Carolina Panthers Facilities

[Madison Parkitect]

Is the Panthers facility land on part of the Catawba reservation? I was under the impression casinos can only be on tribal reservation land. But I'd imagine if Tepper wants a casino and it's legally possible, the state would be willing to bend on it and it would be run by the Catawbas with a percentage of revenues going to both the state and the Panthers.

[atlrvr]

Rock Hill rezoning agenda with all info

Above should answer all questions.... there's a lot in there, but yes, one building up to 485' tall.  

[KJHburg]

this plan is VERY ambitious and what company from Charlotte would they steal to get to move to 400+ foot high tower?  Honestly I just don't see it happening.  Apartments, shops, mixed use, hotels some office space yes but a forest of high rises no. 

Look at the 91 acre Star District home of the Cowboys in suburban Frisco part of the almost 7 Million person Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex .   They don't even have what is proposed for this Rock Hill development.

https://thestardistrict.com/

https://thestardistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/StarDistrict.pdf

and Frisco is off the charts in average income too.  

in saying all of that above Mr Tepper can make a nice facility for training and a nice mixed used development.  

Edited November 12, 2019 by KJHburg

[rockhilljames]

IMO there is zero chance a tower is built here unless they get the casino is a component or in 20 years when rail is extended. The casino would be an almost impossible political battle, but it shows that Tepper is thinking big. To better familiarize you with the site here is a quick map I made. If I owned land across the interstate between the Panthers and the golf course I would be stoked!

 

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by rockhilljames

[t_money]

Seems a bit odd that the land isn't even connected directly...  Isn't the point that its a big complex where you can come and stay and not drive around all day from point to point.

[Madison Parkitect]

8 minutes ago, t_money said:

Seems a bit odd that the land isn't even connected directly...  Isn't the point that its a big complex where you can come and stay and not drive around all day from point to point.

To be clear, the Panthers don't own the large retail portion of that map, just the blue and green colored areas. The thought is probably that once the Panthers land gets developed, eventually all the undeveloped wooded areas between that and the retail land gets filled in too. Too big to walk the entire thing but it could feel like a really giant cohesive "district." The golf course land is separate enough to just be a cool amenity but not possibly walkable to the rest of it.

[InSouthPark]

17 minutes ago, t_money said:

Seems a bit odd that the land isn't even connected directly...  Isn't the point that its a big complex where you can come and stay and not drive around all day from point to point.

Its only 3m away (as the crow flies).   I am fairly certain anyone playing golf is driving to the clubhouse unless it is like 100yds away or less.   No one is going to blink at a 10min shuttle from the facility to the links.  And don't be surprised if he adds a hotel at the course if there is room as well. 

[KJHburg]

Mr Tepper's plans for his new facility in Rock Hill and it is lot more than just a practice facility and team offices  written by an UPer. 

https://theriotreport.com/tepper-making-his-biggest-investment-yet/

[Brendv7]

I appreciate the ambition, especially because it excites me for what may be in store for Charlotte, but I question whether it will all come together. The panthers are great and all, but who is buying a home or renting an apartment or staying in a hotel somewhere just because the panthers practice there?

[KJHburg]

Mr Tepper is living up to his promise to bring more concerts to the Bank.    Major concert announced today.

 

MAJOR CONCERT NEWS

He's got friends in low places -- For the first time in 22 years, country megastar

@garthbrooks

will be performing in Charlotte!

https://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/for-the-first-time-in-22-years-garth-brooks-to-play-bank-of-america-stadium-in-charlotte?utg

Edited November 26, 2019 by KJHburg

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Brendv7 said:

I appreciate the ambition, especially because it excites me for what may be in store for Charlotte, but I question whether it will all come together. The panthers are great and all, but who is buying a home or renting an apartment or staying in a hotel somewhere just because the panthers practice there?

I don't think that's what they are selling... They are trying to sell the premier area in Rock Hill for the buzz words "Live, Work, Play." Also there will be a large recreation and entertainment component. 

[InSouthPark]

2 hours ago, Brendv7 said:

I appreciate the ambition, especially because it excites me for what may be in store for Charlotte, but I question whether it will all come together. The panthers are great and all, but who is buying a home or renting an apartment or staying in a hotel somewhere just because the panthers practice there?

Rock Hill has a population of 73k.  It's not like they are putting this in Mineral Springs or something.   If they turn this into an entertainment area and you were a young professional, why wouldn't you want to rent an apartment there?  As for hotels, if you haven't noticed, pretty much every exit off of an interstate has multiple hotels no matter if there are attractions or not. 

[KJHburg]

I do think it can be a nice mixed use project but comparing this to the Dallas Cowbys' Star in Frisco might be a stretch.  Frisco has 188,000 plus people part of the 7 million population Dallas Ft Worth Metroplex and its incomes are very high $120K vs $44K in Rock Hill  according to the US Census.   I do like his ambitious plan but I see something more on the line of Waverly with all the Panthers facilities. 

and yes some people will want to live there to walk to the retail and restaurants.  

Edited November 26, 2019 by KJHburg

[TheOneRJ]

 

No one is moving to or visiting Rock Hill because the Panthers set up practice fields, Starbucks, and Hampton Inns. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, TheOneRJ said:

 

No one is moving to or visiting Rock Hill because the Panthers set up practice fields, Starbucks, and Hampton Inns. 

What about if there's a Casino, numerous corporate HQs, retail, restaurants, nightlife, a large public sports component, and a state of the art sports medicine complex by Atrium Health that'll employ 300?

Edited November 26, 2019 by Guest

[dylansukkert]

2 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Mr Tepper is living up to his promise to bring more concerts to the Bank.    Major concert announced today.

