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2 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

All this talk about the wife, I can only think where the complaints were about the sexual harassment?

Uhhh... probably nowhere considering the Teppers to my knowledge had no connection to any of the sexual harassment stuff..? 

What is absolutely astounding is that Tepper came from being a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team generally regarded as one of the most well-run sports franchises of all time, and in just over five years in Charlotte has done the TOTAL opposite of anything and everything that the Steelers do.  There have been some crazy situations in the NFL before but the Panthers' current predicament is borderline unprecedented, like I'm not sure there even is a light at the end of the tunnel or a silver lining anywhere.

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5 minutes ago, nicholas said:

Uhhh... probably nowhere considering the Teppers to my knowledge had no connection to any of the sexual harassment stuff..? 

What is absolutely astounding is that Tepper came from being a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team generally regarded as one of the most well-run sports franchises of all time, and in just over five years in Charlotte has done the TOTAL opposite of anything and everything that the Steelers do.  There have been some crazy situations in the NFL before but the Panthers' current predicament is borderline unprecedented, like I'm not sure there even is a light at the end of the tunnel or a silver lining anywhere.

I meant all the former employees & others complaining about Teppers wife. 

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25 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

I meant all the former employees & others complaining about Teppers wife. 

So, after rereading your comment that I quoted, I think I slightly misunderstood your point.  However it seems like you're bringing the Jerry Richardson scandal into the discussion for no reason because it doesn't have anything to do with what's currently being discussed.  Is anyone on here defending Richardson's actions?  I would certainly hope not, although I haven't dug through most of the 77 other pages of previous comments to be sure.  But it's coming across like we're not allowed to critique business decisions that were heavily influenced by Nicole Tepper, just because she is a woman and some other women (who have no connection to anything that's going on with the team currently) were sexually assaulted by a man (who died earlier this year and also didn't have anything to do with the Panthers after 2018).

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33 minutes ago, nicholas said:

So, after rereading your comment that I quoted, I think I slightly misunderstood your point.  However it seems like you're bringing the Jerry Richardson scandal into the discussion for no reason because it doesn't have anything to do with what's currently being discussed.  Is anyone on here defending Richardson's actions?  I would certainly hope not, although I haven't dug through most of the 77 other pages of previous comments to be sure.  But it's coming across like we're not allowed to critique business decisions that were heavily influenced by Nicole Tepper, just because she is a woman and some other women (who have no connection to anything that's going on with the team currently) were sexually assaulted by a man (who died earlier this year and also didn't have anything to do with the Panthers after 2018).

Who are the people with an issue towards Nicole Tepper? 

What has Nicole Tepper done?

I’m saying, I don’t understand what Nicole Tepper has done and who is claiming she’s done something other than “former employees” and such. It comes across as man baby-ish to me. The wife is the problem?  

Who is saying what? Where’s the quotes? Who are the people? And at the end of the day, if Mr. Tepper dies, Nicole might be the complete owner anyway… I haven’t seen the will.

So far, this seems to be the crime:

There have been a lot of talk from sports pundits saying that she is known to poke her head into meetings, give her opinion on what she thinks should happen/be done, and generally acts as if she should be as much a part of the decision making as coaches, coordinators, and the GM. “

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On 11/30/2023 at 8:17 PM, AirNostrumMAD said:

There have been a lot of talk from sports pundits saying that she is known to poke her head into meetings, give her opinion on what she thinks should happen/be done, and generally acts as if she should be as much a part of the decision making as coaches, coordinators, and the GM. “

That is literally a very big problem though? She isn’t as qualified as coaches coordinators and the GM regardless of her gender, and yet by all means it seems her opinions have held weight in decision making of late. I think nepotism is absolutely the correct term for the situation. Does it mean she is to blame for all the troubles the team has had? No, and I think she’s been, in part, made a boogie man by misogynistic fans, but there are also people with rational concerns about her place in the organization. Nepotism is a symptom of a toxic corporate environment. Anyone who has dealt with nepotism knows it can leave a poor taste in your mouth as an employee even if the relative ends up being a great employee. It feels like a leap to write off any thoughtful discussion of this subject as misogyny.

