Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge

[bmkTN]

11 hours ago, Vrtigo said:

I think the Olmstead (and BWSC, to some extent) will do a great deal to improve an apparently still pretty sketchy part of town. I visited one of the businesses over there last weekend and had to walk a few blocks as to not pay for parking.

During my brief walk, I was approached by several individuals looking for some form of assistance, which ordinarily wouldn't bother me very much. In fact, I'm relatively accustomed to being panhandled, but this may have been one of the first times ever that I have felt unsafe walking through any part of Nashville.

My wife's company just recently moved into SoBro, very close to LC's apartment property.  They have had some very seedy characters occasionally milling around outside their office area from time to time and have even had people defecate right outside their doors overnight and leave it there for the next morning.  These are somewhat rare, but there's definitely still a certain contingent in that area that will hopefully dwindle as more new development pushes that direction.

Edited December 16, 2016 by bmkTN

[samsonh]

7 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

Ooh boy! Some people have a lot of time on their hands. Actually, I find the styles in the banner to be ridiculously dated. The styles!  People need to move on from silly stuff like that. I'd guess that regardless of race, most people will think it's just a stupid looking banner. Hence, my original comment about Barry Gibb. 

I think it's pretty obvious and understandable why people might be upset by that advertisement in a transitioning neighborhood. 

[Nashtitans]

21 minutes ago, samsonh said:

I think it's pretty obvious and understandable why people might be upset by that advertisement in a transitioning neighborhood. 

Yeah I fully understand why people are upset about this. Tons of people in this city are (rightfully) anti-gentrification and this doesn't help people support it. Especially in a neighborhood like this with rich African american history

Edited December 16, 2016 by Nashtitans

[CenterHill]

8 hours ago, Nashtitans said:

They need to take height limits out of the core. No reason why a proposed building downtown can't exceed 650+ ft or whatever. What a stupid rule.

But keep height limits outta the downtown of a city

Sure, but when the codes were written, the "core" and "downtown" were considered Broadway and north, river to 8th.   Even 10 years ago.   SoBro was never considered core, hell it wasn't even "SoBro" - it was a wasteland of light industry and parking lots for 50 years before the Schermerhorn and Music City Center started pulling development  south.    Explosive growth continues to feed the demand for new development and most of it is pushing south. 

Do zoning and height restrictions need to evolve, too?   Yes, and they will.  Right now, developers are building what the market wants and what they can finance.    As we've seen, the planning commission and BZA have been quite liberal in granting variances to allow major development, and height, to occur in SoBro.     I'm not aware of any 650 ft proposals in SoBro that have been denied.     As land prices and market demand both increase, so will project height proposals.   That will continue to push south (and west) to the interstate loop.     Right now there is still a lot of developable acreage in the core, or what we now think of as the core.   Give it time.   It's filling in at unprecedented speed.    

 

Edited December 16, 2016 by CenterHill

[Nashville Cliff]

7 hours ago, CenterHill said:

SoBro was never considered core, hell it wasn't even "SoBro" - it was a wasteland of light industry and parking lots for 50 years before the Schermerhorn and Music City Center started pulling development  south.    Explosive growth continues to feed the demand for new development and most of it is pushing south. 

I agree it wasn't the SoBro we know yet 10 years ago, but folks have been calling it SoBro since at least 1997, when Christine Kreyling wrote The Plan for SoBro for the Nashville Scene.  That plan was partly in response to Public Works bonehead proposal for a suburban-style connector from 24 to 65 across that part of town; Kreyling's plan was, I believe, instrumental in getting us the pedestrian and bike friendly KVB Avenue instead.

[PaulChinetti]

29 minutes ago, Nashville Cliff said:

I agree it wasn't the SoBro we know yet 10 years ago, but folks have been calling it SoBro since at least 1997, when Christine Kreyling wrote The Plan for SoBro for the Nashville Scene.  That plan was partly in response to Public Works bonehead proposal for a suburban-style connector from 24 to 65 across that part of town; Kreyling's plan was, I believe, instrumental in getting us the pedestrian and bike friendly KVB Avenue instead.

Is that plan still bouncing around somewhere, would be interesting to look at now.

The building on Church and 8th is getting demoed I'm guessing. Not entirely sure what's going on there. It's had scaffolding around it forever now. 

[donNdonelson2]

The building coming down at Church & 8th is in the footprint of the new federal courthouse.

[Rockatansky]

12 hours ago, bmkTN said:

My wife's company just recently moved into SoBro, very close to LC's apartment property.  They have had some very seedy characters occasionally milling around outside their office area from time to time and have even had people defecate right outside their doors overnight and leave it there for the next morning.  These are somewhat rare, but there's definitely still a certain contingent in that area that will hopefully dwindle as more new development pushes that direction.

