Carolina Panthers Facilities

[tozmervo]

1 hour ago, TheOneRJ said:

I doubt there are any actual plans for a roof to be added to the current stadium. He’s likely just throwing that out there to see how the public and the city respond to the impending financial assistance he will want for a new stadium, which will obviously happen within the next decade. 

What I find perplexing is that an architecture firm is the one that talked to the media. That seems very out of turn. 

[urbanlover568]

Any ideas on Superbowl years? 

[urbanlover568]

Don't expect anything until at least 2021

[thenewkage95]

Don't expect anything until at least 2021

Perhaps it were worded differently so as to not imply that 100% of the funds would come from taxpayer revenue...


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[urbanlover568]

11 minutes ago, thenewkage95 said:

Perhaps it were worded differently so as to not imply that 100% of the funds would come from taxpayer revenue...


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I missed the "100%" in the poll. 

[slipperypete]

16 hours ago, urbanlover568 said:

I missed the "100%" in the poll. 

It's right there -> foot the bill

Pay the number at the foot. Of the bill. Which is the total. Even without understanding the origin of the phrase, it gives a strong impression of paying for the entirety of the enchillada. A question worded more neutrally/clearly might be something like "Should taxpayer money already allocated for tourism improvements in Charlotte-Mecklenburg be used to pay for part of stadium renovations?" Or even make clear that it's largely visitors to our fair city who are the taxpayers referred to in the question. But wcnc wouldn't get as many angry clicks. 

[urbanlover568]

Should taxpayer money already allocated for tourism improvements in Charlotte-Mecklenburg be used to pay for part of stadium renovations?

 

That's a loaded question because you are making it a fact that It will improve tourism and the funding has been acquired. All which is false or unsubstantiated no facts or studies. I think wcnc worded it right. Feel free to visit the comments section in Facebook under that article.

[slipperypete]

48 minutes ago, urbanlover568 said:

Should taxpayer money already allocated for tourism improvements in Charlotte-Mecklenburg be used to pay for part of stadium renovations?

 

That's a loaded question because you are making it a fact that It will improve tourism and the funding has been acquired. All which is false or unsubstantiated no facts or studies. I think wcnc worded it right. Feel free to visit the comments section in Facebook under that article.

Nope. You missed it again. Tax money can be allocated before it is collected.  We collect targeted hotel, car rental, restaurant and bar taxes, and allocate those funds for tourism-related investments. The revenue is allocated. For tourism improvements. And there's nothing in my rewording that asserts the stadium work is certain to make an improvement. The city and county make these decisions all the time. Some projects result in a lot of improvement, and some in much less (some even do no good at all I would imagine). Whether some specific project should receive these funds is the actually interesting question here, and nobody knows with certainty that any funded project will be a success or not.

The point I was making is that it seems likely to me that the vast majority of the people saying "no" to that original question have no idea that any of these revenue streams are already set up. That there is money sitting in a fund waiting to be paid out for projects, and new revenue coming in all the time from these taxes that already exist.  It's a suspicion, but if true it makes the responses to that question less interesting. 

Two other questions I would have added are:

• Do you support using revenue from the targeted sales tax on restaurants & bars for tourism improvements in Charlotte, and if not where would you like to see that money go instead? (support, remove the tax, fund affordable housing, fund education, fund transit, fund...). 
• Do you support using revenues from the targeted sales tax on hotel and car rental for tourism improvements in Charlotte, and if not...

It's very difficult at this point for CharMeck to get any additional sales taxes approved by the NC legislature. So I do think it's wise for us to keep the ones we have in place given the many needs in our community. But I do think it's worth a frank discussion within the community to decide how we should allocate future funds from those special taxes. And for the record, I'd much rather see that money from those two categories go to housing/education and transit, respectively, rather than an improved stadium. 

[urbanlover568]

It's not available right now for this. It would have to be reappropriated.

[Hushpuppy321]

I wonder how much the Convention Center Renovations and the newly dedicated $110M to MLS HQ is going to hamstring the Tourism funds for?