I can’t speak for women but i imagine it cannot be a good feeling to work your ass off (harder than you should have to) for years to become one of the only female executives in your suite, and then watch the boss’s wife instantly have more power than you. That feels more like misogyny to me than anything discussed in this thread so far. The most powerful woman in the organization just being a legal extension of the male owner.

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2 hours ago, MothBeast said:

That is literally a very big problem though? She isn’t as qualified as coaches coordinators and the GM regardless of her gender, and yet by all means it seems her opinions have held weight in decision making of late. I think nepotism is absolutely the correct term for the situation. Does it mean she is to blame for all the troubles the team has had? No, and I think she’s been, in part, made a boogie man by misogynistic fans, but there are also people with rational concerns about her place in the organization. Nepotism is a symptom of a toxic corporate environment. Anyone who has dealt with nepotism knows it can leave a poor taste in your mouth as an employee even if the relative ends up being a great employee. It feels like a leap to write off any thoughtful discussion of this subject as misogyny.

I can’t speak for women but i imagine it cannot be a good feeling to work your ass off (harder than you should have to) for years to become one of the only female executives in your suite, and then watch the boss’s wife instantly have more power than you. That feels more like misogyny to me than anything discussed in this thread so far. The most powerful woman in the organization just being a legal extension of the male owner.

BINGO, what a great post, thank you for understanding the situation. I do also understand the leap that was made, especially in a male-dominated industry that has a history of misogyny, beyond the sexual harassment of people, just look at how Cam Newton treated Jourdan Rodrique. 

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3 hours ago, MothBeast said:

That is literally a very big problem though? She isn’t as qualified as coaches coordinators and the GM regardless of her gender, and yet by all means it seems her opinions have held weight in decision making of late. I think nepotism is absolutely the correct term for the situation. Does it mean she is to blame for all the troubles the team has had? No, and I think she’s been, in part, made a boogie man by misogynistic fans, but there are also people with rational concerns about her place in the organization. Nepotism is a symptom of a toxic corporate environment. Anyone who has dealt with nepotism knows it can leave a poor taste in your mouth as an employee even if the relative ends up being a great employee. It feels like a leap to write off any thoughtful discussion of this subject as misogyny.

I can’t speak for women but i imagine it cannot be a good feeling to work your ass off (harder than you should have to) for years to become one of the only female executives in your suite, and then watch the boss’s wife instantly have more power than you. That feels more like misogyny to me than anything discussed in this thread so far. The most powerful woman in the organization just being a legal extension of the male owner.


To me, it just sounds a bit like sexism. You don’t agree, that’s fine. 

Obama had to deal with certain standards as a black president that other presidents was never questioned on, Pete Buttigieg has to deal with things as a high profile LGBT figure randomly that previous DOT leaders never had. I’m not completely sure of the wife and her qualifications but I do know there’s probably a *ton of men* on every single team giving their unqualified opinions and also getting special treatment for knowing xyz, etc. Come on, it’s professional sports lol. 

But I don’t think anyone here believes their comments are sexist, I’m not the arbiter of what is & isn’t sexist so it doesn’t matter what I think and I don’t think most people realize certain standards certain people are held to are sorta unfair. I don’t hear people saying “it’d be unfair for all men working for years to move up & the owners son kept popping into meetings giving his opinion & instantly has more power than other men.” 
 

Edit: I googled nepotism in the NFL. It’s an endless parade of nepotism. It just usually never involves a woman. 

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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2022/11/22/nfl-coaches-nepotism-filled-dozens-positions/10702777002/

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2 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:


To me, it just sounds a bit like sexism. You don’t agree, that’s fine. 

Obama had to deal with certain standards as a black president that other presidents was never questioned on, Pete Buttigieg has to deal with things as a high profile LGBT figure randomly that previous DOT leaders never had. I’m not completely sure of the wife and her qualifications but I do know there’s probably a *ton of men* on every single team giving their unqualified opinions and also getting special treatment for knowing xyz, etc. Come on, it’s professional sports lol. 

