Reed District: 8 towers ranging from 8 to 44 stories (500'?), 1.5 million sq. ft. office space; 1,000 residential units; 150K sq. ft. retail space; 250 room hotel on 12 acres at NE corner of Broadway and 16th Ave. North

[PillowTalk4]

16 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

Only if it’s a lobby level Whataburger, with 14 Floors of office/ residential above it!

How about the first 5-10 story drive-in Whataburger with circular ramps on each end  to enter and exit parking decks with pull up parking spots all facing downtown and you can sit in your car, order and eat your food all while gazing at the downtown skyline?  It would be iconic...  

[MLBrumby]

Developers secure $37.5M loan for early Reed District project costs    https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/04/25/reed-district-secures-loan.html

The sum will go toward pre-construction costs for an upcoming mixed-use district, Shawn Kimble, who heads Barings’ U.S. real estate capital markets division, told the Business Journal. Those costs can encompass design plans, environmental and geotechnical analysis, permitting and more.

Right now, developers are eyeing 800,000 square feet of new construction for the project’s first phase. Those plans include:

• 300-unit apartment building
• 300,000-square-foot office building
• 250-room hotel
• Renovations to the site’s vintage Coca-Cola bottling plant, which will house 100,000 square feet of creative office space and retail
• Green space, touted as the project’s centerpiece

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

21 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Developers secure $37.5M loan for early Reed District project costs    https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/04/25/reed-district-secures-loan.html

The sum will go toward pre-construction costs for an upcoming mixed-use district, Shawn Kimble, who heads Barings’ U.S. real estate capital markets division, told the Business Journal. Those costs can encompass design plans, environmental and geotechnical analysis, permitting and more.

Right now, developers are eyeing 800,000 square feet of new construction for the project’s first phase. Those plans include:

• 300-unit apartment building
• 300,000-square-foot office building
• 250-room hotel
• Renovations to the site’s vintage Coca-Cola bottling plant, which will house 100,000 square feet of creative office space and retail
• Green space, touted as the project’s centerpiece

This is a huge signal they are serious with movement forward, that's for sure. 

Will be much needed density in that area, to connect midtown to downtown. 

[downtownresident]

25 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Developers secure $37.5M loan for early Reed District project costs    https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/04/25/reed-district-secures-loan.html

The sum will go toward pre-construction costs for an upcoming mixed-use district, Shawn Kimble, who heads Barings’ U.S. real estate capital markets division, told the Business Journal. Those costs can encompass design plans, environmental and geotechnical analysis, permitting and more.

Right now, developers are eyeing 800,000 square feet of new construction for the project’s first phase. Those plans include:

• 300-unit apartment building
• 300,000-square-foot office building
• 250-room hotel
• Renovations to the site’s vintage Coca-Cola bottling plant, which will house 100,000 square feet of creative office space and retail
• Green space, touted as the project’s centerpiece

They go before BZA for an extension of their previous exception in May. The newly minted Broadwest folks are already whipped up in an NIMBY furor over the Hayes Street projects, I imagine it will be more of the same toward this one. Unfortunately for them, Propst gave their blessing to the original exception back in 2020. 
 

Excited to see this come to fruition, this is going to be the centerpiece of Midtown and really kick off its transformation. 

[PaulChinetti]

3 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

They go before BZA for an extension of their previous exception in May. The newly minted Broadwest folks are already whipped up in an NIMBY furor over the Hayes Street projects, I imagine it will be more of the same toward this one. Unfortunately for them, Propst gave their blessing to the original exception back in 2020. 
 

Excited to see this come to fruition, this is going to be the centerpiece of Midtown and really kick off its transformation. 

They NIMBY-ing about losing their views?

[downtownresident]

Just now, PaulChinetti said:

They NIMBY-ing about losing their views?

No, it’s “traffic” “zoning” and “infrastructure” but we all know it’s about the views. 

[PaulChinetti]

Just the worst.

[Rick Dalton]

Why should Broadwest be allowed to build but no one else?

[PaulChinetti]

Just now, natethegreat said:

Why should Broadwest be allowed to build but no one else?

