New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)

[smeagolsfree]

Just seeing if I could get it larger. Only if you click on it and then click the image again in the window.

[Luvemtall]

If this is of any value, like current and more dailed in with more accurate information. Then the buildings in that left bottom near Woodland are really resembling theatres. Would be interesting to find out something more solid.

Does anyone know what meeting this might have been from ?

[Sean blackdog]

 

[Argo]

On 5/8/2023 at 7:01 AM, Luvemtall said:

Last night was proof positive, the need for a new covered venue! Don’t matter if you like certain entertainers or not, or if you’re a football fan or not. Those who attended last nights concert, shouldn’t have had that experience! PERIOD! 4 hours couped up in the confines of shelter. It’s not even the crazy price of admission , but no one should have to be uncomfortable and inconvenienced because of weather conditions like that. There were many children who attended, that ended up having to stay up way past midnight who by that time were probably unable to enjoy the show , because of being tired. It’s exactly the reason that Nashville needs the new stadium venue. 

Do you realize how this looks. Seriously.

Yeah, a bunch of concert goers got rained on and you hilariously make it out to be the worst thing that has ever happened and the most important issue the city has ever faced. Get real.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Argo

[donNdonelson2]

35 minutes ago, Argo said:

Do you realize how this looks. Seriously.

Yeah, a bunch of concert goers got rained on and you hilariously make it out to be the worst thing that has ever happened and the most important issue the city has ever faced. Get real.

And I spoke to a neighbor, a twenty-something married professional person, who was there for that rain delayed concert and she said it was the one of the most amazing and memorable experiences of her lifetime. Taylor and her dancers have spoken of what a great time they had pulling off a concert under those conditions. 

[PaulChinetti]

I assume they mean being jammed in the concourses for 4 hours with people passing out and concessions running out. 
The pictures I’ve seen look far from ideal. 

[andywildman]

15 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

I assume they mean being jammed in the concourses for 4 hours with people passing out and concessions running out. 
The pictures I’ve seen look far from ideal. 

Hey quick question for the board: Can all of the following be true?

• Nissan Stadium has worse amenities than newer NFL stadiums?
• Replacing Nissan stadium with $750M+ of Nashville money takes funding away from other Nashville priorities?
• Building a new stadium with a roof will bring more events and more predictability with weather?
• Taylor Swift's rain-delayed concert was a less-than-ideal fan experience, while ultimately being a success at the end of the night?
• A major funding pathway for funding the new stadium (sales tax diversion) will incentivize Nashville to develop a tourist-oriented neighborhood on the East Bank with more hotels/bars/etc?

[Bark At The Sun]

The first thing i thought of when i saw the rendering above, was I need to break out my Sega Dreamcast.

[Bos2Nash]

4 minutes ago, andywildman said:

Hey quick question for the board: Can all of the following be true?

• Nissan Stadium has worse amenities than newer NFL stadiums?
• Replacing Nissan stadium with $750M+ of Nashville money takes funding away from other Nashville priorities?
• Building a new stadium with a roof will bring more events and more predictability with weather?
• Taylor Swift's rain-delayed concert was a less-than-ideal fan experience, while ultimately being a success at the end of the night?
• A major funding pathway for funding the new stadium (sales tax diversion) will incentivize Nashville to develop a tourist-oriented neighborhood on the East Bank with more hotels/bars/etc?

Here are my thoughts:

• True. They are absolutely worse. Stadium design and operation has come such a long ways since Nissan was built.
• True AND False. The stadium didn't need to be a priority, but ultimately was with enough of the council. The stadium funding from the city is through bonds that otherwise wouldn't have been used to fund other priorities. The hotel tax COULD have been used for transit funding, but the county voters shot that down resoundingly unfortunately. The new deal actually HELPS with current priorities because it take General Funds monies that were essentially promised to Nissan Stadium and removed them from the equation to put towards Nashville priorities.
• True. The question is if those events are truly needed in the city.
• True. HUGE success. Even with the less than ideal concessions and stuck in the concourses, those folks still bought tickets and spent money in the city.
• Maybe True/Maybe False. I don't believe it incentivizes tourist oriented development necessarily. The developments will really come down to how the UDO is created and modified for the Central Waterfront District and when the three other districts are ultimately added to the UDO.

[andywildman]

1 minute ago, Bos2Nash said:

I don't believe it incentivizes tourist oriented development necessarily. The developments will really come down to how the UDO is created and modified for the Central Waterfront District and when the three other districts are ultimately added to the UDO.

Clearly the zoning is going to be the critical next step... How much input into land use does Metro have in the land it owns? (For example, will we be auctioning off parcels with certain height/usage/affordability requirements?)