But I don’t think anyone here believes their comments are sexist, I’m not the arbiter of what is & isn’t sexist so it doesn’t matter what I think and I don’t think most people realize certain standards certain people are held to are sorta unfair. I don’t hear people saying “it’d be unfair for all men working for years to move up & the owners son kept popping into meetings giving his opinion & instantly has more power than other men.” 
 

Edit: I googled nepotism in the NFL. It’s an endless parade of nepotism. It just usually never involves a woman. 

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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2022/11/22/nfl-coaches-nepotism-filled-dozens-positions/10702777002/

“it’d be unfair for all men working for years to move up & the owners son kept popping into meetings giving his opinion & instantly has more power than other men.”

You’re deflecting from my point. Obama and Buttigieg were qualified, Nicole Tepper is not. Yes other forms of nepotism occur, this is the one at hand. There is an actual topic worth discussing here, throwing the word misogyny at valid criticism isn’t going to be helpful and I think you knew that. 

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19 hours ago, MothBeast said:

“it’d be unfair for all men working for years to move up & the owners son kept popping into meetings giving his opinion & instantly has more power than other men.”

You’re deflecting from my point. Obama and Buttigieg were qualified, Nicole Tepper is not. Yes other forms of nepotism occur, this is the one at hand. There is an actual topic worth discussing here, throwing the word misogyny at valid criticism isn’t going to be helpful and I think you knew that. 

I see and accept your point of view & I believe that’s what you think. I don’t think it’s disingenuous or baited or anything malicious so. 

I still hold my same opinion, I’m not deflecting, but that’s just how I see it. 

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3 hours ago, MothBeast said:

Yes. I find it’s either one extreme or the other on here sometimes. Unnecessary/derailing accusations or blatant dog whistles. 


Stop engaging. 

I really don’t care. Because I said what I said. Had you stopped responding, I would’ve too. 

And I’ll say it again if you want. But I was done a while ago. Why are you so pressed? 

Continue lamenting the Panthers. By all means. I’m done. But if you want to continue talking about it, I’ll continue talking about it. 

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6 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:


Stop engaging. 

I really don’t care. Because I said what I said. Had you stopped responding, I would’ve too. 

And I’ll say it again if you want. But I was done a while ago. Why are you so pressed? 

Continue lamenting the Panthers. By all means. I’m done. But if you want to continue talking about it, I’ll continue talking about it. 

No, I too am done discussing this with you. Which is why I responded to a different user, and not you. Happy to be done taking with you about this.

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55 minutes ago, MothBeast said:

No, I too am done discussing this with you. Which is why I responded to a different user, and not you. Happy to be done taking with you about this.

Well, I’m still going to respond when it’s in reference to something I posted whether you quote me or not, so. 

So I guess we can move on given we’re both done. 

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What happened with the Panthers? ‘Hunger Games’ culture, backstabbing and another fired coach

