Elizabeth Projects (7th St, Elizabeth Ave, etc)

[Norm2]

No.....dirt will not move until the new burger king has to be built first before the one currently on Elizabeth cna be torn down.

[A2]

No.....dirt will not move until the new burger king has to be built first before the one currently on Elizabeth cna be torn down.

So are we talking construction in 2008, completion ~2010ish???

A2

[dubone]

Well, the Burger Kings framing is already half up by now. Fast food restaurants go up fast, especially the suburban standard we seem to be getting in our urban locations.

[dubone]

Starbucks is going into the old Andersons building on Elizabeth Ave. It might be just the next step in removing the authentic character of the street (what is left of it), but it will definitely bring people there.

[DigitalSky]

Starbucks is going into the old Andersons building on Elizabeth Ave. It might be just the next step in removing the authentic character of the street (what is left of it), but it will definitely bring people there.

I guess it's not surprising, although it is a 180 from Anderson's...

[CLTNative]

This may have been covered, but I read that the current Burger King will not close until a new one is built in the area. Where exactly will the new BK be located? Is that the primary roadblock for the Whole Foods building? Thanks in advance for the clarification.

[dubone]

Well, the Burger Kings framing is already half up by now. Fast food restaurants go up fast, especially the suburban standard we seem to be getting in our urban locations.

^ this quote was just one page back, CLTNative. .

Fast food restaurants go up faster than weeds, so no worries. It is being built on the other side of the same block, facing 4th (toward that little strip mall with the Subdude, etc).

I haven't been by in a little while, so it might be nearing completion of the particle board box (Hi-qual).

[atlrvr]

I drove by on Friday....the walls are framed and the particle board is up....no indication yet on what the roof-line will look like....it's much worse than the 2-story quasi-urban store that was originally planned. I would assume BK is to blame more than the developers, but I'm not sure.

[dubone]

The Chickfila on South looks like it is starting to have a decent shape, but really all of them are just completely disinterested in the walking customer. They want an easy in and out for someone driving to get their 4000 calorie meal.

(Although, I confess it is hard to pass up when hungover).

[CLTNative]

Thanks guys! I did see the framing, but didnt realize it was the BK. It was rather non-descript when I saw it. I totally agree about these fast food eye-sores. The area is littered with new developments and the 90's prototype restaurant, case in point, Wendy's Midtown, Arby's Midtown, Bojangles Midtown (which has a huge parking lot!!) and now another BK. I wish they would incorporate into the bases of some other projects. I like the Bojangles squeezed in the Overcash Building at CP. Notice how they had to change that horriblly gaudy sign.

[DigitalSky]

Thanks guys! I did see the framing, but didnt realize it was the BK. It was rather non-descript when I saw it. I totally agree about these fast food eye-sores. The area is littered with new developments and the 90's prototype restaurant, case in point, Wendy's Midtown, Arby's Midtown, Bojangles Midtown (which has a huge parking lot!!) and now another BK. I wish they would incorporate into the bases of some other projects. I like the Bojangles squeezed in the Overcash Building at CP. Notice how they had to change that horriblly gaudy sign.

have y'all seen the new Bojangle's across SouthPark in Dee Dee's development. It doesn't even look remotely like a Bojangle's from the exterior.

[voyager12]

I think it would have been nice if another locally owned store had replaced Anderson's but Starbucks does do a good job of generating sidewalk traffic and Liz Ave needs a lot more so I think it's a plus overall. I know Starbucks often places stores close together but this usually occurs in much larger cities, the 7th St. Starbucks already covers the same territory it seems to me. Also, Customshop seems to be moving along quite well and the 24hr Fitness will be a good source of activity. It looks like Elizabeth Ave is going to be a fun street with a wide variety of retail options in the next few years. I just wish Liz was longer....

