Davidson West: Bellevue, Bordeaux, Green Hills, MetroCenter, Nations, N Nashville

[PruneTracy]

Someone was on the former Mapco site at 4314 Harding Pike doing geotechnical exploration this morning.

Last I heard these parcels were supposed to be developed together (although they are owned separately) along with the former Picnic Cafe building (which is to be demolished).

[GreenHillsBoy]

11 hours ago, GregH said:

I think the home is Harding Place, not pike.

 

Yes , all of that property is owned by St. Thomas and plans are coming soon as I understand from a senior manager there.  Whether its more medical offices or a mix of that and residential, they will further enhance the area along Richland Creek and the railroad tracks behind.  Intend to tie that area into the Richland Creek Greenway which will also be part of the development going in where Belle Meade Plaza is today.....it will really make that Greenway significantly larger especially running along a very scenic creek. 

 

[markhollin]

Aegis Sciences Corp. has re-listed for sale a MetroCenter property that four years ago was slated to have been sold to a development company.

The 3.18-acre property — located at 100 Athens Way, and across the street from apartment complex Knox at MetroCenter — most recently served as surface parking and is zoned to accommodate a mixed-use building. No asking price has been given.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/metrocenter-property-re-listed-for-sale/article_e075b170-ebb5-11ee-b20a-5b32b85b9fe0.html

[markhollin]

It's now official: the Taco Bell and office structures at 4300 and 4306 Harding Pike, respectively, are going to be demo'd to be part of the larger multi-building H.G. Hill development to the north that will be a partnership with Ascension Saint Thomas Hospital. The project will be mixed-sue, but specifics have not been released as of yet. See several posts at the top of this page for more info. 

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2024/03/27/hg-hill-ascension-saint-thomas-harding-taco-bell.html
 

[go_outside]

6 minutes ago, markhollin said:

It's now official: the Taco Bell and office structures at 4300 and 4306 Harding Pike, respectively, are going to be demo'd to be part of the larger multi-building H.G. Hill development to the north that will be a partnership with Ascension Saint Thomas Hospital. The project will be mixed-sue, but specifics have not been released as of yet. See several posts at the top of this page for more info. 

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2024/03/27/hg-hill-ascension-saint-thomas-harding-taco-bell.html
 

I didn't grab a picture, but the demo is already happening. The Taco Bell was a pile of scrap as of noon today.

[andywildman]

Darn, I was already firing up my "Save the historic 'Belle Meade - ish' Taco Bell" petition.

[PruneTracy]

1 hour ago, andywildman said:

Darn, I was already firing up my "Save the historic 'Belle Meade - ish' Taco Bell" petition.

Once they dropped the Pizza Hut co-branding it wasn't worth saving.

[MidTenn1]

Actually, I am going to miss the Taco Bell because their food tasted better than what the hospital had in the cafeteria.

[smeagolsfree]

That's not saying a lot.

[markhollin]

Something is underway at 411 West Trinity Lane:

This screen shote from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in brown: 

[markhollin]

847 West Trinity (3 & 4 story townhomes, 111 units) update: several structures topped out already.

Looking north from West Trinity Lane, 1/4 block west of Homestead River Way:

Looking NE from West Trinity Lane, 1/3 block west of Homestead River Way:

[smeagolsfree]

22 hours ago, markhollin said:

Something is underway at 411 West Trinity Lane:

This screen shote from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in brown: 

683a9749-54a7-403e-ab04-0fb393d67586_CA-Permits-20171101_18652337_1 (nashville.gov)

 

Looks to be 108 units, multi family. These projects along Trinity are a dime a dozen now.

[markhollin]

Hilltop Estates (3 & 4 stories, 193 combined apartments and townhomes) update: tree removal and grading nearly complete.

Looking north from West Trinity Lane, just west of Alice St:

Looking SW from Old Buena Visa Rd., 1/2 block north of West Trinity Lane:

Looking NW from Old Buena Visa Rd., 1/2 block north of West Trinity Lane:

[markhollin]

The 37 acre Silo Band development is seeing some updates from Southeast Ventures:

- Zone 1 will have 3 structures that will now be 5 stories apiece (previously proposed at 3) with an increase in residential units to 320 from 192. 

- Zone 5 will be a series of 13 one and two story office/commercial buildings 

More at CityNowNext here:

https://citynownext.com/2024/04/01/multi-phase-nations-project-to-increase-residential-density-in-nashville/#more-39874

Silo Bend overall diagram:

Silo Bend Zone 1 location:

Silo Bend Zone 1 diagram/render:





Silo Bend Zone 5 diagram:

Silo Bend Zone 5 renders:

Diagram on how Silo Bend interacts with Modera Nations (on the right):

[markhollin]

1201 Brick Church Pike (3 stories,  14 units) Phase II. update: nearly complete.

Looking NE from Brick Church Pike, 1/4 block south of Fern Ave:

Looking SE from intersection of Brick Church Pike and Fern Ave:

[Baronakim]

53 minutes ago, markhollin said:

1201 Brick Church Pike (3 stories,  14 units) Phase II. update: nearly complete.

Looking NE from Brick Church Pike, 1/4 block south of Fern Ave:

 

Having no landing at the front door of such a convoluted stair would make me drop considering living in this turkey a definite NO!

