet, not a board room meeting.  

[AltNative]

 

27 minutes ago, InSouthPark said:

That makes infinite more sense. Buy the shopping center, buy the hotel, and redevelop into a luxury hotel to help said shopping center.  Buying the HI to keep others from developing it into a luxury hotel so that luxury retailers "might" not go to Phillips Place sounds like a plan that was hatched on the internet, not a board room meeting.  

If the people who also own Highland Park Village hadn't just bought a huge stake in PP I would think that's plausible. But from what I've heard the HPV people have big plans for the center. 

I think there's a joke to be made about PP+HPV...

[InSouthPark]

17 minutes ago, AltNative said:

 

If the people who also own Highland Park Village hadn't just bought a huge stake in PP I would think that's plausible. But from what I've heard the HPV people have big plans for the center. 

I think there's a joke to be made about PP+HPV...

Then why not Simon buy the majority stake from Harris and let the HPV do their ,luxury management thing as minority investors?   Isn't it pretty common for LH to sell stuff before they start new development?  Simon is the biggest retail owner in country.  Wouldn't HPV benefit more from the Simon as owners vs LH?  They certainly have more connections.

[AltNative]

@InSouthPark All good points and I certainly agree that it would make more sense for Simon to operate a luxury shopping center over LH.  But LH is also doing their 10 story office tower at the end of the strip so not sure how that factors in. Maybe Johnny did/will sell the center to Simon with the stipulation that he gets to build his tower as he wishes. Look forward to seeing what happens though

[Rufus]

It just doesn't make sense that Simon purchases the hotel to prevent other competition. Southpark is filled to the brim, and there isn't much space to add new retail there. PP complements the mall so well in terms of a potential higher-end luxury market. It would be good business for Simon to make sure PP is as successful as possible so it can continue to push customers to go between the two centers. I mean, HPV and Northpark Center are much further apart in Dallas, but the symbiotic nature of the two is really well done. I can only imagine Southpark and PP being the same. 

[InSouthPark]

Looks like Suffolk Punch is planning to open the Southpark Taproom in May:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/whats-in-store/article274177835.html#storylink=mainstage_card

6000sf and 400 seats inside with another 4000sf outside area.   Will be interesting to see how they do.  Legion in Southpark is still busy the times I go, especially if the weather is nice.  I think it will be a big hit...if they got the outdoor area right.  People already at the mall will go in for a beer regardless.  But if you build the outdoor area right, it will attract the locals to stop by more-frequently.  

[nakers2]

Looks like the new development ordinance is inspiring some folks in Southpark. This is the first (or second depending on how you view it) home on Sharon Lane. I believe this area is still Southpark. If you're confused, this is the front yard of a large home being subdivided into I assume either townhomes or possible single family development. Perhaps not the best density as it is still car dependent, but Sharon Ln is *relatively* less congested than other area streets, and density is density in my book. 

[ArchiCLT]

4 minutes ago, nakers2 said:

Looks like the new development ordinance is inspiring some folks in Southpark. This is the first (or second depending on how you view it) home on Sharon Lane. I believe this area is still Southpark. If you're confused, this is the front yard of a large home being subdivided into I assume either townhomes or possible single family development. Perhaps not the best density as it is still car dependent, but Sharon Ln is *relatively* less congested than other area streets, and density is density in my book. 

Yes, this one has been very interesting to follow since the beginning, on my daily lunch commutes. Glad the utility tie-in work under the road is finally nearing completion. Also, 2 doors down at 2317, there's a new home under construction that seems to have stalled, with a new For Sale sign by the road.

[ertley]

24 minutes ago, nakers2 said:

Looks like the new development ordinance is inspiring some folks in Southpark. This is the first (or second depending on how you view it) home on Sharon Lane. I believe this area is still Southpark. If you're confused, this is the front yard of a large home being subdivided into I assume either townhomes or possible single family development. Perhaps not the best density as it is still car dependent, but Sharon Ln is *relatively* less congested than other area streets, and density is density in my book. 

I have to confess, when I first saw this picture and posting, I was perturbed. I'm just as much of an advocate of anyone for urban density, but I'm also in favor of historic preservation, and so the hairs on the back of my neck went up when I saw a CUL DE SAC plopped in front of a solid, big old (for Charlotte) house.

