Charlotte area population statistics

[kayman]

2 hours ago, DownEast said:

Don't forget 1904 in St. Louis. 

Oh how forgettable that one was!  Thank you for that reminder! (Great) St.  Louis has only grown at a moderate rate since the early 20th century.

Edited July 1, 2023 by kayman

[videtur quam contuor]

That 1904 Olympic games was a wild affair and the marathon event the wildest of the entire motley aggregation. No city was ready to step forward as host of the Games so St Louis with the World's Fair celebrating the Lewis and Clark opening of the West centennial decided to add the Games as a cheap addition to their tourist draw. Planning? Not so much. Sport administration? Never heard of it. Event supervision? (fingers in ears: YadddaYadda I cannot hear you.)

[Rufus]

3 hours ago, videtur quam contuor said:

That 1904 Olympic games was a wild affair and the marathon event the wildest of the entire motley aggregation. No city was ready to step forward as host of the Games so St Louis with the World's Fair celebrating the Lewis and Clark opening of the West centennial decided to add the Games as a cheap addition to their tourist draw. Planning? Not so much. Sport administration? Never heard of it. Event supervision? (fingers in ears: YadddaYadda I cannot hear you.)

Sorry...Olympic history buff here...Chicago actually won the bid for the Games, but the Exposition in St. Louis demanded it be removed from the city because it would've taken away from the St. Louis Exposition. So they moved it to STL. At that time, the Exposition was the bigger deal in the world. 

[KJHburg]

read this about metro Atlanta 25 years when it just crested 3 Million in population just slightly bigger then than we are today in the metro Charlotte area.

https://atlanta.urbanize.city/post/census-atl-growth-population-how-much-more

[Take2]

13 hours ago, KJHburg said:

read this about metro Atlanta 25 years when it just crested 3 Million in population just slightly bigger then than we are today in the metro Charlotte area.

https://atlanta.urbanize.city/post/census-atl-growth-population-how-much-more

The article missed the bigger thing which is that Charlotte should DEFINITELY be good to land an MLB team in 2050.... "-]

[KJHburg]

from an  article in  the Chatham Record and from the NC Demography office at UNC Chapel Hill

Chapel Hill, NC - The majority of North Carolina’s growth over the past few decades has been from net migration, meaning more people moved here than moved away. We last looked at migration to North Carolina in June 2021, and wanted to see how things have changed over the past year.

Where are our new residents moving from?
Nearly 366,000 individuals moved to North Carolina in 2021, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey (ACS). Most of those individuals – 324,500 or 89% of all in-migrants – moved to North Carolina from another state. (Note: this also includes 960 in-migrants from Puerto Rico.) Top states were:

Florida (36K)
New York (33K)
Virginia (30K)
South Carolina (23K)
California (23K)
According to the estimates, no one moved to North Carolina from Nebraska in 2021 (We should say: it is likely that someone moved, but because the number is quite small across the state, they were not captured in the American Community Survey’s sample).

Map: Carolina Demography  Source: 2021 American Community Survey, IPUMS-USA  Get the data  Created with Datawrapper
What countries do people move to North Carolina from?
The remaining 41,500 or 11% of in-migrants to North Carolina in 2019 moved here from another country. Relative to years past, foreign immigration has taken a slight downturn.  This trend is likely due to residual limits on foreign migration in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.  Top countries for 2021 were:

Mexico (7.0K)
Honduras (2.4K)
India (2.0K)
South Korea (1.9K)
China (1.3K)
Many of the individuals moving here from other states and countries are NC-born individuals moving back to the state. About one in every six migrants to North Carolina in 2021—60,900 individuals—was born in North Carolina.

Who is returning to NC?
Among the top-sending states, in-migrants from neighboring South Carolina were the most likely to be NC-born (24%) while in-migrants from New York (6%) were the least likely to be NC-born. Among the top-sending countries in 2019, in-migrants from Mexico (25%) and South Korea (24%) were the most likely to be NC-born. In-migrants from Honduras (4%) and India (3%) were the least likely to be NC-born.

Source: American Community Survey, IPUMS-USA

Carolina Demography is an applied demography group located at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

 

[go_vertical]

With insurers pulling out of Florida I wouldn't be surprised to see the number of people from there to here accelerate.  I think the shine of the sunshine state is going to start to dull in the coming years (I actually feel like that has already begun for many), and with our long coastline and selection of large and increasingly cosmopolitan cities NC is a solid alternative.  

