Go Gators!

[spenser1058]

So, I have my playlist on shuffle and “Everybody Hurts” pops up. Of course, by R.E.M. , the best thing ever to come out of UGA and Athens, and the only reason we can forgive them for foisting Herschel Walker upon us.

Then, the very next song *cue “Twilight Zone” theme* to come up was “Free Fallin’” by Hogtown native Tom Petty. You can run but you cannot hide!

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, spenser1058 said:

So, I have my playlist on shuffle and “Everybody Hurts” pops up. Of course, by R.E.M. , the best thing ever to come out of UGA and Athens, and the only reason we can forgive them for foisting Herschel Walker upon us.

Then, the very next song *cue “Twilight Zone” theme* to come up was “Free Fallin’” by Hogtown native Tom Petty. You can run but you cannot hide!

…likewise, I’ve got a smattering of B-52’s out of Athens on my playlist; gotta love that Fred Schneider, one of the best frontmen ever…

[spenser1058]

“UF faculty survey shows a desire to leave, low confidence in leadership

More than 70% expressed doubts that the board of trustees would pick a new president with academic priorities.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/08/08/uf-faculty-survey-shows-a-desire-to-leave-low-confidence-in-leadership/

From The Tampa Bay Times 

Yep, DeStupid is bent on destroying Florida’s flagship university and only AAU school.

Edited August 8, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

6 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

“UF faculty survey shows a desire to leave, low confidence in leadership

More than 70% expressed doubts that the board of trustees would pick a new president with academic priorities.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/08/08/uf-faculty-survey-shows-a-desire-to-leave-low-confidence-in-leadership/

From The Tampa Bay Times 

Yep, DeStupid is bent on destroying Florida’s flagship university and only AAU school.

That's not what's going on at UF...

First, that article was written by a Union member, so go figure on that biased slant. 

I will sum up what's going on now in a simple message to these professors:   Teach the curriculum and stop interjecting personal political and/or social bias.  

You have no idea what I've heard  over the years from higher education students telling me about some of the BS their professors discuss in class that has nothing to do with the curriculum.  Teach the class and stop using it as a political or social sounding board.  When students are tested on a syllabus' content, they don't care about you're political or social views...

And now students have logged complaints to the administration (and their parents) about some of these Union member professors that are now "scared" because they can no longer have free reign in their classrooms because students are getting some of them fired.

So the "fear of reprisal" isn't because of a DeSantis appointee, it is because a lot of these UF students come from well to do families that are having conversations with their kids about what they're learning in class.   And after those conversations it's the parents, the ones with deep pockets, laying into the administration about this BS.    I know for a fact that if you get enough students to complain about a professor, undergrad or grad school, they're getting fired. I've seen it happen.

These professors can't complain about parents; so they complain about DeSantis.

Go Gators.

[spenser1058]

23 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

That's not what's going on at UF...

First, that article was written by a Union member, so go figure on that biased slant. 

I will sum up what's going on now in a simple message to these professors:   Teach the curriculum and stop interjecting personal political and/or social bias.  

You have no idea what I've heard  over the years from higher education students telling me about some of the BS their professors discuss in class that has nothing to do with the curriculum.  Teach the class and stop using it as a political or social sounding board.  When students are tested on a syllabus' content, they don't care about you're political or social views...

And now students have logged complaints to the administration (and their parents) about some of these Union member professors that are now "scared" because they can no longer have free reign in their classrooms because students are getting some of them fired.

So the "fear of reprisal" isn't because of a DeSantis appointee, it is because a lot of these UF students come from well to do families that are having conversations with their kids about what they're learning in class.   And after those conversations it's the parents, the ones with deep pockets, laying into the administration about this BS.    I know for a fact that if you get enough students to complain about a professor, undergrad or grad school, they're getting fired. I've seen it happen.

These professors can't complain about parents; so they complain about DeSantis.

Go Gators.

You mean like the FSU Econ dept funded by the Koch brothers?

And, you should know, faculty had to join unions to avoid exactly what’s happening now. We have more political interference in Florida universities than we’ve had since Charley Johns was governor. 

