Gameday Center | Tallahassee

[poonther]

I agree with you who do not like the signage. It looks about the same as the roof, cheap and ugly.

I fired off a letter to Gameday, the Mayor, the City Manager and all Commissioners about the "trailer park signage" on Kleman Plaza. It shall be interesting to see what they have to say about it, if of course anything at all.

[poonther]

If they could have accomplished the same shaped letters with the individual metal pieces as you all prefer that would be my #1 choice. But I'm not one to complain about something as minor as this.

I didn't complain about the Harry's signage either, and I don't recall hearing any of you complain about it. Nor the signage at the IMAX.

MINOR????? Bad signage is NEVER minor my friend.

You are right those two signs are crap too, but the Gameday Center signage is ultra crappy. The block lettering of the IMAX is much better than Harry's, but Gameday is the pits. The sign code does really need to be changed for this area.

[Florida]

While we're complaining about signage, why don't you draw their attention to the ugly letters they put up besides the Oddessy science center. They took some rather decent letters down, and replaced them with crap after the TCC remodel.

MINOR????? Bad signage is NEVER minor my friend.

You are right those two signs are crap too, but the Gameday Center signage is ultra crappy. The block lettering of the IMAX is much better than Harry's, but Gameday is the pits. The sign code does really need to be changed for this area.

I suppose your eye for signs is about as good as my best friend's eye for fashion. I can't see it, although I do understand where you're coming from.

[poonther]

While we're complaining about signage, why don't you draw their attention to the ugly letters they put up besides the Oddessy science center. They took some rather decent letters down, and replaced them with crap after the TCC remodel.

I suppose your eye for signs is about as good as my best friend's eye for fashion. I can't see it, although I do understand where you're coming from.

Really? I'll have to check that new sign out. Too late about the letters, already sent. It's a shame they are ruining the focal center of the city w/bad signage.

To me bad signage is like a bad haircut, you can shower up, shave, get all pretty and even go to the gym and pump yourself up, but if you've got a bad haircut, there's just no getting around it...it's a bad haircut and everyone knows it.

Signage is my thing man.

[Go Gators]

I would say the difference in Harrys and the Tally Center is that Harrys is a place of business, and the Tallahassee Center will be some peoples place of residence. I would think that (unfortunately) businesses can get away with it a little more.

[mracca]

I would say the difference in Harrys and the Tally Center is that Harrys is a place of business, and the Tallahassee Center will be some peoples place of residence. I would think that (unfortunately) businesses can get away with it a little more.

AGREE, and same goes for IMAX. These are Generic signs that they use every were, so ugly or not they have to use them, they are so well known that the General public can recognize it just by the shape, so there was really no room to complain or else I would have! Tallahassee Center sign was custom designed specifically for this building, it looks nothing like the building or the feel that the TC is going for in fact it looks very Chain-Like. If for example I was flipping through a book picking out a place to stay or visit and I saw the logo for La-Quinta, you can tell right-away that its a Spanish hotel and what it might look like because of the colors and the type of letters it uses. The TC logo or any logo as a matter of fact should have the same feel, if it was design by a good Artist.

*POONTHER* you go to the gym and pump your self up before going out??!!! We should work out sometime!!!...LMAO

My Sigange was sooo bad I shaved it off!!!!

[Florida]

Is not Gameday centers a chain? I know ours is Tallahassee Center and not Gameday Center, but there is still a generic form in which all of these properties are labeled. I wish I was able to show the signage for the Georgia or Auburn Center... I don't think ours is bad when compared to those. But I'll admit this isn't top quality stuff. Seems more corners were cut on this building than my mom used to cut off of my Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwitches.

BTW... grand opening ceremony set for November 4th.

[poonther]

While the Auburn Gameday isn't as big or nice as ours, the signage is definitely better!

mracca I don't "pump up" anymore before going out now since I've discovered padded underwear and t-shirts.

[Florida]

^Oh my! LOL!

[mracca]

Nice.... LOL

[poonther]

I only got a reply back fro D. Lightsey on my letter to the City Commission about the tacky/fugly sign at Gameday. One thing I'll say for Debbie is that I rarely write to the Commission w/out her responding, she's good at that for sure. She said she'd pass my letter on the proper channels and see what they said about it. Yeah brush off but I do appreciate her taking the time to write back.

But the last part of the letter slightly concerned me. She said she'd never noticed any signs at Kleman. She said that signage was something that she just never really noticed, but that she'd have a look at the Gameday next time she was in the Plaza. That part does bother me. Commissioners need to be aware and take notice of the aesthetics of our community and signage is a huge part of that.

How do you feel about that? I realize Commissioners can't notice or look into everything, but should they at least half-way notice bldg. appearances and signage at some level don't you think?

[Go Gators]

mracca I don't "pump up" anymore before going out now since I've discovered padded underwear and t-shirts.

I feel much better now that I know Im not the only one who uses these

[Florida]

^You guys can't be serious? I think Chuck Amato uses them too!

[south park county]

Padded sports bras you mean? Ugh.

[poonther]

^You guys can't be serious? I think Chuck Amato uses them too!

No TJ, I don't have man-boobs. I have heard of padded undies that make your butt look fuller and also of briefs that push the package out more.

Chucky bless his heart he needs a MANNSIER for those 40 D cups.

[poonther]

Here's the reponse I got from the City Commission about the "the fishing cap pin" sign over at Kleman:

Thank you for contacting the City Commission regarding the sign at the Gameday Center. The sign meets the guidelines established the City's ordinances and was approved by the Kleman Plaza Design Review Board.

We are looking at modifying the existing design guidelines to ensure more attractive signs in the future. Again, thank you for bringing this to our attention and if I may be of assistance in the future, please contact me.