[abttown]

It's somewhat surprising to see West Virginia as a low contributor to the in-migration number. We still see quite a few W. Virginia license plates in the area, however, those sightings are typically on interstate 77, which makes sense if they're just passing through. Could also be attributed to WV's already low population which just can't compete with the likes of Florida or New York. There used to be an old saying that went along the lines of "you see so many folks from West Virginia because this is how far a tank of gas will get them." I mean no offense to any WV natives, it's a beautiful state. 

[davidclt]

6 minutes ago, abttown said:

It's somewhat surprising to see West Virginia as a low contributor to the in-migration number. We still see quite a few W. Virginia license plates in the area, however, those sightings are typically on interstate 77, which makes sense if they're just passing through. Could also be attributed to WV's already low population which just can't compete with the likes of Florida or New York. There used to be an old saying that went along the lines of "you see so many folks from West Virginia because this is how far a tank of gas will get them." I mean no offense to any WV natives, it's a beautiful state. 

The great migration from West Virginia was in the early 90s. The joke was, this was as far as you could get on a tank of gas from West Va.

West Virginia is Wild and Wonderful . . . but is anyone left?

Edited July 17, 2023 by davidclt
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[videtur quam contuor]

When I was a boy we went on a family car trip through the plains and the west, destination Yellowstone Park, and saw damn near everything.  Weeks it was. I was 9, I think, and could soak up every detail. As an example we stopped in Mitchell South Dakota, among the dozens of stops, to visit the Corn Palace. Prior to the Interstate system. I hope you can believe there was such a time. South Dakota at that time proudly advertised it was The Sunshine State. I remember it well.

https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/from-sunshine-state-to-mount-rushmore-state/

https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/mitchell/entertainment/day-tours/worlds-only-corn-palace

edit: typo

Edited July 18, 2023 by videtur quam contuor

[kermit]

Says to me that the only way to make traffic less bad is to densify (not widen roads). I am looking at you Mallard Creek NIMBYs (and the council that enables them)

 

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by kermit

[videtur quam contuor]

I moved to Charlotte at the last period mentioned on that figure above and can testify that the distance between the outlying communities was vast and empty. Pineville-Matthews Road was a long stretch of two lane with farms on either side. It was YEARS before I entered Pineville proper. Too far. Davidson was a rumor. Mint Hill the same. L-o-o-o-ong time families populated a few of these municipalities. 1,000-2,000 people but a few family names widely represented. 

If going on Lake Norman for the day there was a store and diner on N US 21 that was your last chance without backtracking to the towns of North Mecklenburg. A lake weekend was a real outing. Many alive today can tell you about that time.

[15895]

1 hour ago, videtur quam contuor said:

I moved to Charlotte at the last period mentioned on that figure above and can testify that the distance between the outlying communities was vast and empty. Pineville-Matthews Road was a long stretch of two lane with farms on either side. It was YEARS before I entered Pineville proper. Too far. Davidson was a rumor. Mint Hill the same. L-o-o-o-ong time families populated a few of these municipalities. 1,000-2,000 people but a few family names widely represented. 

If going on Lake Norman for the day there was a store and diner on N US 21 that was your last chance without backtracking to the towns of North Mecklenburg. A lake weekend was a real outing. Many alive today can tell you about that time.

I met a few people who were or knew of folks that lived in lake Norman even prior to the dam and to this day their families still have a ton of money from selling out to developers. But they always talked about how it was like one stop light up there and hardly anything else. 

[davidclt]

Saw this today about the Impact of Immigration on Public Schools (this was the best fit I could find for this):

Mapping the Impact of Immigration on Public Schools (cis.org)

[Hushpuppy321]

Anyone have a new estimation on when Charlotte City Limits will surpass 1 Million in population based upon the latest year over year increase?  I think Charlotte, Jacksonville and Columbus will all do it very close to one another (All within next 3 years)

Edited July 21, 2023 by Hushpuppy321

[CLT2014]

10 hours ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Anyone have a new estimation on when Charlotte City Limits will surpass 1 Million in population based upon the latest year over year increase?  I think Charlotte, Jacksonville and Columbus will all do it very close to one another (All within next 3 years)

At a 1.7% growth rate (the 2021 - 2022 YoY change), the city limits would surpass 1 million in 7 years. 

