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Only in Orlando. Amway, known for its cheesy cleaning products sold through a multi level marketing gimmick, has its name on our arena. Now, a cheesy, mostly unheard of chain of camping equi

orange87
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So me and my friends just got back from the Pro Bowl. It was raining and freezing and we left at halftime because the weather was unbearable. Anyway, I don't know why anyone would call that stadium a

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That's mainly because the 10 cleaners they hired have to recruit 10 cleaners each before they start working and each of the original 10 cleaners' 10 cleaners have to recruit 10 cleaners before they ca

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Uh-oh

Vote delay snags 3 projects:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...-home-headlines

Oops! Sorry I can't get that properly linked. Says the vote is months away. Negotiations are crawling. Everyone's disappointed. Little hope that the venues will be ready 2010. and with construction costs soaring, there are real fears that projects will have to be scaled back.

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^It seems the PAC is the only venue making significant progress (donations $$).

Perhaps the PAC is seen as a true 'need,' while a facility that adds 461 seats to the house is looked on with more scepticism. True 26 more luxury suites and 60 premium/club seats will be added as well if the proposals are anything to go on. I understand basketball is this elite generation's opera: mostly a social gathering. Today's Diamond Horseshoe lives in arenas and stadiums. But unlike the Carr, the NBA can hold a regulation game in Orlando where the court isn't a little smaller, and the hoops a little lower. Add to that what most people see as huge salaries in pro sports leads one to beleive they make some money, and I would imagine many folks think they should foot more of the bill to have a venue. Like a 16 year old whining her car is so OLD. Does it do what it's supposed to? Does it hold what you need? You want something better maybe you need to look into getting a part time job... sorry, I digress.

I do agree that the lower bowl of the Citrus Bowl needs to be re-done. Anytime you can see daylight through structural steel, you got a rust problem.

If any of the venues should get O.C. support it would be the citrus bowl, three days a year it brings tourists into hotels many of whom extend their stay past the pre- and post- game days common in other areas.

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... Like a 16 year old whining her car is so OLD. Does it do what it's supposed to? Does it hold what you need? You want something better maybe you need to look into getting a part time job... sorry, I digress.

I just have to ask: Can your 16-year old choose to go to other parents who are ready to hand over the keys to the mercedes?

When making a decision you have to consider correct question. Do we need a more or newer seats to watch basketball is not the question. The Magic will leave if they don't soon get a new arena. Period! SOooooo what is the value of having an NBA team in Orlando? Is it worth spending money to keep them? How much is it worth to city image compared to something like the $200+ million add compaign just launched? Does that image bring in new business and what is that worth?

I don't have the answers but I think those are the questions to be asked.

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I just have to ask: Can your 16-year old choose to go to other parents who are ready to hand over the keys to the mercedes?

When making a decision you have to consider correct question. Do we need a more or newer seats to watch basketball is not the question. The Magic will leave if they don't soon get a new arena. Period! SOooooo what is the value of having an NBA team in Orlando? Is it worth spending money to keep them? How much is it worth to city image compared to something like the $200+ million add compaign just launched? Does that image bring in new business and what is that worth?

I don't have the answers but I think those are the questions to be asked.

In undergrad my economics professor was Rob Baade, he's the top sports economists in the country and has worked on every major stadium deal since the early 90's. That was precisely the question he used to ask us, "How much is it worth to a community?" He used to use Chicago as an example from the days of Michael Jordan. Whenever he would travel abroad people always knew Michael Jordan and Chicago. I think Orlando approached that when Shaq was still on the payroll. Anyway, I think that is must be a collective decision made by the community as to how much it is willing to pay to keep the name Orlando in every major paper everyday of basketball season. I say spend the money.

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In undergrad my economics professor was Rob Baade, he's the top sports economists in the country and has worked on every major stadium deal since the early 90's. That was precisely the question he used to ask us, "How much is it worth to a community?" He used to use Chicago as an example from the days of Michael Jordan. Whenever he would travel abroad people always knew Michael Jordan and Chicago. I think Orlando approached that when Shaq was still on the payroll. Anyway, I think that is must be a collective decision made by the community as to how much it is willing to pay to keep the name Orlando in every major paper everyday of basketball season. I say spend the money.

I say for that reason we need the new arena more than a new PAC. And we also need the Citrus Bowl upgrade for that reason as well. I'm just not sold on the price for a Citrus Bowl upgrade.

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At the same time, while holding onto the Magic is a definite concern for this community, we shouldn't sell our souls in the process. I don't think Orange County wants to lose the Magic...they just want to leverage the bargaining process while they still can. And I don't think the Magic want to leave Orlando either - they're the only pro-sports team in a dramatically expanding market, and they've been doing well in attendance numbers this year. They always have, as long as the team doesn

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I just have to ask: Can your 16-year old choose to go to other parents who are ready to hand over the keys to the mercedes?

When making a decision you have to consider correct question. Do we need a more or newer seats to watch basketball is not the question. The Magic will leave if they don't soon get a new arena. Period! SOooooo what is the value of having an NBA team in Orlando? Is it worth spending money to keep them? How much is it worth to city image compared to something like the $200+ million add compaign just launched? Does that image bring in new business and what is that worth?

I don't have the answers but I think those are the questions to be asked.

If my daughter wishes to run away from home because she thinks she will be more popular with a newer car that another family 'who really loves her' will buy her, well... I have heard of this sort of thing before, and normally there is something much more dysfunctional in the relationship going on. A better analogy would be an older girl who some might call a gold digger. If that is the relationship you're okay with, eh, who am I to judge if it works for you, may you find joy and happiness, just don't ask me to be co-dependent.