That’s logical. NIMBYs care not for logic. 

[Rick Dalton]

How big is 300,000 square foot building? And don’t say 300,000 square feet...

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, natethegreat said:

How big is 300,000 square foot building? And don’t say 300,000 square feet...

43.2 Million Square Inches 

[BnaBreaker]

2 hours ago, downtownresident said:

No, it’s “traffic” “zoning” and “infrastructure” but we all know it’s about the views. 

Imagine being a person that moves into a newly built tower that is significantly taller than anything else in a mile radius and alters the views of tens of thousands, but then getting steamed when hearing about a new building being built nearby, because it alters a view you've only known for like a month.  These ****ing people man, I swear to god, do we as a species get worse?  

[markhollin]

10 hours ago, natethegreat said:

How big is 300,000 square foot building? And don’t say 300,000 square feet...

It all depends on the size of the footprint. But here are some that fit in the general 300,000 sq. ft. range:

Gulch Union Office Tower: (20 stories): 329,000 sq. ft.
1201 Demonbreun (15 stories): 285,000 sq. ft.
L & C Tower (30 stories); 283,000 sq. ft.
Palmer Plaza (18 stories): 284,000 sq. ft. 
 

[titanhog]

13 minutes ago, markhollin said:

It all depends on the size of the footprint. But here are some that fit in the general 300,000 sq. ft. range:

Gulch Union Office Tower: (20 stories): 329,000 sq. ft.
1201 Demonbreun (15 stories): 285,000 sq. ft.
L & C Tower (30 stories); 283,000 sq. ft.
Palmer Plaza (18 stories): 284,000 sq. ft. 
 

So…not very tall, normally.  Maybe over 300’ if lucky for the most part.

[smeagolsfree]

Here is a breakdown of the allowed heights: This may help some!

One additional change from the 2020 Order that is now being requested is to increase the maximum height for Parcel A from 19 stories to 20 stories. The 2020 Order includes the following conditions/requirements: 1. Appellant shall conform to street sections on 16th Avenue North (from Broadway to Hayes Street) and on Broadway (from 16th Avenue North to 15th Avenue North). 2. On the corner of Broadway and 16th Avenue North, building heights shall be limited as follows: a. The “326’ Height Limitation Zone” shall extend for a distance of 100’ east of the 16th Avenue North setback line and 150’ north of the Broadway setback line. The 326’ height cap shall be measured at the spot elevation at the corner of Broadway and 16th Avenue North and shall apply to the entire zone. b. The “400’ Height Limitation Zone” shall extend for a distance of 100’ east of the 16th Avenue North setback line and from and after a distance of 150’ north of the Broadway setback line up to Hayes Street. Any structures within this zone will be limited to a height of 400’, which 400’ cap shall be measured at a point on 16th Avenue North that is 150’ north of the Broadway setback line. Heights of all other structures shall be capped at 19 floors (Parcel A), 32 floors (Parcel B), and 39 floors (Parcel C)

[Bos2Nash]

They are going before the BZA for a special exemption from the "max height at setback" and the "slope control plane" in order to achieve their prospective heights.

With regards to Broadwest, there was a BZA decision back in 2020 that capped height along 16th that worked to accommodate Broadwest. I believe this accommodation was brought by the developer to appease Broadwest in an attempt to gain their support for the development. They are looking for a modification of that height (still finishing the research as to what they want for the change)

Lastly, there were 6 parcels that were not under the control of Hines back at the 2020 BZA decision and the development team is requesting these six parcels be brought into that decision. 3 of the 6 are where the tallest portion of the project would be.

[MLBrumby]

Interesting Ron. So a 400’ limit means that none of the buildings will be 44 floors as in the title of this thread, right? And why does the code have limits in floors and feet? Feet overrides floors? 

[downtownresident]

2 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Interesting Ron. So a 400’ limit means that none of the buildings will be 44 floors as in the title of this thread, right? And why does the code have limits in floors and feet? Feet overrides floors? 