Edited February 25, 2007 by voyager12

[dubone]

I have created a thread on the fast food places:

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35855

On Starbucks, does anyone know if they will close the 7th Street Starbucks, or is this just another case like they satirized in Shrek where people ran across the street from one Starbucks to another?

[Justadude]

The Starbucks on 7th does pretty well, so I'd be surprised to see it closed. They were full at 11:00 last night when I drove by.

I have a feeling that the Elizabeth site will benefit from hospital traffic. Hospital cafeterias get old pretty fast, so having a coffee shop within reasonable walking distance will be nice.

[sfmartin]

The Starbucks on 7th does pretty well, so I'd be surprised to see it closed. They were full at 11:00 last night when I drove by.

I have heard that it is the busiest Sbucks in town by a wide margin; so the close proximity may just give them breathing room.

[A2]

know Starbucks often places stores close together but this usually occurs in much larger citieslonger....

Actually there are five Starbucks inside of the loop Uptown. This is all in an 1.5 by 1.5 mile area. However, the main reason for this is due simply to provide some caffinated pleasures to the worker ants Uptown. Outside of the Uptown area I have to agree that Starbucks usually limits such a high concentrartion of shops in a limited area unless it is a MUCH larger city.

A2

Edited February 25, 2007 by A2

[Justadude]

There are an awful lot of workers on that southern side of the loop, though. There are two hospitals within a couple minutes' drive, plus all the midrise projects on Kings. And the population of Elizabeth is largely the coffeehouse crowd, so I'm sure they get a lot of residential traffic.

[Charlotte_native]

have y'all seen the new Bojangle's across SouthPark in Dee Dee's development. It doesn't even look remotely like a Bojangle's from the exterior.

You mean the Chicken Mother-ship? How big IS that place??

[Miesian Corners]

The SP Bo's is actually a part of what will be a large food court. There's going to be a pizza joint and a JustFresh joining them there. A construction guy also told me that there will be a traditional cafeteria on the second floor.

[Charlotte_native]

The SP Bo's is actually a part of what will be a large food court. There's going to be a pizza joint and a JustFresh joining them there. A construction guy also told me that there will be a traditional cafeteria on the second floor.

AHHHHH...I thought it was just the largest Bojangles in the world!

[hinsp0]

I think it would have been nice if another locally owned store had replaced Anderson's but Starbucks does do a good job of generating sidewalk traffic and Liz Ave needs a lot more so I think it's a plus overall. I know Starbucks often places stores close together but this usually occurs in much larger cities, the 7th St. Starbucks already covers the same territory it seems to me. Also, Customshop seems to be moving along quite well and the 24hr Fitness will be a good source of activity. It looks like Elizabeth Ave is going to be a fun street with a wide variety of retail options in the next few years. I just wish Liz was longer....

I walk to the 7th St. Starbucks, which is two blocks from my house. No way I'd walk to the Elizabeth Ave Starbucks. Don't forget that the Elizabeth Ave Starbucks will get a lot of student and hospital business (CPCC & Presby). The scenario is the same with CPCC & Presby... folks would walk all the way to 7th Street Starbucks from those locations.

I do think that you're right about Elizabeth Ave transforming into a fun street with a wide variety of retail options & street traffic.

[49er]

On the same street there is a great little local coffee shop/bar called sk net cafe that starbucks will probably run out of business.

[DigitalSky]

On the same street there is a great little local coffee shop/bar called sk net cafe that starbucks will probably run out of business.

wow you're right. SK Netcafe is a good place, I'd hate to see it go because of Starbucks, but with that announcement they're probably shaking in their boots unless they have a plan.

[voyager12]

I like SK Netcafe too and was concerned but the two establishments draw such completely different demographics that I think SK will weather the storm just fine.

[DigitalSky]

I like SK Netcafe too and was concerned but the two establishments draw such completely different demographics that I think SK will weather the storm just fine.

You might be right. SK Netcafe isn't one's typical coffeehouse too upon seeing their website http://www.sknetcafe.com/