Bryce Young's development. Division among the coaching staff. Mounting losses. Behind the scenes of why Frank Reich was fired.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — David Tepper thought he’d nailed it this time. After firing Matt Rhule in October 2022, the  owner was determined to get his second head-coaching hire right. Tepper, the hedge-fund billionaire who bought the team in 2018, ran a more thorough search in looking for Rhule’s successor, focusing on coaches with offensive backgrounds after missing on what he called a “CEO coach” in Rhule.   After interviewing nine candidates, Tepper decided on Frank Reich, the former  coach and the starting quarterback for the first game in Panthers history. Tepper, with a net worth north of $20 billion, gave Reich a four-year deal and provided him the resources to hire an all-star staff that would help develop a rookie quarterback. But halfway through Reich’s first season, Tepper already was contemplating another coaching change. With No. 1 overall draft pick  struggling and the Panthers owning the league’s worst record, Tepper warned Reich in early November he needed to see improvement on offense. Tepper had mortgaged the team’s future to move up to draft Young. The rookie’s development was stagnating under an avalanche of sacks and hits in the pocket. After the Panthers scored just 10 points with Reich again calling the plays in back-to-back losses against  and , . The Panthers were 1-10 under Reich, whose tenure was the ’s shortest in 45 years. During a news conference the day after Reich’s firing, , telling reporters they could “speculate as to that.” The offensive problems and Young’s development doomed Reich. But there was a lot going on behind the scenes on Reich’s staff. The Athletic spoke to more than 20 Panthers coaches, players and other league sources, some of whom were granted anonymity so they could speak freely. They painted a picture of dysfunction inside the Panthers’ offices, with assistant coaches undermining other coaches as many went into self-preservation mode when it became clear Reich’s days were numbered. Team sources described a “Hunger Games” culture at Bank of America Stadium. Coaches said they believed other staff members were text messaging Tepper behind Reich’s back about issues they saw with the team. In one instance, general manager Scott Fitterer and an offensive coach went to Tepper with a coaching suggestion for the quarterback.   “People just finger-pointing hoping they don’t get exposed,” said one assistant. Days before Thanksgiving, with the team spiraling and Young getting pummeled, Tepper told Reich to fix the rookie’s footwork. Fitterer and others had told Tepper that Young’s feet were the cause of some of the Panthers’ protection issues. They believed Young wasn’t dropping back deep enough on his pass sets. Tepper has been criticized for micromanaging and getting hands-on with football decisions. Prior to the 2019 season,  — which Tepper was familiar with as a former  minority partner — and drove the team’s interest in  before the quarterback was traded to  in 2022. Tepper’s instruction about Young’s footwork came after weekly conversations between Tepper and Reich on Young’s development and early struggles. League sources said Tepper struggled with the decision to fire Reich. But the combination of Young’s difficulty understanding Reich’s offense, specifically the reads, timing and ball placement, as well as Young’s lack of protection, convinced the owner the organization wasn’t helping its quarterback, but ruining him.

From left, Frank Reich, Andy Dalton, Bryce Young and Josh McCown discuss things during a game earlier this season. (Jim Dedmon / USA Today) Reich’s firing came 10 months after he was named the first offensive-minded head coach in Panthers history. At Reich’s introductory news conference, Tepper boasted of Reich’s ability to build a top-10 staff that  With Tepper supplying the capital, Reich assembled one of the NFL’s largest staffs, stocked with a pair of former head coaches (Dom Capers and Jim Caldwell), two ascending coordinators (Thomas Brown and Ejiro Evero) and several other well-known assistants. Tepper also encouraged Reich to go outside of his “circle” with some of the hires. As such, many of the offensive coaches had never worked together and brought different philosophies to an offense that would be led by a rookie quarterback from Week 1. Besides the disagreements in scheme, there were personality conflicts and factions formed on a staff that included two main holdovers from Rhule’s staff — offensive line coach James Campen and special teams coordinator Chris Tabor, both of whom were retained at Tepper’s urging.   After Tepper named Tabor interim coach last week, one of Tabor’s first moves was to fire quarterbacks coach Josh McCown and running backs coach Duce Staley, who was on ’s staff with Reich in 2017 when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Staley was still with the Eagles two years later when McCown played for the team. The 44-year-old McCown logged 17 seasons in the NFL as a backup quarterback. McCown twice interviewed for the  head-coaching vacancy, but his Panthers’ role was his first NFL coaching job. Some in Carolina thought Reich and McCown weren’t tough enough on Young as the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner from Alabama got off to a bumpy start. Reich, Fitterer and the offensive coaches decided the priority before Young’s first season was preparing him to call plays in the huddle for the first time and giving him time to absorb a playbook that blended Reich’s system with wide zone concepts Brown bought from the . Any tweaks or changes the Panthers wanted to make to Young’s mechanics would wait until the offseason. But Young has been taking a beating. He’s been sacked 44 times and is on pace to finish with 64, which would be the fourth-highest total in NFL history. Some in the organization believed inconsistent depth on his dropbacks was at least part of the issue for the 5-foot-10 quarterback. After Tepper delivered the message to do something about it, McCown began working with Young on his footwork before the Panthers’ Week 12 game at Tennessee — three months into the season. Veteran backup quarterback  said Young’s dropbacks were among the teaching points during the Panthers’ Thanksgiving week practices. “Footwork’s a part of playing this game. And it’s not changing his footwork,” Dalton said. “I think it’s just an emphasis on just keeping it consistent. I went through it, too. On certain throws, you want your footwork to look similar and all that kind of stuff. So I think it’s just more of an emphasis on that.”   One source said he didn’t notice much change in Young’s dropbacks against the Titans, who had four sacks and six hits on Young in a 17-10 loss that dropped the Panthers to a league-worst 1-10. As he left the visitors locker room in Nashville, a visibly irritated Reich was gone by the next morning, fired after the NFL’s shortest head-coaching stint since 1978 — and for the second time in as many seasons. Reich went 40-33-1 in five seasons in Indianapolis . Reich, who turned 62 on Monday, would often use the phrase “diversity of thought” when describing his staff. But trying to incorporate Brown’s ideas into his system — featuring shotgun sets and a horizontal-stretch pass game — proved to be clunky. “It’s just not a good offense,” one staffer said. “You didn’t see Indy’s offense when they (were second in) the league in rushing (in 2021). You didn’t see Philly when he was there or when he was with the  and those dynamic offenses. You didn’t see any of that.” But many in league circles — including talent evaluators with other teams — question whether Fitterer surrounded Young with enough playmakers after the GM sent . The Panthers are 13-33 since Fitterer arrived in 2021, a .283 winning percentage that is tied with the  for the worst mark over that span. Fitterer has been given no assurances about his future in Charlotte, according to a league source.