I work in the arts, so obviously my viewpoint is from there. But I have to comment on the dichotomy concerning public support of the arts and professional sports. (I am no longer talking of comments attributal solely to cwetteland.) When the question of public support for the arts is mentioned many detractors start talking about the market place, and how the arts should foot their own bill, if they want to have shiny new things. How strange then to tell the small business arts groups to fend for themselves in the market place, yet provide support for the large moneymaking enterprises of professional sports.

Indeed, what IS a reasonable cost of publicity for the sake of publicity? The 200M+ ad campaign has an action message, what is the action message to Orlando 97, Lakers 96, or even the Orlando Philharmonic 87, Shostakovitch 121? Don't try to sell me on the dollars and cents of these things. Having a vibrant entertainment community (sports and arts) may be something worth spending money on to have, but it isn't really the place to spend money to make more money. Rate of return is bound to be so small throwing the same amount of money into a McDonalds franchise or something would be much better spent.

For the record I support prudent public funding of both sports and the arts at all levels: pee wee football to NFL stadiums, Orff to Symphonic Orchestras, but then again I lean socialist.

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well I do believe the battle cry has been

"Build them all, build them now, build them right"

I really think we need to build them all, and do them right. Each one has a lot to offer orlando, and will do A LOT for our community.

I think some people really underestimate the power of these new venues....and talk about putting us on the map, 3 new state of the arts venues all at the same time....I think that might get some heads turning.

And of course as the old saying goes, in order to make money you have to spend money.

Finally lets not lose sight of what these venues will do for the surrounding areas. Orlando is on the verge of another boom as I see it, once we get all our new recidences into the new downtown condos and what not, and new venues, the orlando area will hit another boom....

well thats what I think

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The Orlando Performing Arts Center (OPAC) also envisions the project would include up to 2 million square feet of commercial space; a $100 million office building (CNL III); a $60 million, 200-room boutique hotel; a $210 million, twin-tower project with 300-500 residential condos; and another $410 million building with either office space or more residential condos; as well as new retail, restaurants and entertainment businesses.

I think they are supposed to help pay for the PAC from the taxes from all these buildings.

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can't they incorporate condo or office into a new arena or PAC proposal? it is feasible--- to help with the funding issues, or would it make it a privately owned venture?

THe Garden is at the base of a tower-- are they connected, or is proximity their only common trait?

The Garden is connected to 1 Penn Plaza, which is integrated into Penn Station where NYC Subways, Long Island Rail Road Commuter Rail (LIRR), and New Jersey Transit Commuter Rail all intersect. In addition there is a retail component on the periphery of the intersection. The complex is owned by Cablevision. Co-owners Jim and Charles Dolan are very politically active and were largely responsible for the West Side Stadium for the Jets being 86'd.

One Penn Plaza

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County lists gripes with arena deal

Orange County negotiators have drafted a lengthy list of concerns about a deal that the city and Orlando Magic have worked out for a new $480 million arena, raising the ante in an increasingly contentious dispute over whether the team is getting too many breaks.

The latest objections threaten to further delay a larger agreement that includes the arena, a new performing-arts center and renovations to the Florida Citrus Bowl, a trio of projects that carry a $1 billion price tag. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer and Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty want all three completed by 2010, but backers of the projects are concerned that the squabbling over the arena deal could jeopardize that timetable.

Read More at OrlandoSentinel.com

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From reading the article i dont get the feeling that this is going to fall through. I just think it may delay the vote a little bit but i hope the county commissioners as well as the city put their ego in check and make sure they come to an agreement.

i HOPE YOUR RIGHT.i SORT OF TOOK IT THAT WAY ALSO.NOW ITS GOOD TO GO OVER ALL THESE ISSUES BUT WE HAVE BEEN SQUABBLING OVER THIS FOR 2 YEARS.jUST BUILD THE DAMNED THING.tHE TAX MONEY DONT BELONG TO HARRIS ROSEN OR ANY OTHER HOTELIERS.THE TAX BELONGS TO THE STATE.COUNTY AND CITY LETS USE IT FOR US SO WE MIGHT GET A LITTLE ENJOYNMENT OUT OF IT.i THINK THE MAGIC ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND I DONT BLAME THEM.lET JUST GET THIS THING DONE SO ORLANDO CAN BECOME A FIRST CLASS CITY.GO MAGIC

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i HOPE YOUR RIGHT.i SORT OF TOOK IT THAT WAY ALSO.NOW ITS GOOD TO GO OVER ALL THESE ISSUES BUT WE HAVE BEEN SQUABBLING OVER THIS FOR 2 YEARS.jUST BUILD THE DAMNED THING.tHE TAX MONEY DONT BELONG TO HARRIS ROSEN OR ANY OTHER HOTELIERS.THE TAX BELONGS TO THE STATE.COUNTY AND CITY LETS USE IT FOR US SO WE MIGHT GET A LITTLE ENJOYNMENT OUT OF IT.i THINK THE MAGIC ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND I DONT BLAME THEM.lET JUST GET THIS THING DONE SO ORLANDO CAN BECOME A FIRST CLASS CITY.GO MAGIC

This debate has noooothing to do with who the tax money belongs to. Ultimately, the comissioners are protecting us, the residents, by making sure we don't get ripped off. I'm fine with that. The money is already set aside - at least figuratively. Point being, we know where the tax money is coming from, no debate over that. Now it's just about making sure there's oversight and fiscal responsibility. Ultimately, if things go horribly wrong, taxpayers are on the hook unless other provisions are made. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I get the impression both the City and the County genuinely want to make this happen. I think it's great that the two governments are keeping the other in check, as long as they don't lose sight of the common goal.

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