Sorry, but what happened with the university and expert witnesses was uncalled for, as is paying a radically controversial Surgeon General from university funds and then he rarely shows up to teach. 

After we’re done at UF, wanna talk about Randy Fine at UCF?

If DeSatan keeps this up, accreditation will suffer, but I guess losing AAU status doesn’t matter to you. 

Sorry, your dog won’t hunt.

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

48 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

You mean like the FSU Econ dept funded by the Koch brothers?

And, you should know, faculty had to join unions to avoid exactly what’s happening now. We have more political interference in Florida universities than we’ve had since Charley Johns was governor. 

Sorry, but what happened with the university and expert witnesses was uncalled for, as is paying a radically controversial Surgeon General from university funds and then he rarely shows up to teach. 

After we’re done at UF, wanna talk about Randy Fine at UCF?

If DeSatan keeps this up, accreditation will suffer, but I guess losing AAU status doesn’t matter to you. 

Sorry, your dog won’t hunt.
 

I don't know details about those examples, but what I'd like to know, is what exactly is a DeSantis Board of Trustee appointee telling these professors what they can or can't do if that's what's at the heart of the matter?  How would a Trustee or the Administration even know what a professor is doing (or not doing) within the classroom unless someone complains?  What limitations can a Trustee possibly place on a college professor?  Are they now restricted from teaching what's on their syllabus?  Are there new rules for using the breakroom?  I mean, what can the gripe possibly be?  Less pay? 

"Academic freedom?"  What exactly is that? The right to impose your political and social views in Chemistry class?  

"Free from undue political influence?" If a professor is teaching their political and social agenda policies in Accounting 101, and the Administration says "stop it," is that exercising "undue political influence?"

"not bringing in research funding"- well, it's sales; if you don't add to the school's reputation, then you aren't benefitting it.  

There's a lot of issues at play here.

But it looks to me like you've got a bunch of whiney no-real-world-experience professors beotching and moaning behind the shield of a "state" unionized job, interjecting their own political and social views in the classroom, while simultaneously not using that same energy to bring in money for the school, and instead hiding behind the Union to keep them from getting fired, and on top of it, blaming the Administration for their lack of productivity (because of their morale issues).

Here's a solution:  do your job, get published, go to the requisite meetings and market the school and bring in money like is required of you.  Stanford does it; Cal does it.  Try getting away with that same bullcrap over there and you'll be fired in a heartbeat, DeSantis appointed trustees or not.

[AmIReal]

11 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Yep, DeStupid is bent on destroying Florida’s flagship university and only AAU school.

Just a few days ago you posted that UF had become #2 in ROI for public schools. https://floridapolitics.com/archives/543945-uf-has-no-2-roi-among-public-universities-nationwide/

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Here's a solution:  do your job, get published, go to the requisite meetings and market the school and bring in money like is required of you.  Stanford does it; Cal does it.  Try getting away with that same bullcrap over there and you'll be fired in a heartbeat, DeSantis appointed trustees or not.

Are you kidding me? Stanford and Cal have some of the most outspoken professors. I'm not sure why, but you seem to have a very negative view of college. College is the first time most students are outside their familiar circles. It is exactly the kind of place their ideas should be challenged and maybe even offended. Your examples are a little silly- political views in chem and social agenda in accounting. You know that's not where the issues are, seriously. If people are offended to learn the USA has not always been the good guy and that social minorities are not always treated well, then they will probably not do well in society.

Regarding these rules that Desantis has imposed on professors, realize it is not just in colleges where he is imposing HIS agenda. He is doing the same throughout all schools, public employers and even in private workplaces and associations (see stop woke act.) I feel that is extreme overreach into how I run my business.

 

[AmIReal]

On 8/7/2022 at 4:46 PM, jrs2 said:

…likewise, I’ve got a smattering of B-52’s out of Athens on my playlist; gotta love that Fred Schneider, one of the best frontmen ever…

Did you know he has a coffee shop in Deland?