 

[smeagolsfree]

52 minutes ago, Baronakim said:

Having no landing at the front door of such a convoluted stair would make me drop considering living in this turkey a definite NO!

 

Coming home from a night of drinking makes it hard to get in but easy to get out if you are leaving. It would just be a painful drop. This will be bad if there is an ice storm too. How about groceries or just freaking moving into the place. These developers and architects are just not putting any thought into these homes anymore. Just throwing pieces of crap up. You will get more of this if the NEST bill passes. Cheap ass homes with no character using Hardie board and concrete. The developers will do just as the developers have done in the past, the same old crap. This is worthless garbage!

[samsonh]

9 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Coming home from a night of drinking makes it hard to get in but easy to get out if you are leaving. It would just be a painful drop. This will be bad if there is an ice storm too. How about groceries or just freaking moving into the place. These developers and architects are just not putting any thought into these homes anymore. Just throwing pieces of crap up. You will get more of this if the NEST bill passes. Cheap ass homes with no character using Hardie board and concrete. The developers will do just as the developers have done in the past, the same old crap. This is worthless garbage!

Smeagols, design and building standards don’t change under NEST. Surely you know this. What homes in town have character in your opinion?

 

PS, the Nations Neighborhood association just voted to support zoning changes CM Horton put forth for our neighborhood. Planning will study this zoning change to allow more density and diverse housing in the Nations. The rest of Nashville can be anti housing options, but I am glad my neighborhood is pushing forward.

 

[smeagolsfree]

IMO most all of the homes in the Nations were built cheaply. None of the new homes in the Nations have character IMO. The entire neighborhood now lacks any kind of character and is generic in nature. Most all of the homes look the same with less-than-ideal materials. Metro missed the mark when no overlays were put in place. Metro also missed the mark when they just did not bite the bullet and put sidewalks and storm sewers in. Hap hazard setbacks on Metro behalf as well as well as homes built too close together.

So, like everything else Metro will not oversee the things the way they should and let developers get away with crap they should not get away with. I have a problem with the bill as it was written by developers and not by professional planners. It is a money grab. It will not reduce the price of homes either. The homes in the areas that are targeted will be listing for the market price of what homes are selling for in those areas now and will continue to increase based on the market. They will not go down in price due to those areas. 

The Nations is already changed IMO, so they do not have anything to lose. there is nothing more they can do there.

Many of the older homes have character otherwise homes in East Nashville, 12 South would not be selling. Some of the areas have homes that are a little newer that are all brick that have just as much character and are just as appealing if not more so than the home in some of these other areas and those folks do not want their neighborhoods to change. I can understand that! I live in a new subdivision, however if they changed the rules that allowed duplexes and more in my neighborhood I would be pissed. I bought in a neighborhood that allows only SFH and that is why I am here. Don't change the rules on me after I have lived here for 25 years. That is what a lot of folks want. I still think there will be so much public backlash on this bill when the public meeting start back up next year, it will be DOA. It will end some of the Councilmember careers if they vote for it.

 

[Baronakim]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

Coming home from a night of drinking makes it hard to get in but easy to get out if you are leaving. It would just be a painful drop. This will be bad if there is an ice storm too. How about groceries or just freaking moving into the place. These developers and architects are just not putting any thought into these homes anymore. Just throwing pieces of crap up. You will get more of this if the NEST bill passes. Cheap ass homes with no character using Hardie board and concrete. The developers will do just as the developers have done in the past, the same old crap. This is worthless garbage!

Architects????  You dignify these folks who are mostly third rateCAD-jockeys!  Crap like this comes from inhouse staff.  Few respectable architctural firms would touch such work.

Edited April 2 by Baronakim

[Luvemtall]

4 hours ago, samsonh said:

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, samsonh said:

PS, the Nations Neighborhood association just voted to support zoning changes CM Horton put forth for our neighborhood. Planning will study this zoning change to allow more density and diverse housing in the Nations. The rest of Nashville can be anti housing options, but I am glad my neighborhood is pushing forward

I like this attitude! , finally people who realize that a city isn’t made up of just SFH . It takes all kinds and price points, of course there’s always going to be naysayers or nimby’s who don’t like or want the old Nashville to change. But Nashville isn’t Spring Hill or Franklin nor is it going to stay as it was in the past, we need attitudes like your neighbors in the Nations obviously have. Welcoming to ALL residents and forms of housing opportunities, as a investor who deals with transforming the housing market here In Davidson, it’s a good feeling to have people that seem to understand that we can build a better diversity of homes and communities if we can just get the right attitude. 