Charlotte is on track to overtake Columbus in 1 - 2 years, but Jacksonville is also growing pretty fast and has a larger base population by about 74,000 people so Charlotte would need to accelerate growth to overtake Jacksonville (but CLT is slowly closing the gap and JAX will only be about 65,000 people larger by the end of the decade). 

Edited July 21, 2023 by CLT2014

[Temeteron]

1 hour ago, CLT2014 said:

At a 1.7% growth rate (the 2021 - 2022 YoY change), the city limits would surpass 1 million in 7 years. 

Charlotte is on track to overtake Columbus in 1 - 2 years, but Jacksonville is also growing pretty fast and has a larger base population by about 74,000 people so Charlotte would need to accelerate growth to overtake Jacksonville (but CLT is slowly closing the gap and JAX will only be about 65,000 people larger by the end of the decade). 

It’s a waste of time to even compare with JAX as that city is a combined city-county population which isn’t a fair comparison.  

[ABCW]

City population is pretty much meaningless in general. If going by city proper Charlotte is larger than Miami, Atlanta, and San Fransisco. 

[CLT2014]

10 minutes ago, ABCW said:

City population is pretty much meaningless in general. If going by city proper Charlotte is larger than Miami, Atlanta, and San Fransisco. 

100% agree. City population just determines how many people live under a certain city council and mayor. Metro and CSA population is how large a region's culture, economy, et. influences the nation and world. All reasons Miami, Atlanta, San Francisco, et... are objectively more important places than Charlotte, Jacksonville, and Columbus as people think of city's based on their region, not just their specific city limits for the purposes of municipal services / governing at the local level.  

Edited July 21, 2023 by CLT2014

[KJHburg]

Not Charlotte metro related but discussed here alot about MSA designations this from Wilmington:  From Wilmington Biz just announced this afternoon:

After a decade, Brunswick County has finally been moved back into the Wilmington Metropolitan Statistical Area. 

The federally defined economic areas help researchers and businesses make conclusions and decisions about patterns in urban hubs. Brunswick County’s exclusion from the Wilmington MSA has long been a point of contention for local officials, who have argued the 2013 realignment translated to missed opportunities for the area. 

The Office of Management and Budget announced the new MSA delineations Friday, with Wilmington’s to include New Hanover, Pender and Brunswick counties. 

Brunswick County spent the past decade in the Myrtle Beach-Conway-North Myrtle Beach, S.C. MSA. 

Of the Brunswick County residents participating in the workforce, about 27% travel to New Hanover County for work, and 3% drive to Horry County, South Carolina, according to a 2021 Cape Fear Collective analysis.

Brunswick County's removal “had an adverse effect” on the city’s economic development opportunities, Wilmington Mayor Bill Saffo said during a legislative breakfast in February. “This is something extremely critical.”

Tyler Newman, president and CEO of Business Alliance for a Sound Economy (BASE), has advocated for the change for years. 

"It’s extremely exciting news—and something we have been working hard to make right since 2013," he wrote in an email Friday. "Having been in the room in DC in 2013 when we were told there’s no appeal process and to come back in 10 years, it is gratifying.

"It’s a big deal for the region and the entire state of North Carolina that we are no longer statistically ceding one of the fastest growing counties to South Carolina. From economic development and investment to Medicare reimbursement, this is a big deal. Thanks to UNCW and Cape Fear Collective for helping us gather data show how our growth and commuting patterns clearly tie Brunswick County to Wilmington, New Hanover and Pender. Most importantly, thanks to Sen Budd, Sen Burr, Sen Tillis and Congressman Rouzer and their staffs for continuing to highlight the importance of this issue at every opportunity," Newman said.

[CLT2014]

^Big win for NC and Wilmington w/ Brunswick. 

The Hickory MSA is officially now in the Charlotte Combined Statistical Area, pushing the consolidated region all the way out to Burke County in the mountain foothills. The CSA population for Charlotte should easily be close to 3.2 million now.

No changes to the Charlotte MSA definitions. 