[jrs2]

15 hours ago, AmIReal said:

Are you kidding me? Stanford and Cal have some of the most outspoken professors. I'm not sure why, but you seem to have a very negative view of college. College is the first time most students are outside their familiar circles. It is exactly the kind of place their ideas should be challenged and maybe even offended. Your examples are a little silly- political views in chem and social agenda in accounting. You know that's not where the issues are, seriously. If people are offended to learn the USA has not always been the good guy and that social minorities are not always treated well, then they will probably not do well in society.

Regarding these rules that Desantis has imposed on professors, realize it is not just in colleges where he is imposing HIS agenda. He is doing the same throughout all schools, public employers and even in private workplaces and associations (see stop woke act.) I feel that is extreme overreach into how I run my business.

Unionized teachers are apparently more interested in pushing their politics on college students than they are in teaching the subject matter and making money for UF.  Obviously, otherwise, that article wouldn't have been written.  Let us all agree on that point.

Hey, immigrants left their socialist countries and moved to the US for a better life.  If you dislike society so much, then trade places with some of those immigrants and see how great it is over there.   They would gladly trade places with you.

[jack]

On 8/8/2022 at 3:17 PM, jrs2 said:

That's not what's going on at UF...

First, that article was written by a Union member, so go figure on that biased slant. 

I will sum up what's going on now in a simple message to these professors:   Teach the curriculum and stop interjecting personal political and/or social bias.  

You have no idea what I've heard  over the years from higher education students telling me about some of the BS their professors discuss in class that has nothing to do with the curriculum.  Teach the class and stop using it as a political or social sounding board.  When students are tested on a syllabus' content, they don't care about you're political or social views...

And now students have logged complaints to the administration (and their parents) about some of these Union member professors that are now "scared" because they can no longer have free reign in their classrooms because students are getting some of them fired.

So the "fear of reprisal" isn't because of a DeSantis appointee, it is because a lot of these UF students come from well to do families that are having conversations with their kids about what they're learning in class.   And after those conversations it's the parents, the ones with deep pockets, laying into the administration about this BS.    I know for a fact that if you get enough students to complain about a professor, undergrad or grad school, they're getting fired. I've seen it happen.

These professors can't complain about parents; so they complain about DeSantis.

Go Gators.

Colleges have had liberal professors since the 1950's "see God, Man and Yale".. They have been accused of this for so long that our natural reaction is to agree with it. But if you follow F.I.R.E, they see a trend where the conflicts are coming from the students, not the faculty. pre 20212, most of their lawsuits were directed at faculty staff for free speech violations of the students. Now, it is faculty having their free speech violated due to complaints from the students. the inmates are running the asylum. 

Just want to remind everyone that this is the challenge with public education. Not everyone agrees to how it should be provided. Especially when a legislature gets involved. 

[jrs2]

4 hours ago, jack said:

Colleges have had liberal professors since the 1950's "see God, Man and Yale".. They have been accused of this for so long that our natural reaction is to agree with it. But if you follow F.I.R.E, they see a trend where the conflicts are coming from the students, not the faculty. pre 20212, most of their lawsuits were directed at faculty staff for free speech violations of the students. Now, it is faculty having their free speech violated due to complaints from the students. the inmates are running the asylum. 

Just want to remind everyone that this is the challenge with public education. Not everyone agrees to how it should be provided. Especially when a legislature gets involved. 

There is no "the challenge."  Just teach the curriculum.  Is that really so hard?  It's a simple concept.  But, no,  Liberals use the education system as a platform to indoctrinate students.  They feel it's their right to do so. 

So now, the parents that stroke the checks are getting involved and getting people fired that have no business teaching their kids in the first place, and at a public university too (UF), which is a downright beautiful thing.  For the longest time, the inmates have been these "professors", not the students; but guess what, they ain't running the asylum anymore and they can't stand it, crying fowl to their union reps.  

It's like pedophilia, except these liberal teachers are psychological pedophiles.  You try that BS and the kid tells the parent, your goose is cooked., and you better start looking for a new job quick and hope you don't ever see them on the street.

You mentioned when a legislature gets involved.  You remember the old adage of contacting your local representatives, right? That's what they're there for, to listen to their constituents and to do their jobs.

Trust me, there are a ton of Democrats that disagree with this Leftist BS; they just put up with it because they hate the Republicans (or Trump) more.  