Then I realized it was Sharon Lane and not Road, and I was like, "Eh, not as big of a deal," so I then went and looked up this lot subdivision on Polaris...and this could be really interesting, in a good way, or a massive failure.

At least according to Polaris mapping, there's a U shaped drive that should be going in around the perimeter (of the former front yard), and this cul de sac is...secondary? primary? and providing common access to most of the new lots. IF--IMO--this cul de sac is not the primary drive but instead functions as sort of alley/garage access, and the new houses face outward to the new perimeter drive, then I say, "Well done" and "Well thought out."

If, though--and I'm so used to being disappointed that I'm worried the alternative is more likely--that this cul de sac *is* the primary drive for the new houses and the other is only there for access to the old house (and two or three lots around it, then "BOO."

[ArchiCLT]

8 minutes ago, ertley said:

I have to confess, when I first saw this picture and posting, I was perturbed. I'm just as much of an advocate of anyone for urban density, but I'm also in favor of historic preservation, and so the hairs on the back of my neck went up when I saw a CUL DE SAC plopped in front of a solid, big old (for Charlotte) house.

Then I realized it was Sharon Lane and not Road, and I was like, "Eh, not as big of a deal," so I then went and looked up this lot subdivision on Polaris...and this could be really interesting, in a good way, or a massive failure.

At least according to Polaris mapping, there's a U shaped drive that should be going in around the perimeter (of the former front yard), and this cul de sac is...secondary? primary? and providing common access to most of the new lots. IF--IMO--this cul de sac is not the primary drive but instead functions as sort of alley/garage access, and the new houses face outward to the new perimeter drive, then I say, "Well done" and "Well thought out."

If, though--and I'm so used to being disappointed that I'm worried the alternative is more likely--that this cul de sac *is* the primary drive for the new houses and the other is only there for access to the old house (and two or three lots around it, then "BOO."

Found it! https://foxcroftplace.com/

[Madison Parkitect]

Could be denser but that rear parking with the houses facing a small public green is pretty sexy.

[Reverie39]

Ngl, I've always wondered why we don't see more of the rear parking with buildings closer to streets or green areas. It is way more visually pleasing without changing much functionality. Even for like suburban strip malls and things.

[KJHburg]

Phillips Places signs up 2 new to the market retailers.

""Two more high-end retailers are headed to Phillips Place in SouthPark. The center says fashion brands alice + olivia and Jenni Kayne expect to open stores there this fall.

This will be the first alice + olivia location in North Carolina, according to a press release.

Launched in 2002, that brand was created by Stacey Bendet in her quest to create the perfect pair of pants. It has grown into a full lifestyle collection, including ready-to-wear styles, gowns, shoes, accessories and handbags. Celebrities including Beyoncé, Taylor Swift and Sarah Jessica Parker are said to be fans of the brand.

Jenni Kayne is a California lifestyle brand that aims to inspire women to live well every day. The store will carry a collection of apparel and home goods as well as the brand’s newly launched beauty and skincare line, Oak Essentials.

The latest additions at Phillips Place will join luxury fashion brand Veronica Beard, which plans to open its first store in the Carolinas there in May.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/04/21/alice-olivia-jenni-kayne-phillips-place-southpark.html

[SydneyCarton]

I don’t think that every area needs to be dense. The homes on the streets off of Sharon Lane are beautiful. I’d rather see estate-type homes in this area than density.


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[ArchiCLT]

On 4/21/2023 at 9:48 AM, Madison Parkitect said:

Could be denser but that rear parking with the houses facing a small public green is pretty sexy.

On 4/21/2023 at 10:07 AM, Reverie39 said:

Ngl, I've always wondered why we don't see more of the rear parking with buildings closer to streets or green areas. It is way more visually pleasing without changing much functionality. Even for like suburban strip malls and things.

Dense and visually pleasing? Not in SouthPark, but I formally present to you, Queen City Townes at Old Pineville & Scholtz. (Redeeming Note: It's a 5-minute walk to the Woodlawn LYNX Station.)

[go_vertical]

So many new townhome projects look EXACTLY like this and its nasuea inducing.  I would never buy into one of these.  I was in one that is a carbon copy of this several months ago and some kids were playing in the alley in-between the units and the amount of echo was just sad.  Such a dismal place to live.

[nicholas]

Can't remember if pics have been posted yet but the movie theater is gone.