I also work in that general area and have personally seen both sex acts and defecation in public. Despite that, I don't really feel that unsafe walking in SoBro.

Edited December 16, 2016 by Rockatansky

[markhollin]

Update on BWSC (8 stories, 125,000 sq. ft. of office space). Up to the 4th floor now:

Looking south from intersection of 3rd Ave. South and Lea Ave:

[17thandFisk]

Ok, I might get blasted for this but here it goes.  I'm an african american who owns property in this area.  The area sat and atrophied for years and years and now people want to complain when there are good restaurants, new retail, and new energy moving into the area.  Gimme a break.  If you are so bothered now, where was that righteous indignation when the neighborhoods were falling apart.  If you want to preserve the rich history of the neighborhood then do so but to do that you have to get off the sidelines and do something.  Spend some money.  If you don't have it it pool your resources.   I understand the frustration but the answer is to compete not to beotch and moan.  Let the sniping begin...

[fxvol]

41 minutes ago, 17thandFisk said:

Ok, I might get blasted for this but here it goes.  I'm an african american who owns property in this area.  The area sat and atrophied for years and years and now people want to complain when there are good restaurants, new retail, and new energy moving into the area.  Gimme a break.  If you are so bothered now, where was that righteous indignation when the neighborhoods were falling apart.  If you want to preserve the rich history of the neighborhood then do so but to do that you have to get off the sidelines and do something.  Spend some money.  If you don't have it it pool your resources.   I understand the frustration but the answer is to compete not to beotch and moan.  Let the sniping begin...

Could not agree more.

[rookzie]

21 hours ago, 17thandFisk said:

Ok, I might get blasted for this but here it goes.  I'm an african american who owns property in this area.  The area sat and atrophied for years and years and now people want to complain when there are good restaurants, new retail, and new energy moving into the area.  Gimme a break.  If you are so bothered now, where was that righteous indignation when the neighborhoods were falling apart.  If you want to preserve the rich history of the neighborhood then do so but to do that you have to get off the sidelines and do something.  Spend some money.  If you don't have it it pool your resources.   I understand the frustration but the answer is to compete not to beotch and moan.  Let the sniping begin...

I think I've met you once or twice 17thandFisk (perhaps it was someone in your immediate family with whom I came in contact regularly).  I reiterate that I'm not complaining, to say the very least, and my wishes are that this transformation eventually pervades the entire Jefferson street corridor from Germantown to the far end of Jefferson.  But I also agree with Samsonh and Nashtitans that it was simply a poor choice of theme selection for a banner, even if, as I stated earlier, it was inadvertent.

Edited December 19, 2016 by rookzie

[smeagolsfree]

I really believe there has to be community involvement in a neighborhood to make a change. Gentrification is a huge issue, and many developers are being so aggressive, it border lines on criminal. Reporting older and lower income residents to codes, and then codes has no recourse than to respond to the compliant. This is happening all over Nashville and somehow the citizens of Nashville need to get a handle on this. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle and may be too late for a lot of areas.

I think there is a group in E Nashville that is helping residents get their properties up to codes, but I wish all could pull together and help their neighbors out in this way.

I am all for a neighborhood to make a comeback, but not at the expense of the good and honest people that have called that their home for many years.

[Nashtitans]

On NC5, there was this video about this elderly black lady who was being harassed by developers so they can build some tall-skinnies or whatever. She wasn't budging, so the developers started doing criminal activity (they started damaging her house so she could be so financially-drained that she would have to sell it). She has to lock down her house everyday so the developers don't burglarize her house.

Forcing people (mainly minorities) out their homes just so they can build some tall skinnies or some expensive hipster coffee shop isn't good and kills diversity. Like a user said. gentrification has its advantages and disadvantages.

[samsonh]

4 hours ago, 17thandFisk said:

Ok, I might get blasted for this but here it goes.  I'm an african american who owns property in this area.  The area sat and atrophied for years and years and now people want to complain when there are good restaurants, new retail, and new energy moving into the area.  Gimme a break.  If you are so bothered now, where was that righteous indignation when the neighborhoods were falling apart.  If you want to preserve the rich history of the neighborhood then do so but to do that you have to get off the sidelines and do something.  Spend some money.  If you don't have it it pool your resources.   I understand the frustration but the answer is to compete not to beotch and moan.  Let the sniping begin...

I think everyone wants Nashville to get better, Germantown to get better. You've made it clear you are a property owner in the area and want that value to improve. Understandable. 

 

Surely you can understand how gentrification is impacting some in a negative manner? Many of us on this board have greatly benefited financially from this boom we are undergoing, but it's important to help those who cannot capitalize in the same way. At least that my opinion.