[spenser1058]

The thing is , there are universities pushing back on the MAGA nonsense. Indiana University is a great example of a far-right governor trying to dilute the quality of a long-standing AAU school and shut him right up. When universities don’t have the independence to follow the facts wherever they may lead, you’re left with Liberty University and Hillman College.

Sadly, what should be the pride of the sunshine (ahem) is left as “please, sir, may U have some more?” 

It’s particularly ridiculous as the MAGA idiots try to whitewash Jim Crow in the very section of Florida that has the worst record (sadly, we were one of the worst sections of the country for lynching). Rosewood, the Groveland Four, the Ocoee Massacre, house bombings in Mims (Google them) all happened within a couple of hours of Gainesville. Orange County had members of the Klan in public office until the early ‘70’s.

And the curriculum. No matter how much the MAGA crowd wants to throw out evolution, it is the basis for the science of biology. You simply can’t turn out biologists without it. Tell that to the “Moms For Liberty” who your wonderful governor went to their convention and wholeheartedly embraced.

That’s just two areas - there are scores of others. And, if researchers fear for their jobs if they follow the truth, they’ll go elsewhere. The University of Florida, which worked so hard to join the nationally recognized universities, will fall back to what it used to be - no better than other Southern schools like Auburn and Miss. State. That’s a helluva lot more important to the future of the state than football.

So, be one of the respected institutions that pushes back on dreck. We’ve never spoken about whether you’re actually a Gainesville alum, but if you are, fight for the quality your school has reached. Don’t go back to the ‘50’s when Charley Johns almost destroyed the place.

No matter how much grief. I give the school about football, as a Floridian, I’m damn proud of how far it’s come just in my lifetime. We used to only imagine a Florida school could compete academically with Michigan, Ohio State or Chapel Hill. Don’t let them take it backward now.
 

[AmIReal]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Just teach the curriculum

A- This is not high school. By the time you reach your 3rd year the curriculum is generally determined by the instructor or at least by the program. 

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

that have no business teaching their kids in the first place, and at a public university too

B- WTF are you talking about- how are they not qualified. Do you have the faintest clue what it takes to get to that position?

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

It's like pedophilia, except these liberal teachers are psychological pedophiles

C- Extra WTF. No really, WTF. Is there some weird internet conspiracy that I've missed because I don't know what you mean.

 

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

That's what they're there for, to listen to their constituents and to do their jobs.

No. That is actually part of the problem. The general population is not very intelligent. We hope that people going through a very highly acclaimed, high-priced University are more intelligent than their parents when they leave.  Your lovely little brats that go off to the U will be able to be confronted with off putting ideology- no matter what spectrum it comes from- and come out whole on the other side. And I really do mean this to apply to both sides. (*yes, I know extremes have a limit)

As @spenser1058 mentioned, evolution is not a questionable theory to be de debated. And, CRT is a concept taught in 2nd year law school and should be. Although UF has made great strides in their program recognition in the past 8 years, a decade of Desantis rules would set it back tremendously. 

[jrs2]

15 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

A- This is not high school. By the time you reach your 3rd year the curriculum is generally determined by the instructor or at least by the program. 

B- WTF are you talking about- how are they not qualified. Do you have the faintest clue what it takes to get to that position?

C- Extra WTF. No really, WTF. Is there some weird internet conspiracy that I've missed because I don't know what you mean.

 

No. That is actually part of the problem. The general population is not very intelligent. We hope that people going through a very highly acclaimed, high-priced University are more intelligent than their parents when they leave.  Your lovely little brats that go off to the U will be able to be confronted with off putting ideology- no matter what spectrum it comes from- and come out whole on the other side. And I really do mean this to apply to both sides. (*yes, I know extremes have a limit)

As @spenser1058 mentioned, evolution is not a questionable theory to be de debated. And, CRT is a concept taught in 2nd year law school and should be. Although UF has made great strides in their program recognition in the past 8 years, a decade of Desantis rules would set it back tremendously. 

Oh boy. I got swindled into going to Michael Buble. Check out my photos from Amway in the other threads.

My point about questioning religion has to do with the fact that the masses are more easily controlled when they are atheists. The government is God.  