[Bos2Nash]

26 minutes ago, andywildman said:

Clearly the zoning is going to be the critical next step... How much input into land use does Metro have in the land it owns? (For example, will we be auctioning off parcels with certain height/usage/affordability requirements?)

From what we have heard, Metro will not be selling any of the land that they own. An RFP was issued and the bidders have all submitted their qualifications/proposals to serve as the Master Developer in ground lease scenarios on the 40 or so acres around the new multi-use arena. The Master Developer will then be tasked with developing a Master Plan for the land and then soliciting developers to work within that plan. Please note, the East Bank Vision Plan is not a master plan, but a vision plan for to help drive the future of the East Bank.

Presumably the land outside the 40 or acres (seeing as we "unlocked" 66 acres of land), will be straight ground lease from Metro to a private developer. I would not expect Metro to play developer on the East Bank.

Lastly, we have to remember that the State has barred Metro from putting any stipulations for affordable housing on development. Affordability will have to be achieved through Barnes Fund, Amazon funds, Low-Income developers, Mixed-income development, Community Benefits Agreement, etc. 

Can someone point to a mixed-income project here in Nashville which achieves anywhere remotely the density that the East Bank should have? It will prove to be a very tricky beast going big density because it takes very tight margins and makes them even tighter. Cayce is a great mixed-income success, but not the density the East Bank needs. Cleveland and Dickerson (Dominion project) is all affordable, but not at the density level needed. Same goes for Samaritan. 

[tragenvol]

On 5/12/2023 at 12:35 PM, GreenHillsBoy said:

I'm a PSL and season ticket holder and we just got the prices for the PSL's and season tickets in the new stadium and they are EXTREMELY high. My season tickets in the current stadium are $690 (40 yard line mid upper deck) and a similar seat in the new stadium would be close to triple that.  My PSL was $1200 in 1999 and the PSL for this would be near $4000 .  I've sat with many of the same fans for 25 years and have no doubt that many of them will not be able to afford the new stadium.  It will be interesting to see how it goes, plus we don't have a firm answer on how much credit we will get for our current PSL'.s.  Will try and find the schedule and post, seemed to have deleted it as I was in shock. 

 

I'm sure you saw the installment plans available at 8% interest and up to ten years to finance PSLs.  What were those 3 years $0 down; 5 years 20% down, and I can't recall the ten year option specifics.

[nashvylle]

20 hours ago, Argo said:

Do you realize how this looks. Seriously.

Yeah, a bunch of concert goers got rained on and you hilariously make it out to be the worst thing that has ever happened and the most important issue the city has ever faced. Get real.

This is a thread to specifically discuss the new Titans stadium. Not to speak for @Luvemtall, but to assume that he/she believes the new Titans stadium "is the most important issue the city is facing" is ridiculous. Currently when 210K people attend a concert in Nashville on a weekend (Taylor Swift or CMA Fest), any $ spent either goes directly to the aging Nissan Stadium, or the MCC. The transient $ needs to go to the general fund so Nashville can address basic and essential needs, which the new stadium deal does: $345MM is projected to go directly into the general fund from spending in the new stadium campus and non-NFL event ticket taxes. In order to meet, and hopefully exceed, those projections, we cannot have concerts and events rained out, or event promoters will simply go elsewhere. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by nashvylle

[nashvylle]

4 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Here are my thoughts:

• True. They are absolutely worse. Stadium design and operation has come such a long ways since Nissan was built. I would also say that Nissan is worse than stadiums that were built before Nissan, with the exception of Buffalo (who is building a new stadium) and Washington (which is in the early planning stage for a new stadium)
• True AND False. The stadium didn't need to be a priority, but ultimately was with enough of the council. The stadium funding from the city is through bonds that otherwise wouldn't have been used to fund other priorities. The hotel tax COULD have been used for transit funding, but the county voters shot that down resoundingly unfortunately. The new deal actually HELPS with current priorities because it take General Funds monies that were essentially promised to Nissan Stadium and removed them from the equation to put towards Nashville priorities. The city was already in default, and honestly I consider Nashville lucky to not have been put in default for the $30MM+ already paid by Titans. If the Titans wanted to take metro to court for Renovating Nissan stadium, they would Indy, Detroit, Houston (all domes) and then Cleveland, Carolina, Cincy, Jacksonville (all renovations approaching $1BN)... thank God we are not putting $1BN into a renovation of a stadium that can only host outside events. 
• True. The question is if those events are truly needed in the city. I think with the new stadium campus, sales tax going directly into general fund instead of MCC is a much, much need for the city. 
• True. HUGE success. Even with the less than ideal concessions and stuck in the concourses, those folks still bought tickets and spent money in the city. But that $ went to Nissan Stadium and the MCC. The new deal will allow concert and stadium event attendees to spend $ outside the stadium and have 50% of their sales tax go to paying down stadium debt (good for city) and 50% go directly to General Fund (Great for city). 
• Maybe True/Maybe False. I don't believe it incentivizes tourist oriented development necessarily. The developments will really come down to how the UDO is created and modified for the Central Waterfront District and when the three other districts are ultimately added to the UDO. I pray we build workforce housing so people that work in the stadium, stadium campus, CBD can walk to work and afford to live in this area of town. 