Theres so much more that needs funding like that recent article about the Discovery Place Museum Renovation or Replacement.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Hushpuppy321

[InSouthPark]

Rock Hill approved the Panthers incentives yesterday, including some last minute additions that caused a stir.  But the deal is done and Tepper has tax breaks on 1100 acres!  One thing I heard on TV that isn't in the article: opening is delayed until 2023.

https://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article242158021.html

 

[dylansukkert]

Would it not make sense to have both Charlotte MLS and NFL headquarters at the same place that being Rock Hill or East Land Mall area?

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, dylansukkert said:

Would it not make sense to have both Charlotte MLS and NFL headquarters at the same place that being Rock Hill or East Land Mall area?

Then you couldn't get tax incentives from two different states and municipalities. #SpreadTheWealth

[InSouthPark]

38 minutes ago, dylansukkert said:

Would it not make sense to have both Charlotte MLS and NFL headquarters at the same place that being Rock Hill or East Land Mall area?

He is buttering up the city with the MLS HQ at Eastland Mall.  When it comes time for a new stadium, its a whole lot better to show good faith that you are spending money in CLT and redeveloping a major issue for the city, even if it isn't NFL related.    The Eastland site isn't anywhere big enough for what they are planning (up to 1000 acres). 

[dylansukkert]

A little sneak peak of the bunker suites. 

[Madison Parkitect]

15 minutes ago, dylansukkert said:

A little sneak peak of the bunker suites. 

Love to pay a small fortune to watch the lower half of everyone's bodies play football 80 yards away.

[GSOstrong]

So I know I’m behind but are the panthers leaving Charlotte? Or are they only building a practice facility in SC?


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6 minutes ago, GSOstrong said:

So I know I’m behind but are the panthers leaving Charlotte? Or are they only building a practice facility in SC?


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Only a practice facility. Tepper would be committing suicide for the fanbase if he moved the stadium to SC

Edited April 24, 2020 by Guest

[GSOstrong]

Only a practice facility. Tepper would be committing suicide for the fanbase if he moved the stadium to SC

Lol that’s what I thought but someone just gave me some wrong information


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[videtur quam contuor]

Welcome GSO-glad to have you join the fray.

[Norm2]

4 hours ago, Madison Parkitect said:

Love to pay a small fortune to watch the lower half of everyone's bodies play football 80 yards away.

I definitely wouldn't be complaining about that view LOL

[videtur quam contuor]

I had Panthers psl seats there, row 8 and loved it for football. I could see openings in the line and then close. When a team was near my goal they were coming into my lap.(they talk dirty)  When the ball was beyond the other 20 yard line I was watching the big board. Sun was to my side so no trouble with glare. Perfectly mid-row so I never stood for anyone and they stood for me. Plus cheapest downstairs tix.

[DavieNative]

On 4/24/2020 at 12:53 PM, dylansukkert said:

A little sneak peak of the bunker suites. 

For what it's worth, bunker suites and an innovative roof such as the one that the dolphins installed in Miami could really give BoA a new lease on life. A final four is not worth a taxpayer funded multi billion dollar decepticon. 

[KJHburg]

with Charlotte Pipe and Foundry officially saying they are leaving Charlotte for Oakboro in Stanly County (see Ring Cities thread)  now the guessing game begins.  Will this be a new site for a stadium on CPF land or have things changed in the post pandemic world with the need for a new stadium?    with tourism tax revenues plunging this year and and they will be off for a while as travel slowly comes back what revenue streams would be available if any?  State of course has funding issues too at this point.  I believe the economy will be back but when  you lose this much revenue in a year it could hurt for years.  

[cltbwimob]

3 hours ago, KJHburg said:

with Charlotte Pipe and Foundry officially saying they are leaving Charlotte for Oakboro in Stanly County (see Ring Cities thread)  now the guessing game begins.  Will this be a new site for a stadium on CPF land or have things changed in the post pandemic world with the need for a new stadium?    with tourism tax revenues plunging this year and and they will be off for a while as travel slowly comes back what revenue streams would be available if any?  State of course has funding issues too at this point.  I believe the economy will be back but when  you lose this much revenue in a year it could hurt for years.  

I think that improvements to BofA could be considered because the ask is much more feasible within the framework of current tourism taxes, but a request for taxpayer funding for a new football stadium in the post-pandemic world should be met with a hearty laugh and a map showing Mr. Tepper to the nearest exit.

Edited May 6, 2020 by cltbwimob