Liberals and Leftists claim the high ground on just about everything, including intelligence. The funny thing is that you cannot discern between what is written in print and propaganda.  Right now my recruiters are laughing at this post saying...see, I told you so.

I don't mean these teachers aren't qualified to teach based on their education and ability to follow directions regarding a curriculum.  I mean they have no right to couch personal leftist philosophy AS curriculum, unless the class is about social related issues 

As for business people and their views about leftist teachers...well...they've already voiced their opinions to administrators.  I'm just commenting on it.  You learn more from the real world from some leftist zealot in academia trying to brainwash you through whatever methods they use.  Well, if leftists succeed in killing small businesses then maybe not.  

Let's just do this...let's just teach that if you're conservative,  you are scum. Then, let's follow that up with if you're religious, you are even worse, and if you are white, and male, heterosexual, you are the worst of the bunch. Did I hit the nail on the head? Pretty much.  Aren't you the one that got offended at comments about Harris? Where was that zeal about Sarah Palin or every other conservative female?  And, hiding behind the veil of intellectual or academic superiority doesn't mean that you have it, it just means that you think you do, and it just shows how duped you are...unfortunately. 

Time for the crap show...

[jack]

16 hours ago, jrs2 said:

There is no "the challenge."  Just teach the curriculum.  Is that really so hard?  It's a simple concept.  But, no,  Liberals use the education system as a platform to indoctrinate students.  They feel it's their right to do so. 

So now, the parents that stroke the checks are getting involved and getting people fired that have no business teaching their kids in the first place, and at a public university too (UF), which is a downright beautiful thing.  For the longest time, the inmates have been these "professors", not the students; but guess what, they ain't running the asylum anymore and they can't stand it, crying fowl to their union reps.  

It's like pedophilia, except these liberal teachers are psychological pedophiles.  You try that BS and the kid tells the parent, your goose is cooked., and you better start looking for a new job quick and hope you don't ever see them on the street.

You mentioned when a legislature gets involved.  You remember the old adage of contacting your local representatives, right? That's what they're there for, to listen to their constituents and to do their jobs.

Trust me, there are a ton of Democrats that disagree with this Leftist BS; they just put up with it because they hate the Republicans (or Trump) more.  

It's a challenge because many of us are not full throated defenders of public education. Especially at the K-12 level where attendance is compulsory. 

Your view of higher education is dated. The people getting fired are left of center professors because of students that are extremely left. They step out of line with a racial, free speech, or any comment that does not meet current orthodoxy, and the school finds reason to fire them. There are many SJW conservative students that push for firing as well but they are not as powerful as the other side. 

As to indoctrination, no one of sound mind can be indoctrinated. If parents don't prepare their kids to think critically, they don't belong in a university setting. 

[jack]

15 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

The thing is , there are universities pushing back on the MAGA nonsense. Indiana University is a great example of a far-right governor trying to dilute the quality of a long-standing AAU school and shut him right up. When universities don’t have the independence to follow the facts wherever they may lead, you’re left with Liberty University and Hillman College.

Sadly, what should be the pride of the sunshine (ahem) is left as “please, sir, may U have some more?” 

It’s particularly ridiculous as the MAGA idiots try to whitewash Jim Crow in the very section of Florida that has the worst record (sadly, we were one of the worst sections of the country for lynching). Rosewood, the Groveland Four, the Ocoee Massacre, house bombings in Mims (Google them) all happened within a couple of hours of Gainesville. Orange County had members of the Klan in public office until the early ‘70’s.

And the curriculum. No matter how much the MAGA crowd wants to throw out evolution, it is the basis for the science of biology. You simply can’t turn out biologists without it. Tell that to the “Moms For Liberty” who your wonderful governor went to their convention and wholeheartedly embraced.

 

I assume you are referring to Hillsdale, not Hillman. Liberty is an evangelical southern college while Hillsdale's foundation is in conservatism. Very different atmosphere. Hillsdale unfortunately has gone social justicey lately has they rebrand as a national/populist conservative university. 