Wake and Durham remain separate metros this go around. 

Edited July 21, 2023 by CLT2014

[QCxpat]

On 7/21/2023 at 6:10 PM, CLT2014 said:

^Big win for NC and Wilmington w/ Brunswick. 

The Hickory MSA is officially now in the Charlotte Combined Statistical Area, pushing the consolidated region all the way out to Burke County in the mountain foothills. The CSA population for Charlotte should easily be close to 3.2 million now.

No changes to the Charlotte MSA definitions. 

Wake and Durham remain separate metros this go around. 

As noted above, today OMB released revised MSA and CSA delineations.  The Charlotte-Concord CSA was enlarged to include the Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton NC MSA and the Marion NC Micropolitan Statistical Area.

In accordance with the 7/21/2023 revised delineations, the Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA now consists of the following geographic components: 

1.  Albemarle, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area,
2. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC Metropolitan Statistical Area,
3. Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area,
4. Marion, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area, and
5. Shelby-Kings Mountain, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area.  See OMB Bulletin 23-01 dated 7/21/2023 at p. 130 (link below)

The Albemarle NC MicroSA (#1 above) had a pop. of 64,153 as of 7/1/2022.

The Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia NC-SC MSA (#2 above) had a pop. of 2,756,069 as of 7/1/2022. 

The Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton NC MSA (#3 above) had a pop. of 368,347 as of 7/1/2022.  

The Marion NC MicroSA (#4 above) had a pop. of 44,753 as of 7/1/2022.

The Shelby-Kings Mountain NC MicroSA (#5 above) had a pop. of 100,670 as of 7/1/2022.

Totaling #1 - #5 above,  the population of the newly enlarged Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA was 3,333,992 as of 7/1/2022.

The Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA also moved up 2 rank order spots to become the 19th largest CSA, surpassing both the St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA (2,914,230) and the Portland-Vancouver-Salem OR-WA CSA (3,285,859).

Fun fact:  Tampa-St. Petersburg, FL and San Diego, CA are the 2 largest MSAs that are not officially part of any CSA.  As of 7/1/2022, the population of the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA was 3,290,730; and the population of the San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA MSA was 3,276,208.   Although MSAs and CSAs are not directly comparable**, it's interesting to note that Charlotte's newly expanded CSA, with a population of 3,333,992, is larger than either the Tampa-St. Petersburg MSA or the San Diego MSA.  (**Note:  The intercounty commuter threshold ("employment interchange") for an MSA is 25%, while the intercounty commuter threshold for a CSA is 15%).

Links:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/OMB-Bulletin-23-01.pdf

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-counties-total.html

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-total-metro-and-micro-statistical-areas.html

Edited July 23, 2023 by QCxpat

[Richhamleigh, DC]

13 hours ago, ABCW said:

City population is pretty much meaningless in general. If going by city proper Charlotte is larger than Miami, Atlanta, and San Fransisco. 

yes?  I would prefer to have a core city that is a bigger percentage of the metro population then vice versa.  It's a sign of Sprawl, which, to honest, the Charlotte region in NC is doing an honorable (but unacknowledged) job of trying to control.  The Atlanta, GA metro has 6 million people spread out over an area the size of Connecticut.  Is that really good or admirable when the core city is tiny by comparison.

13 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

100% agree. City population just determines how many people live under a certain city council and mayor. Metro and CSA population is how large a region's culture, economy, et. influences the nation and world. All reasons Miami, Atlanta, San Francisco, et... are objectively more important places than Charlotte, Jacksonville, and Columbus as people think of city's based on their region, not just their specific city limits for the purposes of municipal services / governing at the local level.  

Arguably if you took the land area of an Atlanta and overlaid it on Charlotte, Charlotte would be nearly as large.  Frankly, at the end of the day, North Carolina is arguably the second or third most economically dynamic states in the country.  Definitely ahead of Georgia.

[Richhamleigh, DC]

5 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Not Charlotte metro related but discussed here alot about MSA designations this from Wilmington:  From Wilmington Biz just announced this afternoon:

After a decade, Brunswick County has finally been moved back into the Wilmington Metropolitan Statistical Area. 

The federally defined economic areas help researchers and businesses make conclusions and decisions about patterns in urban hubs. Brunswick County’s exclusion from the Wilmington MSA has long been a point of contention for local officials, who have argued the 2013 realignment translated to missed opportunities for the area. 