 

MAJOR CONCERT NEWS

He's got friends in low places -- For the first time in 22 years, country megastar

@garthbrooks

will be performing in Charlotte!

https://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/for-the-first-time-in-22-years-garth-brooks-to-play-bank-of-america-stadium-in-charlotte?utg

Already two huge concert announcements. If we can get 4-5 of these a year at BofA that would be awesome!  

[Cadi40]

1 hour ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

What about if there's a Casino, numerous corporate HQs, retail, restaurants, nightlife, a large public sports component, and a state of the art sports medicine complex by Atrium Health that'll employ 300?

My bags are packed just tell me when it’s open  

[Hushpuppy321]

1 hour ago, dylansukkert said:

Already two huge concert announcements. If we can get 4-5 of these a year at BofA that would be awesome!  

I 2nd that notion.  Would be really cool to have major concerts every year.  I plan to attend both the Billy Joel and Garth Brooks. I don’t understand why Jerry Richardson never did this? 

[kickazzz2000]

31 minutes ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

I 2nd that notion.  Would be really cool to have major concerts every year.  I plan to attend both the Billy Joel and Garth Brooks. I don’t understand why Jerry Richardson never did this? 

Because the NFL shield would get messed up 

[Hushpuppy321]

6 minutes ago, kickazzz2000 said:

Because the NFL shield would get messed up 

Dang - Guess he was too rich and too old to care.  I love the fact that Tepper is using his team, Stadium and resources to enrich the City entertainment and culture.  He’s very saavy and I’m sure these investments will pay off for him big time in the next 5 or 10 years

[InSouthPark]

21 minutes ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Dang - Guess he was too rich and too old to care.  I love the fact that Tepper is using his team, Stadium and resources to enrich the City entertainment and culture.  He’s very saavy and I’m sure these investments will pay off for him big time in the next 5 or 10 years

Richardson kept the team as power symbol but didn't do much else (besides being a creepy old man) and wanted to keep his wealth.  Tepper is a mega-billionaire in the phase of his life where he wants to spend some of those billions and have fun doing it (while building his long term wealth).  Tepper knows that if you want to make huge returns, you have to take chances and has the money to do it.  

Jerry had wealth, in that he held the ownership to a multi-billion dollar franchise, but don't tell me that Tepper doesn't make more in capital gains/interest/dividends a year than Jerry had in cash at any point in his life before selling the team.   If Tepper had a "boring" year at 5% return, that's 600m.   That's billionaire F-You money...something Jerry never had. 

[Hushpuppy321]

24 minutes ago, InSouthPark said:

Richardson kept the team as power symbol but didn't do much else (besides being a creepy old man) and wanted to keep his wealth.  Tepper is a mega-billionaire in the phase of his life where he wants to spend some of those billions and have fun doing it (while building his long term wealth).  Tepper knows that if you want to make huge returns, you have to take chances and has the money to do it.  

Jerry had wealth, in that he held the ownership to a multi-billion dollar franchise, but don't tell me that Tepper doesn't make more in capital gains/interest/dividends a year than Jerry had in cash at any point in his life before selling the team.   If Tepper had a "boring" year at 5% return, that's 600m.   That's billionaire F-You money...something Jerry never had. 

Thanks for the insight - I just hope Tepper uses some of that money towards the MLS HQ at Eastland because it’s looking dim for City Council to spend $113 Million from the Tourism Fund.  Could still happen but a lot of things (Convention Center, Discovery Place Museum, etc.) Are beginning to outstretch that Tax revenue.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Hushpuppy321

[InSouthPark]

4 minutes ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Thanks for the insight - I just hope Tepper uses some of that money towards the MLS HQ at Eastland because it’s looking dim for City Council to spend $113 Million from the Tourism Fund.  Could still happen but a lot of things (Convention Center, Discovery Place Museum, etc.) Are beginning to outstretch that Tax revenue.

I think most hope for an Eastland MLS solution and I would venture to say, so does City Council.  It's a win-win for both in terms of saving face. 

And if they turn him down...don't be surprised if he puts the MLS HQ on his land in Rock Hill as a big F-You to city council and they would have major egg on their face for turning down the first "real" development of Eastland this past decade.  Remember this is a guy who bought a 45mil mansion of an old boss that passed him over so he could tear it down and build a house 3x as big, just because he could.  

[Hushpuppy321]

1 minute ago, InSouthPark said:

I think most hope for an Eastland MLS solution and I would venture to say, so does City Council.  It's a win-win for both in terms of saving face. 

And if they turn him down...don't be surprised if he puts the MLS HQ on his land in Rock Hill as a big F-You to city council and they would have major egg on their face for turning down the first "real" development of Eastland this past decade.  Remember this is a guy who bought a 45mil mansion of an old boss that passed him over so he could tear it down and build a house 3x as big, just because he could.  

Damn - I never looked at it from that perspective.  I wonder if Eastland will also get TOD Zoning due to the Planned Gold Line to run out there eventually.

[Brendv7]

7 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

What about if there's a Casino, numerous corporate HQs, retail, restaurants, nightlife, a large public sports component, and a state of the art sports medicine complex by Atrium Health that'll employ 300?

I’m not a real estate expert, just a young professional asking questions.  As I said, I see the vision, I just doubt it comes together as you laid out. SC isn’t going to allow a casino. We are having a hard enough time getting quality restaurants and night life in Charlotte- BofA stadium is adjacent itself to a strip of abandoned storefronts that would be perfect for bars and nightlife- yet off some highway exit in SC is going to become a dining and nightlife attraction? If some company wants to locate to a suburban campus in SC, sure they may move to the area, but that is nothing new.