Your concern about whitewashing is very accurate and unfortunate. Kids are going to learn about these things one way or another. I'd rather it be from a professor/teacher than from TikTok. And when kids/young adults feel like facts are being withheld from them, they will lash out and reject everything, 

[spenser1058]

As y’all hem and haw while the Tallahassee idiots seek to return our flagship university to the McCarthy era, here’s all I have to say:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA

Edited August 11, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

Ok, I'm not 100% sure on what I typed last night above and don't really want to read it right now b/c of work.  I was hoodwinked into seeing Buble at Amway (hence the photos) and I was tipsy and very pissy.  I spent half the time texting a pal about "real" concerts and then he checked out...I pretty much was pissy and bored and semi drunk...So...I'll get to that at some point today...and if any retractions need to be made, they so shall be made.  Cheers everyone!

BTW, Buble is Buble.  He did do a descent job of putting on a concert; just not someone I would spend money to go see. it was 2.5hrs of...kind of like it might feel if you were Neo sitting in a chair in front of Agent Smith answering questions about where Morpheus was.

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, jack said:

It's a challenge because many of us are not full throated defenders of public education. Especially at the K-12 level where attendance is compulsory. 

Your view of higher education is dated. The people getting fired are left of center professors because of students that are extremely left. They step out of line with a racial, free speech, or any comment that does not meet current orthodoxy, and the school finds reason to fire them. There are many SJW conservative students that push for firing as well but they are not as powerful as the other side. 

As to indoctrination, no one of sound mind can be indoctrinated. If parents don't prepare their kids to think critically, they don't belong in a university setting. 

Alright, I reread my responses again; not as bad as I thought they might have been.

Let me simply say this...when you are younger, you are more impressionable.  If you keep getting bombarded by the same stuff, eventually it gets through, or some of it does.  It's not about teaching somebody to be a critical thinker or about being of sound mind, it's about the impressionable age, which is undeniable; even an 18yo.

When I was in urban planning one of my professors was a Black individual, probably the coolest guy there.  He actually sat us down one day and asked us why we were so accepting of the gas prices in town, which were all roughly the same price, which was a jacked price compared to the places we were all from back home.  He was trying to get us to see there was a concerted effort to gouge college students.  He even dropped the "F" bomb now and then.  He was the only "real" professor to me, because he was totally relatable.  I loved him; wish I knew if he was still alive today. 

Anyway, he did not try to white-shame white students like they do today.  That's what pisses me off.  And what is "white" anyway?  I know white Puerto Ricans whiter than me yet   And, Hispanics are a "minority." What kind of BS is that?  They don't suffer the ire of the Left?  And my people are relatively all darker but I'm not.  So?  Shame me because of my DNA but not my cousin or mom?  My people are all recent immigrants? Shame them?  For what? 

Some of the Leftist BS just creates a lot of head shaking from immigrants.  They just keep their mouths shut and try to not make waves and live their lives- that is, until BLM rioters try to loot their neighborhoods.  Thank you Mexican gangs in SW Chicago for thwarting that BS in your territory...thwarting it with guns, that is...  You won't hear about THAT incident on CNN...EVER...because it doesn't fit their narrative.

You even get shamed for being heterosexual.  I remember Richard Gere refused to state his sexual orientation for fear of offending his amd his wife's gay social circle.  Seriously?  You mentioned earlier about the inmates running the asylum?  Explain this BS...

Anyway, it's just another Leftist tool to split the masses apart and make people gouge each others' eyes out while they sit back and laugh.  Clarification:  the Left and Right are controlled by the same source...but that's at a whole different level nobody even wants to entertain even though it's true.  On that point, the Right has their "tools" too...but, being a straight white male doesn't make you a right winger nor an enemy of the state- or at least it shouldn't.

[jrs2]

18 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

The thing is , there are universities pushing back on the MAGA nonsense. Indiana University is a great example of a far-right governor trying to dilute the quality of a long-standing AAU school and shut him right up. When universities don’t have the independence to follow the facts wherever they may lead, you’re left with Liberty University and Hillman College.

Sadly, what should be the pride of the sunshine (ahem) is left as “please, sir, may U have some more?” 