Bryce Young hasn’t thrown for 200 yards in a game since the Panthers’ only win, Oct. 29, against the Texans. (Wesley Hitt / Getty Images) With the Panthers 0-6 at the bye, Reich turned play calling over to the 37-year-old Brown, who coached running backs and tight ends with the Rams but had never called plays. After the Panthers beat Houston 15-13 in the first game after the change,  and later got choked up talking about the moment. But the Houston win was followed by losses to Indianapolis and Chicago, both of which had losing records and were missing their starting quarterbacks. The Panthers managed just 13 points in both losses and failed to score an offensive touchdown against the Bears.   The heat was turning up on Reich, with The Athletic reporting after the game against the Bears that . Reich was getting the message as well: On the Monday following the Week 10 loss at Chicago, Reich announced he would be calling plays again. Reich’s reversal further divided the offensive staff, with one assistant saying, “That was shocking.” After seeing Young play well in hurry-up mode at the end of a couple of lopsided losses early in the season, Reich wanted to use more no-huddle offense and thought he was better equipped than Brown to run it. In Reich’s first game back as play caller, a 33-10 loss to Dallas, the Panthers finished with a season-low 187 yards and Young was sacked seven times. In fairness, the Cowboys are top five in the league in yards and points allowed and rank seventh in sacks. The wounds from Reich’s reversal on play calling haven’t healed yet. When asked last week about Reich’s impact on him, Brown called it a “loaded question” before adding he was fortunate for the opportunity Reich gave him. The Panthers’ defensive assistants, nearly all of whom had worked with Evero previously, have been more aligned, according to sources. But that has not been the case on the offensive side. At one point, several coaches wanted to bench Young in favor of Dalton, who had the Panthers’ only 300-yard passing game when Young missed the Week 3 game at Seattle with an ankle injury. But those conversations never reached Reich, Fitterer or ownership, according to high-ranking team sources. Other coaches felt they couldn’t voice their opinions without being viewed as malcontents. Several sources said Reich would call out Young for mistakes during team-wide film reviews — as he did other players — early in the season but backed off in recent weeks, with Young’s confidence in mind.   “You can coach a player hard,” said one staffer, “without killing his spirit.” But one player said it wasn’t Reich’s nature or coaching style to be overly critical of any player or position group. There also have been issues with scheme fits. Brown’s background is with the Rams’ mid-zone and wide-zone runs, which weren’t a great match for some of the Panthers’ offensive linemen. Right guard  ran the scheme during three seasons in L.A., including the Rams’ Super Bowl season of 2021. But Corbett missed the first six games this year while recovering from ACL surgery, then injured his MCL in the same knee against Dallas in Week 11 and was lost for the season. Center  conceded his more bruising skill set wasn’t ideal for the wide zone, best suited for quicker linemen who can occupy defensive linemen early in the play and then get to the second level. “Running downhill is what I love to do,” Bozeman said. “That’s what I’ve made my money on. Unfortunately, we didn’t have many opportunities to do that.” Reich experimented in training camp with putting Young under center, which Young did infrequently in college. Some concepts that might have helped negate an opponent’s pass rush, including play-action passes, are more effective when the quarterback is under center. But when the season started, Reich — Jim Kelly’s backup in the Bills’ K-Gun offenses during the 1990s — had Young lined up in pistol and shotgun sets almost exclusively. With Brown back calling plays Sunday in a , Young was under center for seven of the Panthers’ 13 first-quarter plays. But the familiar issues soon resurfaced; Young was sacked four times and threw an interception on his final pass to end any comeback hopes.

