Station East (1,400 residential units, 600 hotel rooms, 1.2 million sq. ft. office, 225,000 sq. ft. retail; numerous 15-30 story towers on 18 acres)

[PruneTracy]

I realize me answering a question directed to @MidTenn1 is much like your server asking "Is Pepsi OK?"

The height of the JRP bridge as it crosses the CSX spur on the east bank is about 470 feet ASL. Ground level underneath the bridge is level at about 417 feet ASL.

Typically TDOT wants to see a max grade of 8% on this roadway type (multi-lane arterial). That means you need about 660 feet to run out the elevation difference, and we need to add about 240 feet for the vertical curves on each end. So 900 feet to get down to ground level, which puts you at about 100 feet east of what would be the intersection with First Street. So First Street would need to be raised slightly to make that connection.

Note also that although the ADA has an exception for sidewalks adjacent to roadways, to be ADA compliant the max grade would have to be 5% or less. This would make the distance needed to come down from bridge level about 1,250 feet, which is right about where Second Street is. This may be why the graphic @Bos2Nashposted mentions Second Street as a connection but not First.

[Luvemtall]

Much appreciated 

[Bos2Nash]

1 hour ago, PruneTracy said:

I realize me answering a question directed to @MidTenn1 is much like your server asking "Is Pepsi OK?"

The height of the JRP bridge as it crosses the CSX spur on the east bank is about 470 feet ASL. Ground level underneath the bridge is level at about 417 feet ASL.

Typically TDOT wants to see a max grade of 8% on this roadway type (multi-lane arterial). That means you need about 660 feet to run out the elevation difference, and we need to add about 240 feet for the vertical curves on each end. So 900 feet to get down to ground level, which puts you at about 100 feet east of what would be the intersection with First Street. So First Street would need to be raised slightly to make that connection.

Note also that although the ADA has an exception for sidewalks adjacent to roadways, to be ADA compliant the max grade would have to be 5% or less. This would make the distance needed to come down from bridge level about 1,250 feet, which is right about where Second Street is. This may be why the graphic @Bos2Nashposted mentions Second Street as a connection but not First.

Thanks for the breakdown. ADA was definitely something that came to mind for me. Woodland is not very friendly at all. If I recall a certain engineer on this board saying, I believe the Boulevard alignment will be 2nd Ave (which again changes the layout of Station East) and would make sense for the proposed rebuild outlined above.

[MLBrumby]

Just guessing, but it appears that ramp was made to high and long at leat in part to give clearance over 1st Street. 

[Baronakim]

18 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

Does anyone know exactly why that monstrosity ( JRP) was built like that, when Woodland wasn’t? Seems like it might not be to terrible a fix , as many are suggesting to just tear it down and approach the span similar to what Woodland does. MidTenn , can you give us some insight into this?

Yes.  The existing ramped grade for the Woodland Bridge dated from a Civil War era suspension bridge to Edgefield.  The streets at it's base did not exist then and the cross streets created afterward never did go through to Woodland because there was a large Nashville Casket Company building from the foot of the bridge to where Shoneys is now.  The elevated JRP was built behind that building  and the elevated JRP was built at that height only to cross from there over S. First Street which did exist  by then.   After the 1957 JRP was built, the Interstate completely scrambled the old street grids in the late 1960s and the current Interstate Drive was built.   Pretty much no one cared much about any of the east bank on either side of Woodland and JRP after everything was demolished between them.  All the maze of junk industrial and warehousing between Shelby and Jefferson was a rusting hulk and leveled to be replaced with the junk stuff subsequently replacing it...like the Drift Inn and PSC for instance, in the no man's land left before the stadium was built in the 90s.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Baronakim

[Luvemtall]

Thanks Baronakim, I figured there was some reasoning behind it. I really appreciate your help understanding the history of the city. 

[smeagolsfree]

The mess is the fact that Metro has still not funded the elephant in the room. The CSX factor is another question, the bridge design and process of JRP are all still unanswered at this point in the game. I realize they are working on this but again questions. Also, the State has yet to fully weighed in on what their plans are for Ellington/Spring and I-65 are going to be as that is part of the fix or lack thereof. That is going to take years! 

All I am saying is the infrastructure should have already started guys. You have three major projects, The Titans Stadium, Oracle, and RMR all basically ready to go with not one shovel being turned for Metros part. Preliminary permits are being applied for the Titans stadium; Demo permits have been finished for RMR; and Demo permits are being done for Oracle. That is not to mention all of the other projects announced on the East Bank. Is the infrastructure in place for those projects?

I am unsure what the timeline was supposed to be on the spine road or was to have been. Maybe Craig can put some clarity on that as well. We know the Juvenile Court facility is probably at three years away from moving too. So, the Spine Road will probably not even be starting till well after the Titans stadium is open or close to opening. What is the timeline of TPAC? Where is it going? When do they have to be out of their current facility?

 

Lots of questions need to be answered and lots of work needs to be done. 

[Luvemtall]

Yeah, you’re absolutely right. The infrastructure should already been started, it’s the glue that will hold this whole area together. Seems like Metro or whoever that’s responsible for organizing this shabang isn’t holding up to their promises and we will not see anything transpiring on the East Bank of any substantial building until this plays out. All those fancy renderings and studies don’t mean squat until Metro and TDOT step up to their responsibilities, and we all know as mentioned that can be in the next decade. So the likelihood of that shiny new stadium siting in no man’s land is pretty high right now 

[Bos2Nash]

Work does not equal Mess. Works equals time and patience.

The questions surrounding the EB has veered this thread's topic off course. What it boils down to is this.... The RMR Group is working with Metro on infrastructure surrounding their site. Something they would've had to to whether the EB Vision Plan was in place or not. Fortunately for them, the EB Vision Plan will ultimately benefit their proposal, so they are waiting until multiple pieces fall into place. 

People always complain about not having a cohesive plan to develop Nashville by. Now that we have a plan for a cohesive area of the city, people will complain that it isn't going fast enough. This stuff takes time. Even more so when we are talking adding a bunch of uses in an area that wasn't ever planned for those uses until last year.

[Luvemtall]

Bos2Nash , you make a good point. And although most of us understand this process and the associated time, some of us would like to see SOMETHING transpire within this vision… but unfortunately time isn’t on our side! 

[markhollin]

CityNowNext has a long feature and Q&A with leadership of StationEast.  Includes some updated renderings.

https://citynownext.com/2023/12/18/qa-why-this-developer-remains-bullish-on-east-bank-nashville/

 

[nashville born]

The Q&A with the VP from RMR was very uplifting and promising.

[markhollin]

Some equipment on site.

Looking NW from 6th floor of Drift Hotel:

Looking NW from intersection North 2nd St. and Howerton Ave:

[smeagolsfree]

Looks like they are going to be digging up the fuel tanks. There will be some remediation needed at the site because of all of the fuel  pumping and trucks that were there.