It’s particularly ridiculous as the MAGA idiots try to whitewash Jim Crow in the very section of Florida that has the worst record (sadly, we were one of the worst sections of the country for lynching). Rosewood, the Groveland Four, the Ocoee Massacre, house bombings in Mims (Google them) all happened within a couple of hours of Gainesville. Orange County had members of the Klan in public office until the early ‘70’s.

And the curriculum. No matter how much the MAGA crowd wants to throw out evolution, it is the basis for the science of biology. You simply can’t turn out biologists without it. Tell that to the “Moms For Liberty” who your wonderful governor went to their convention and wholeheartedly embraced.

That’s just two areas - there are scores of others. And, if researchers fear for their jobs if they follow the truth, they’ll go elsewhere. The University of Florida, which worked so hard to join the nationally recognized universities, will fall back to what it used to be - no better than other Southern schools like Auburn and Miss. State. That’s a helluva lot more important to the future of the state than football.

So, be one of the respected institutions that pushes back on dreck. We’ve never spoken about whether you’re actually a Gainesville alum, but if you are, fight for the quality your school has reached. Don’t go back to the ‘50’s when Charley Johns almost destroyed the place.

No matter how much grief. I give the school about football, as a Floridian, I’m damn proud of how far it’s come just in my lifetime. We used to only imagine a Florida school could compete academically with Michigan, Ohio State or Chapel Hill. Don’t let them take it backward now.

My reference to evolution was merely using state mandated "facts" from an "atheistic" (at least on the surface) authority to tell someone that their religious beliefs have no merit.  Evolution is real, obviously, but real to a point.  There is a difference between what the State mandates to go in a text versus truth.  People assume the State is telling them the truth (or at least liberals do based on the reactions I get on these boards).

If you cannot see that the State needs people to be atheists to control them, then I don't know what else to tell you.  Look at history.  The Roman Empire.  The Caesar was God and the ultimate authority. You cannot have more than one God to control a population.   Now apply that to present day here.   Do you even realize that Club Walt mandates that its members believe in a higher power and that you cannot be a member if you are an atheist?  That's right.  

Now back to your "reality" of Left vs Right, before you start name dropping MAGA idiots whitewashing Jim Crow or whatever, look up the history of which party was against Blacks in the 1800's and the 1900's, who created the KKK, and who was against Emancipation, and all that before you start creating a new narrative and brainwash all the newbies as to who is for or against what.  I know quite a few "Blacks" (as the Left now has agreed to refer to them) that have disavowed the Left.  Look at Malcom X too while you're at it and what he thought about Liberals back in the 1960's.  I've posted about it.  You cannot rewrite history and rest your laurels on the tried and true "the Democrats of yesterday are the Republicans of today."  That dog don't hunt.

As for UF, it is simple and I've stated it probably five times in the past week or so:  stop race shaming people in college and interjecting political slant in curriculum that has nothing to do with politics (at least not on the surface).  What race and gender shaming has to do with being competitive with Michigan and Chapel Hill, I have no idea.  So, professors have a choice- they either have allegiance to the school  and their jobs, or they have allegiance to their Party- and THEY made it that way; not the other way around. 

Man, we went from race shaming to gender shaming, and even through in medical shaming for good measure- all from the Left.  I even experienced ethnic shaming from someone I know who is Black.  Where does it end...'still breathing' shaming?   Probably.

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3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

My reference to evolution was merely using state mandated "facts" from an "atheistic" (at least on the surface) authority to tell someone that their religious beliefs have no merit.  Evolution is real, obviously, but real to a point.  There is a difference between what the State mandates to go in a text versus truth.  People assume the State is telling them the truth (or at least liberals do based on the reactions I get on these boards).

If you cannot see that the State needs people to be atheists to control them, then I don't know what else to tell you.  Look at history.  The Roman Empire.  The Caesar was God and the ultimate authority. You cannot have more than one God to control a population.   Now apply that to present day here.   Do you even realize that Club Walt mandates that its members believe in a higher power and that you cannot be a member if you are an atheist?  That's right.  