The 400’ limit is only for the shaded area along 16th. It was a concession negotiated between Propst and Hines to limit the impact on the office building along 16th. 

[Bos2Nash]

22 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Interesting Ron. So a 400’ limit means that none of the buildings will be 44 floors as in the title of this thread, right? And why does the code have limits in floors and feet? Feet overrides floors? 

44 floors was also a rough count/estimate when that initial image came out and by no means an official count.  Looking at the image shared by Ron shows that the tallest of the district will be 39 floors adjacent to White Castle. Depending on what that use is (residential/hotel/office) the building could hypothetically rise anywhere from 429' (residential) to 615' (office) (estimated range). The estimate footprint of the 3 parcels adjacent to White Castle is about 43,375 square feet - as a rectangle - so if that was multiplied across 39 floors, that is almost 1.7 million square feet of building.  Speculate away as to what that square footage could be.

As for the your question regarding "Feet overrides floors?", the answer is no. Those instances are a whatever comes first situation. I'll give you a different example. We were looking at a site that allowed 15 stories/150 feet. When we did parking and the multi-family program, the 150' cap was hit at only 13 floors. That meant the tallest our base zoning would allow (with that floor-to-floor height) is 13 floors. Office would've been even shorter with alot more parking. Residential is typically a shorter floor-to-floor so you can get more floors within a height dimension, but office is typically taller floor-to-floor so you will get less floors in that height.

[titanhog]

I sometimes read these explanations of height limitations and the only thing I can think of is that they have a bunch of numbers in a fishbowl and pull one out and say, “Ok…this section here can only go up 100’.  Pull out the next number.  Ok…this section next to it can go up to 1200’.  Next…"

[Armacing]

24 minutes ago, titanhog said:

I sometimes read these explanations of height limitations and the only thing I can think of is that they have a bunch of numbers in a fishbowl and pull one out and say, “Ok…this section here can only go up 100’.  Pull out the next number.  Ok…this section next to it can go up to 1200’.  Next…"

Regardless of how they come up with the height limits, it's obvious that they serve no purpose for consumers.  The only purpose of the height limits is to provide jobs for the bozos who came up with the limits, and a reason for politicians to receive bribes/kick-backs/favors from developers when the limits need to be bypassed.  Just look at how often the limits are exceeded in Nashville after a political process has played out... clearly the limits are completely arbitrary.  If there were a compelling existential reason for the limits there would be no exceptions.

Ask yourself this question:  If there is no demand for a 50-story tower, will a developer build one?  And if there *is* a demand for a 50-story tower, who has a good reason why one should not be built to satisfy the demand for high-rise office/residential space?  I can't think of a single reason why anyone other than the developers should have a say in how they build out the Reed district because they have a vested interest in making sure their project satisfies consumer demand.  No other party cares as much about satisfying the consumer as the developer (if other parties even care about consumers at all).

Everyone else besides the developers just has opinions that are worth about as much as the amount of money they have invested in the Reed District, which is zero.

 

[PillowTalk4]

Why would any height restrictions be placed on the Reed property other than one driven by the FAA?  What is in that area that any building of any height would impede upon?  Sounds like Nashville still getting in the way.  They just can't help themselves.

[smeagolsfree]

2 hours ago, PillowTalk4 said:

Why would any height restrictions be placed on the Reed property other than one driven by the FAA?  What is in that area that any building of any height would impede upon?  Sounds like Nashville still getting in the way.  They just can't help themselves.

Agree 100%. There are antiquated height regulations all over downtown and midtown. Bitch to Freddie, as it is in his district and also to Bradon Taylor as the rest of midtown is his. The height restrictions in these areas are going to have to be lifted or changed drastically. The same can be said for SoBro. Freddie says he is going to change this before he leaves office, well he should get busy.

[markhollin]

New diagrams on the three phase roll-out of the Reed District put together by NashvilleNowNext:

https://nashvillenownext.com/2022/05/16/the-reed-site-looks-to-its-extend-zoning-exception-in-midtown-nashville/

 

[smeagolsfree]

Look for some construction to start next year!