The Office of Management and Budget announced the new MSA delineations Friday, with Wilmington’s to include New Hanover, Pender and Brunswick counties. 

Brunswick County spent the past decade in the Myrtle Beach-Conway-North Myrtle Beach, S.C. MSA. 

Of the Brunswick County residents participating in the workforce, about 27% travel to New Hanover County for work, and 3% drive to Horry County, South Carolina, according to a 2021 Cape Fear Collective analysis.

Brunswick County's removal “had an adverse effect” on the city’s economic development opportunities, Wilmington Mayor Bill Saffo said during a legislative breakfast in February. “This is something extremely critical.”

Tyler Newman, president and CEO of Business Alliance for a Sound Economy (BASE), has advocated for the change for years. 

"It’s extremely exciting news—and something we have been working hard to make right since 2013," he wrote in an email Friday. "Having been in the room in DC in 2013 when we were told there’s no appeal process and to come back in 10 years, it is gratifying.

"It’s a big deal for the region and the entire state of North Carolina that we are no longer statistically ceding one of the fastest growing counties to South Carolina. From economic development and investment to Medicare reimbursement, this is a big deal. Thanks to UNCW and Cape Fear Collective for helping us gather data show how our growth and commuting patterns clearly tie Brunswick County to Wilmington, New Hanover and Pender. Most importantly, thanks to Sen Budd, Sen Burr, Sen Tillis and Congressman Rouzer and their staffs for continuing to highlight the importance of this issue at every opportunity," Newman said.

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!!  It was a crime that Brunswick was taken out of the Wilmington MSA.  Total BS.  Frankly -- Wilmington and MB MSA will eventually become a CMSA probably sooner rather than later.  MB as a core city is tiny (30K) compared to Wilmington (100K) -- it was an insult to NC when they move Brunswick to the MB MSA.  THANK YOU KJH for posting this.  

3 hours ago, QCxpat said:

As noted above, today OMB released revised MSA and CSA delineations.  The Charlotte-Concord CSA was enlarged to include the Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton NC MSA and the Marion NC Micropolitan Statistical Area.

In accordance with the 7/21/2023 revised delineations, the Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA now consists of the: 

1.  Albemarle, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area,
2. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC Metropolitan Statistical Area,
3. Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area,
4. Marion, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area, and
5. Shelby-Kings Mountain, NC Micropolitan Statistical Area.   See OMB Bulletin 23-01 dated 7/21/2023 at p. 130 (link below)

The Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA (previously defined as #1, #2, and #5 above) had a population of 2,920,892 as of 7/1/2022. 

The Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton NC MSA (a/k/a "The Unifour," #3 above) had a population of 368,347 as of 7/1/2022.  

The Marion NC MicroSA (#4 above) had a population of 44,753 as of 7/1/2022.

As of 7/1/2022, the population of the Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA was 3,333,992.

The Charlotte-Concord NC-SC CSA also moved up 2 rank order spots to become the 19th largest CSA, surpassing both the St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA (2,914,230) and the Portland-Vancouver-Salem OR-WA CSA (3,285,859).

Although MSAs and CSAs are not directly comparable, it's interesting to note that Charlotte's newly enlarged CSA, with a population of 3,333,992, is larger than either the Tampa-St. Petersburg MSA or the San Diego MSA.  San Diego, CA and Tampa-St. Petersburg, FL are the 2 largest MSAs that are not officially part of any CSA.  As of 7/1/2022, the population of the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA was 3,290,730; and the population of the San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA MSA was 3,276,208.

Links:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/OMB-Bulletin-23-01.pdf

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-counties-total.html

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-total-metro-and-micro-statistical-areas.html

And....the largest CSA and TV market without MLB.

[DCMetroRaleigh]

5 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

^Big win for NC and Wilmington w/ Brunswick. 

The Hickory MSA is officially now in the Charlotte Combined Statistical Area, pushing the consolidated region all the way out to Burke County in the mountain foothills. The CSA population for Charlotte should easily be close to 3.2 million now.

No changes to the Charlotte MSA definitions. 

Wake and Durham remain separate metros this go around. 

How about Winston and Greensboro?