Now back to your "reality" of Left vs Right, before you start name dropping MAGA idiots whitewashing Jim Crow or whatever, look up the history of which party was against Blacks in the 1800's and the 1900's, who created the KKK, and who was against Emancipation, and all that before you start creating a new narrative and brainwash all the newbies as to who is for or against what.  I know quite a few "Blacks" (as the Left now has agreed to refer to them) that have disavowed the Left.  Look at Malcom X too while you're at it and what he thought about Liberals back in the 1960's.  I've posted about it.  You cannot rewrite history and rest your laurels on the tried and true "the Democrats of yesterday are the Republicans of today."  That dog don't hunt.

As for UF, it is simple and I've stated it probably five times in the past week or so:  stop race shaming people in college and interjecting political slant in curriculum that has nothing to do with politics (at least not on the surface).  What race and gender shaming has to do with being competitive with Michigan and Chapel Hill, I have no idea.  So, professors have a choice- they either have allegiance to the school  and their jobs, or they have allegiance to their Party- and THEY made it that way; not the other way around. 

Man, we went from race shaming to gender shaming, and even through in medical shaming for good measure- all from the Left.  I even experienced ethnic shaming from someone I know who is Black.  Where does it end...'still breathing' shaming?   Probably.

I hate to tell you but no one is getting fired for anything you mentioned. It would be a violation of tenure and academic freedom. Unless you can find something that violates the university's code of conduct, professors are mostly untouchable. 

Ethnic, racial and whatever discrimination sucks but that is life. It has always been part of humanity, and will always be there in one form or another. 

Don't get me started on the republicans of today were the democrats of yesterday. It is very complicated but there is a lot of truth to it. The simplest answer if you look at the Deep South. Most states were democratic states until 2000. Texas is a great example. Rick Perry was a democrat until the 90's and held office and held office as one. Texas was a blue state locally even though they were voting for republicans for president. Same with Alabama, etc. But these guys were more into wealth redistribution and attacking elites. They considered themselves the working mans party. 

Republicans were dominant in the north post civil war and the midwest. They have always been the party of the well to do and small government etc. But the populist wing dominates it now because of the migration of the Dixiecrats into the party. 

Ultimately, because we have a two party system, we have coalitions that don't make sense. 

[spenser1058]

At the newly named Charley Johns School of Invertebrates (fka the University of Florida), the new Heavener Training Center is at last complete.

It’s a great looking building (brick seems so much more appropriate in North and Central Florida- save the stucco and concrete for South Florida, please). The traditional windows add to its appearance.

Sadly, after all that, they decided to stick palm trees in front of it. Oh well, let’s go drop some acorns in front of it and wait…

Gators’ wait is over: UF football’s $85 million facility finally set to open
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/os-sp-uf-florida-gators-football-facility-open-0813-20220813-g7awqa6htrhn7jfmsqqoryd3wu-story.html

From The Sentinel 

Btw, The Tampa Bay Times has weighed in on our flagship university’s increasing spinelessness:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/08/14/ufs-lingering-self-inflicted-damage-editorial/
 

Edited August 14, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

10 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

At the newly named Charley Johns School of Invertebrates (fka the University of Florida), the new Heavener Training Center is at last complete.

It’s a great looking building (brick seems so much more appropriate in North and Central Florida- save the stucco and concrete for South Florida, please). The traditional windows add to its appearance.

Sadly, after all that, they decided to stick palm trees in front of it. Oh well, let’s go drop some acorns in front of it and wait…

Gators’ wait is over: UF football’s $85 million facility finally set to open
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/os-sp-uf-florida-gators-football-facility-open-0813-20220813-g7awqa6htrhn7jfmsqqoryd3wu-story.html

From The Sentinel 

Btw, The Tampa Bay Times has weighed in on our flagship university’s increasing spinelessness:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/08/14/ufs-lingering-self-inflicted-damage-editorial/
 

Gotta be Oaks...palms? Eh...depending...

Got three big commits so far this weekend

[jrs2]

practices going on...the football building opened up for viewing only to the Titanic lifeboat crowd...and...just a lot of jiberish about this and that...

[spenser1058]

Topping $1 billion/year, the B1G signs its next TV deal split between FOX, CBS and NBC:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/sports/ncaafootball/big-ten-deal-tv.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

From CBS Sports