[samsonh]

4 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

IMO most all of the homes in the Nations were built cheaply. None of the new homes in the Nations have character IMO. The entire neighborhood now lacks any kind of character and is generic in nature. Most all of the homes look the same with less-than-ideal materials. Metro missed the mark when no overlays were put in place. Metro also missed the mark when they just did not bite the bullet and put sidewalks and storm sewers in. Hap hazard setbacks on Metro behalf as well as well as homes built too close together.

So, like everything else Metro will not oversee the things the way they should and let developers get away with crap they should not get away with. I have a problem with the bill as it was written by developers and not by professional planners. It is a money grab. It will not reduce the price of homes either. The homes in the areas that are targeted will be listing for the market price of what homes are selling for in those areas now and will continue to increase based on the market. They will not go down in price due to those areas. 

The Nations is already changed IMO, so they do not have anything to lose. there is nothing more they can do there.

Many of the older homes have character otherwise homes in East Nashville, 12 South would not be selling. Some of the areas have homes that are a little newer that are all brick that have just as much character and are just as appealing if not more so than the home in some of these other areas and those folks do not want their neighborhoods to change. I can understand that! I live in a new subdivision, however if they changed the rules that allowed duplexes and more in my neighborhood I would be pissed. I bought in a neighborhood that allows only SFH and that is why I am here. Don't change the rules on me after I have lived here for 25 years. That is what a lot of folks want. I still think there will be so much public backlash on this bill when the public meeting start back up next year, it will be DOA. It will end some of the Councilmember careers if they vote for it.

 

You think the homes are built poorly. You think the homes are too close together. You do not like the materials. But clearly lots of people think otherwise. Planning is reviewing the bills now, and they will certainly recommend changes. I hope that once those changes are incorporated your tune changes.

Density in neighborhoods like the Nations subsidizes suburban developments throughout the county. Attached are two examples of homes in the Nations, one is one of the nicer older homes in the neighborhood, and one is a relatively new construction project.  The new construction pays roughly twice the property taxes of the older home, it also provides one additional home close to downtown(3 or so miles). 

 

No one is saying the price of housing will drop dramatically. The idea is to forestall dramatic price increases like we have seen of late. Supply of housing is the only thing that can do this.  There is literally no argument against this. 

 

Yes older homes in the most expensive neighborhoods in town are nice!  Redfin has 21 homes are sale in 12South.  Cheapest being a 759 sq ft condo for 400k. There are currently 2 homes for sale under a million that are not tear downs.  This does not seem sustainable for the rest of the city!  I doubt many on this board are in that housing market. I think we should build nice neighborhoods for people that cannot spend $1 million on their residence.

 

I am eager to hear your next objection. Initially it was too many Airbnb's in the Nations, although I think you have since realized there are very few actually. Then it was design standards and build quality, although NEST wouldn't change that at all. Now it is the old fallback, neighborhood character.  And once Planning recommends changes to the bills we can have the objection that developer wrote the bill instead of professionals out of the way.

Which is better?

Edited April 2 by samsonh

[BnaBreaker]

It's kind of wild to me that this is even considered by some to be 'high density' or anywhere even approaching it.

Edited April 2 by BnaBreaker

[Luvemtall]

Yeah right! In the Northeast that’s considered suburbia

[andywildman]

6 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I live in a new subdivision, however if they changed the rules that allowed duplexes and more in my neighborhood I would be pissed. I bought in a neighborhood that allows only SFH and that is why I am here. Don't change the rules on me after I have lived here for 25 years. That is what a lot of folks want.

I think this sentiment is the crux of the housing cost issue in hot cities like Nashville. Developers building cool new buildings is fine in downtowns and on corridors (and encouraged on a site like this!), but new and bigger buildings are verboten anywhere there are already single family homes. It's like an unspoken contract.

This country has built that expectation in all of us since the FHA started building suburbia in the 1940s, and the voting power of the homeowner-class is larger than that of the renter-class in most cities, so politicians have little incentive to change the status quo, even as neighborhoods get pricier and pricier (lucky for me as a homeowner; lousy for the Gen Z 20-somethings I work with who can't break into the market).

Meanwhile, family-sized homes and neighborhoods close to the city & nearby to jobs become ever more expensive due to limited supply and growing demand. Not saying we have to build Logan Circle townhomes everywhere in Nashville, but it's kinda BS that neighborhoods like Edgefield and Hillsboro are locked into detached luxury homes when they're less than 2 miles away from a booming downtown.