M'Lisa Ingram

Customer Service Specialist

on behalf of the City Commission

Of course I won't let it stop there w/a simple "it meets code" letter. I've written back asking exactly who is on this Kleman Plaza Design Review Board (they all need to be fired IMHO), when they expect to change/modify the design guidelines, a contact so I can discuss this in more detail w/a person in-the-know and asked Ms. Ingram if she'd seen the sign and what she personally thought of it.

I hope D. Lightsey isn't on this review board, she's already told me in an email she never notices signs or bldg. details.

[mracca]

Took comment off.

[Florida]

Here's the reponse I got from the City Commission about the "the fishing cap pin" sign over at Kleman:

Thank you for contacting the City Commission regarding the sign at the Gameday Center. The sign meets the guidelines established the City's ordinances and was approved by the Kleman Plaza Design Review Board.

We are looking at modifying the existing design guidelines to ensure more attractive signs in the future. Again, thank you for bringing this to our attention and if I may be of assistance in the future, please contact me.

M'Lisa Ingram

Customer Service Specialist

on behalf of the City Commission

Of course I won't let it stop there w/a simple "it meets code" letter. I've written back asking exactly who is on this Kleman Plaza Design Review Board (they all need to be fired IMHO), when they expect to change/modify the design guidelines, a contact so I can discuss this in more detail w/a person in-the-know and asked Ms. Ingram if she'd seen the sign and what she personally thought of it.

I hope D. Lightsey isn't on this review board, she's already told me in an email she never notices signs or bldg. details.

M'Lisa is a personal friend of mine. One of the finest City Employees I know. She works in the City Manager's Office, directly for Michael Wright, the Assistant City Manager over Growth and Development among other things. Perhaps you should try to contact Michael Parker or someone in the Economic Development office, they do alot of work with the Kleman Plaza Design and Review Board.

[poonther]

M'Lisa is a personal friend of mine. One of the finest City Employees I know. She works in the City Manager's Office, directly for Michael Wright, the Assistant City Manager over Growth and Development among other things. Perhaps you should try to contact Michael Parker or someone in the Economic Development office, they do alot of work with the Kleman Plaza Design and Review Board.

Well good then if she's as fine of an employee as you say she is, then she'll realize how bad that sign is for Kleman.

I have already written her back and asked her those several questions I stated above. I also said if she could not answer them to forward the letter to someone who could or at least send me their email addy. I believe that D. Lightsey forwarded my letter on to Michael Parker. Trust me, they all know in City Hall that someone ain't happy w/that Gameday sign.

[Florida]

Any word on wether or not Gameday has landed tenants for its ground floor retail space?

[Relient J]

Tell me, what purpose do sign codes fulfill at all other than to infringe upon the rights of property holders? I can talk about how ugly or beautiful a company's sign is all day long, but it's not for me to decide why type of sign they use. I would honestly be interested in understanding why sign codes (particularly where something like aesthetics are concerned) are not a form of tyranny.

[humzai]

Using that logic all laws would be a form of tyranny. I think Talllahasse needs to have very strict sign ordinances on the order of Boca's.

[Relient J]

humzai, how would a business owner standing by his right to put up an ugly sign equate to all laws being tyrannical? Also, why do you think we should have sign ordinances?

[poonther]

Tell me, what purpose do sign codes fulfill at all other than to infringe upon the rights of property holders? I can talk about how ugly or beautiful a company's sign is all day long, but it's not for me to decide why type of sign they use. I would honestly be interested in understanding why sign codes (particularly where something like aesthetics are concerned) are not a form of tyranny.

A sign code helps set a community standard and appearance guidelines. It shows what your city is about and where it's going. Your argument could be applied to zoning and building aesthetics too. "Hey I own this property so why can't I put a lead plant here?. I own this residential property so I'm gonna put my brothel right next to a daycare center."

Without a sign code, folks would be permitted to build bigger and bigger signs. Your biz neighbor could put a sign up that blocks your sign, then in return you could put up a bigger one blocking his sign and so and so on and the next thing you know you have a street full of Las Vegas size signs.

Also w/out a sign code, signs could be installed in anyway a property owner wants and made of any materials a property owner desires. If this were allowed to happen then if a sign is not inspected and properly constructed and assembled, then we are taking safety issues here.

Did you know it's actually easier for patrons to read and understand uniform signs than it is to find a biz in a mass sign w/individual tenants allowed to use any color or font they want. A classic example of this is the shopping center sign on The Parkway where Leaning Tower Pizza is located (I forget the name) just east of Pep Boys/Circuit City. Next time you drive down that area ( I realize you can't anytime soon RJ) notice that sign and all the different tenant signs. Talk about pollution. Why clean up litter in a city w/out a sign code? Bad signage is nothing more than visual litter.

A proper sign code (notice I say proper and the details depend on what the city and its citizens want) shows civic pride and a understading for the greater good. When one builds in a city and projects his/her image in that city, it should confirm to that city's standards and guidelines.

[Relient J]

I would tend to agree with you that ultimately it's up to what the citizens of a given city want, and I think it's appalling that so few are outraged over these types of laws. I would also agree that we could very easily bring building and zoning codes into this discussion. I think part of the reason why this has been allowed to happen is that it tends to have more of a pronounced affect on business owners. I suspect there isn't more of an uprising against these kind of laws in the business community because they view it as part of a business transaction with their city in many cases.

I've also got to say that it's not the responsibility of government to make the world pretty or to make a business owner's sign more readable. The latter is absolutely the role of the business owner alone and the former is just plain subjective. I read an interesting quote on the subject from the writer of a brief in an old Supreme Court case who said, "That our cities should be made beautiful and orderly is, of course, in the highest degree desirable, but it is even more important that our people should remain free."