[Pyramid Scheme]

3 hours ago, Nashtitans said:

On NC5, there was this video about this elderly black lady who was being harassed by developers so they can build some tall-skinnies or whatever. She wasn't budging, so the developers started doing criminal activity (they started damaging her house so she could be so financially-drained that she would have to sell it). She has to lock down her house everyday so the developers don't burglarize her house.

Forcing people (mainly minorities) out their homes just so they can build some tall skinnies or some expensive hipster coffee shop isn't good and kills diversity. Like a user said. gentrification has its advantages and disadvantages.

I think that was just those developers. Not all developers.

[Nashville Cliff]

On 12/16/2016 at 7:55 AM, PaulChinetti said:

Is that plan still bouncing around somewhere, would be interesting to look at now.

I imagine the library has a copy.  I have one in a trunk somewhere.  It is discussed some in the NCDC's Plan of Nashville as well.

[markhollin]

From today's Tennessean:

An entity linked to a Nashville hotelier Nayan K. Patel has paid $2.5 million for 5.6 acres of vacant commercial land at 330 Athens Way in the MetroCenter area. Metgate LLC bought the site that's next door to the Parc at Metro Center apartments and behind Metro Center Teachers' Apartments from Kelly Lot Development Inc.

Patel couldn't be reached to ascertain his future plans for the site, which had once been eyed for an expansion of Parc at Metro Center. Locally, he owns a Motel 6 on Stewarts Ferry Pike, the Howard Johnson Downtown/Opryland Area on Brick Church Pike and the Hampton Inn Nashville/Goodlettsville in Goodlettsville.

The site is in the center of this screen shot (west side of Athens Way) from Smeagolsfree's excellent Development Map:

 

[17thandFisk]

His history says hotels so I would be surprised if it’s another large residential project and that area could use more hotel space. 

[17thandFisk]

14 hours ago, samsonh said:

I think everyone wants Nashville to get better, Germantown to get better. You've made it clear you are a property owner in the area and want that value to improve. Understandable. 

 

Surely you can understand how gentrification is impacting some in a negative manner? Many of us on this board have greatly benefited financially from this boom we are undergoing, but it's important to help those who cannot capitalize in the same way. At least that my opinion.

I certainly understand the impact of gentrification and I'm not advocating kicking old people out of their homes because the tax rates go up due to rising home prices.  My ire is solely directed at the leeches of the community, who more often than not complain without even having an actual financial stake in the community.  My mother never made more than 50k in any given year but she saved her money and bought the property and built the quadruplex that I now run.  I'm all for helping people especially the elderly, but let's not infantilize people who can and should be capable.  We do them and the neighborhood a disservice by doing so.   

[markhollin]

Tom Morales to open another restaurant downtown---this one in the historic 221 5th Ave. North locale where the famous Civil Rights sit-ins took place. It was most recently a Dollar General Store.

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2016/12/19/tom-morales-in-negotiations-to-lease-downtown.html

[markhollin]

The building that houses Peg Leg Porker is being redesigned into a larger restaurant with a roof-top deck.  From today's Nashville Post:

The 903 Gleaves St. restaurant would carry an approximately $1 million price tag. Nashville Business Journal was the first to report the development will include a second-level addition (with seating for at least 160 guests) and a commissary kitchen on the ground floor that would allow private dining usage.

Ashland City-based John F. Werne is serving as architect. Dowdle Construction will be the general contractor. The property falls within MDHA’s Art Center Redevelopment District and, as such, requires committee approval of site plan and exterior design.

 

[bhibbs]

used to?
I just ate there this weekend..it was my understanding the restaurant was staying open during construction  

[MLBrumby]

NP says it's an expansion of the building. Rendering on the locked site... http://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/20847213/peg-leg-porker-gulch-building-eyed-for-addition

Oops! Just caught that this rendering is for Tavern on 3rd.  So solly! 

On 12/1/2016 at 5:37 PM, markhollin said:

^ ^ ^ Regarding this article: the rendering below is actually from early 2015, so may not be accurate at this time.  The aerial shot with layout ideas is more current.  Hopefully we will see more of Zach Liff's current plans soon.  He controls much of the land on that side of the tracks.

 

I've said this before.  Looking at this layout, I am even more convinced that the Palmer Place end of the Ped Bridge would make a really great gathering spot for a smattering of pubs and restaurants (as sort of a quiet counterpoint to Broadway).  That triangular building right across Palmer would make a great London style pub (yes, I've said that before). And a tie-in to the Cannery would make it even more attractive. I could even see retail through that area. Mr. Liff, are  you reading this? 

Edited December 19, 2016 by MLBrumby

[grilled_cheese]

I just hope that bridge and resulting landing area don't affect Cannery Ballroom/Mercy/High Watt in a negative way. I love those venues and don't want them to go away.  However, it would be nice to have some bars to pre-game at that were a bit closer, something we have always complained about.