@Bos2Nash @andywildman added my thoughts in bold 

Edited May 15, 2023 by nashvylle

[Luvemtall]

Thanks Nashvylle , I wasn’t going to respond to Argo’s post simply because I thought it was intended more to fuel the flames of a troll. 
I don’t think that neither my post or the situation I spoke about are hilarious at all, and I never once mentioned that it was a worst thing for Nashville. 
just was stating my thoughts and opinions, that the situation with the rain delay and the environment that was, doesn’t need to be happening. Some may see it differently, but to me it’s just vindication of the need for an enclosed venue. 

[MontanaGuy]

2 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

Thanks Nashvylle , I wasn’t going to respond to Argo’s post simply because I thought it was intended more to fuel the flames of a troll. 
I don’t think that neither my post or the situation I spoke about are hilarious at all, and I never once mentioned that it was a worst thing for Nashville. 
just was stating my thoughts and opinions, that the situation with the rain delay and the environment that was, doesn’t need to be happening. Some may see it differently, but to me it’s just vindication of the need for an enclosed venue. 

I agree with you about all of that!  When I heard about the issues that all of those people had that night (mostly young girls) it was the first thing I thought of myself, when the new stadium is built nobody's going to be stressing over the weather reports because they're all going to be inside!

[Argo]

3 hours ago, nashvylle said:

@Bos2Nash @andywildman added my thoughts in bold 

If that's the case then why has the city been attracting outdoor concerts? Why has any city outside of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah been getting outdoor concerts?

[nashvylle]

22 hours ago, Argo said:

If that's the case then why has the city been attracting outdoor concerts? Why has any city outside of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah been getting outdoor concerts?

It's the goal to maintain existing concerts and get more concerts. If you look at the states you listed (the no rain states), Los Angeles, Phoenix, Las Vegas, already have domes because of humidity and heat. For cities in states you did not mention but have weather similar to TN (Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Indianapolis, San Antonio) they all have domes now. CMA fest could easily switch to Atlanta if we just let Nissan Stadium go to disrepair. Taylor Swift, Garth Brooks, etc. could say it's not worth doing 3 night concerts anymore because of weather. Nashville is extremely hot, humid, and/or rainy during the summer (as we all know). Concert attendees and promoters don't want to spend a ton of money for an event that may get canceled or actually does get canceled. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by nashvylle

[satalac]

On 5/15/2023 at 4:35 PM, Argo said:

If that's the case then why has the city been attracting outdoor concerts? Why has any city outside of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah been getting outdoor concerts?

The big ticket getters (Super Bowl, Wrestlemania, etc) want indoor facilities. Ascend Amphitheater ain't getting those.

[MidTenn1]

TheTitans select TVS Architects to be the Architect of Record for the final design of the new Titans stadium.
From the Titans website; (not behind a paywall!!!)

Quote

The Tennessee Titans today announced that TVS will serve as Architect of Record (AOR) on the new stadium project team. The Metropolitan Sports Authority approved the selection at its May 18 board meeting.
As AOR, TVS will work in tandem with the Design Architect (MANICA) to lead the design team through the completion of the stadium design and through the administration of construction activity. TVS is responsible for delivering the construction documents that will be used to construct the stadium and will hold all contracts with certified subconsultants necessary to complete full stadium design. During the construction administration phase, TVS will provide critical oversight to ensure all materials and construction are being utilized correctly and per specification and design.

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by MidTenn1

[DDIG]

On 5/16/2023 at 7:11 PM, satalac said:

The big ticket getters (Super Bowl, Wrestlemania, etc) want indoor facilities. Ascend Amphitheater ain't getting those.

That's right. They want the insurance a covered stadium provides. And of course for basketball you simply must have covered. Also for all the alleged success of Taylor Swift's amazing rain show you had people huddled shoulder to shoulder unable to move for hours in the concourses which resulted in several medical emergencies. And don't forget about the great Garth Brooks rainout a few years ago. Some people were stuck unable to get a ride out of downtown almost all night after rain cancelled the concert.

[chris holman]

https://manica.global/page/tennessee-stadium

[chris holman]

[smeagolsfree]

10 hours ago, chris holman said:

What is your source, Chris????

[nashvylle]

2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

What is your source, Chris????

These images came from a team video last year when they officially announced the new stadium agreement with the mayor. I think around September or so. 

Edited May 23, 2023 by nashvylle