Bryce Young has been sacked 44 times in 11 games this season. (Bob Donnan / USA Today) Reich’s efforts to boost Young’s confidence — some players viewed as overprotectiveness — continued through what turned out to be Reich’s final offensive play with the Panthers at Tennessee. Trailing by 7 and facing a fourth-and-6 at the two-minute warning, Young saw the Titans line up in what he believed to be Cover 0 — man coverage with no deep defender — and checked to a wide receiver screen to .   Chark caught the ball four yards behind the line of scrimmage and was tackled for no gain by safety , allowing the Titans to reclaim possession and run out the clock. After the game, Reich said it was the right check by Young and that Chark might have gotten too far behind the line of scrimmage. A  insisted the Titans were not in Cover 0 and the Panthers should have stuck with the original play call. A former NFL head coach agreed, saying the Titans fooled Young into thinking they were in Cover 0 before dropping their backside safety to the post area. That the postgame spotlight fell on one of the receivers was not a new development. The group’s difficulties getting open has been a season-long narrative. “I don’t think we got the brunt of coaches’ criticism. But I do feel like we do get a lot of the blame when it comes to the success of the offense,” Chark said last week. “Obviously, when you talk about offense, the first thing that we say (is), ‘You’ve gotta give Bryce weapons,’ and things like that.” The offensive problems have persisted all season: The Panthers are averaging 15.9 points a game and haven’t topped the 20-point barrier since a 42-21 loss at Miami on Oct. 15. Bozeman isn’t sure whether the problems stem from scheme or personnel. “The fact of it is we didn’t really score many points this season,” he said. “We never could execute and get it to that point.” The Panthers need someone who can get Young untracked and playing closer to the level of Texans rookie , Young’s friend and former AAU basketball rival in southern California. Tepper again is expected to focus his search on , with  offensive coordinator Ben Johnson — who canceled his interview with the Panthers last year — viewed as a top target.   Johnson is a native of Asheville, N.C., who played at North Carolina. But it might not be easy to lure him to Charlotte: Some in the Panthers’ organization, according to a league source, have been texting Johnson about how complicated it’s been to work in Carolina this season. While Tepper prepares to start another coaching search and Reich, Staley and McCown contemplate their next moves, the players and remaining coaches will try to avoid becoming the first 1-16 team since the NFL adopted a 17-game schedule. “I can honestly say I don’t think (Reich) was the sole problem and everything is fixed now,” Chark said. “We’ve still got a lot of stuff we have to fix.”

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And the implosion continues:

https://sports.yahoo.com/panthers-owner-david-tepper-appears-to-throw-drink-toward-jaguars-fans-from-luxury-box-during-26-0-carolina-loss-235644414.html

Might as well change the name to the Charlotte Panthers also seeing how this team has nothing to do with South Carolina anymore. 

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3 hours ago, gman430 said:

Might as well change the name to the Charlotte Panthers also seeing how this team has nothing to do with South Carolina anymore. 

If Tepper changed the team name, it would probably be changed to the David Teppers

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Panther owner David Tepper is in crisis. Again. Welcome to Cup-Gate, a perfect example of what I call "InTeptitude." As a former Panthers employee told me: “Dave ran off all of the people who told him the truth.” OK then. I'll tell him.
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