Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

[HopHead]

16 hours ago, CLT704 said:

There is a crane on site! This is getting exciting!

This isn't true unless we see a picture. *cough* @grodney *cough*

[CLTProductions]

Not for a tower crane, but there are indeed cranes on site 

[grodney]

2 hours ago, HopHead said:

This isn't true unless we see a picture. *cough* @grodney *cough*

 

 

 

 

[edmundblackadder1999]

I assume that the foundation, etc will take a year to excavate and then pour.  If so, this should start to actually rise in 2018.  Is that correct?

[atlrvr]

No way.  They aren't going underground with parking, and they've been grading it as they demoed.  The equipment on site is for footings.  This should be above ground in the 2nd half of this year I would think.

[Guest]

Just now, atlrvr said:

No way.  They aren't going underground with parking, and they've been grading it as they demoed.  The equipment on site is for footings.  This should be above ground in the 2nd half of this year I would think.

The Parking deck will have two levels below ground. Supposedly the mint side is already low enough for the two levels, so not much will have to be graded.

[edmundblackadder1999]

50 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

No way.  They aren't going underground with parking, and they've been grading it as they demoed.  The equipment on site is for footings.  This should be above ground in the 2nd half of this year I would think.

Thanks.  In NY, they go several stories below ground deep into the bedrock (and there's never parking -- that's just for the building).

Since Charlotte doesn't even have bedrock, I assumed that they would need to dig a foundation at least 50' deep and line it with concrete and rebar, etc.  Is that not the case?

 

 

[tozmervo]

3 minutes ago, edmundblackadder1999 said:

Thanks.  In NY, they go several stories below ground deep into the bedrock (and there's never parking -- that's just for the building).

Since Charlotte doesn't even have bedrock, I assumed that they would need to dig a foundation at least 50' deep and line it with concrete and rebar, etc.  Is that not the case?

You don't need walls for foundations, you can achieve support with piles of concrete driven down to stable footing.

[edmundblackadder1999]

So in Charlotte, they don't dig way below street level and build concrete walls around the perimeter with a concrete floor lined with rebar like this?

I've seen many buildings rise in Charlotte but it's always been hard to get up close and look into the pit.

 

Edited February 1, 2017 by edmundblackadder1999

[Guest]

1 hour ago, edmundblackadder1999 said:

Thanks.  In NY, they go several stories below ground deep into the bedrock (and there's never parking -- that's just for the building).

Since Charlotte doesn't even have bedrock, I assumed that they would need to dig a foundation at least 50' deep and line it with concrete and rebar, etc.  Is that not the case?

 

 

According to this, Charlotte has Peraluminus Granite under uptown.

I've heard numerous developers talk about the difficulty/expense of burying parking in Charlotte, specifically under the stonewall corridor, Duke Energy's hole in the earth was quite an undertaking that took lots of dynamite. 

 

[videtur quam contuor]

The 277 excavation alongside of Stonewall also required substantial dynamite or whatever they used then. I recall basketball size rocks dropped on the Observer building and other areas at the time when the explosion was not as expected.

[edmundblackadder1999]

Thanks for the info, guys.

[nakers2]

1 hour ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

According to this, Charlotte has Peraluminus Granite under uptown.

I've heard numerous developers talk about the difficulty/expense of burying parking in Charlotte, specifically under the stonewall corridor, Duke Energy's hole in the earth was quite an undertaking that took lots of dynamite. 

 

Despite being a Charlotte native I moved away for some time and did not live in the city at the time the Duke Energy Center was being built (I was at the whim of my parents giving me rides everywhere, so going to see the Duke Energy Center being built would not have been on their priority list for visiting Charlotte) I knew it was not cakewalk building it but I never realized how massive this project truly was. They definitely had the benefit of being one of the first major projects in that area, I wonder what they will do at the site across the street? Not much room for an above ground parking garage, they'd probably have to do some heavy excavation too (though I personally wouldn't be against a building with no built in parking at all) 

[KJHburg]

Remember Tryon Street through uptown is on a ridge hence one of the reasons for the name UPtown. (Native Americans were very smart they wanted all their trading paths on ridges) A ridge is all that is left of a once great mountain range and is solid as a rock. All the loose dirt has eroded away. In Concord the ridge through downtown Concord is populated with large boulders. When I was out at Morrow Mtn State Park I remember reading that those Uwharrie mountains were once 10,000 feet tall and all that is left is around 1000 feet or less. In NYC they have to build those walls or bathtubs to put the foundations in because of the closeness of the rivers and tidal waters. 

I agree this tower will be vertical mid year since there is a not a deep underground garage like 300 South Tryon. Exciting times for sure! 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, KJHburg said:

Remember Tryon Street through uptown is on a ridge hence one of the reasons for the name UPtown. (Native Americans were very smart they wanted all their trading paths on ridges) A ridge is all that is left of a once great mountain range and is solid as a rock. All the loose dirt has eroded away. In Concord the ridge through downtown Concord is populated with large boulders. When I was out at Morrow Mtn State Park I remember reading that those Uwharrie mountains were once 10,000 feet tall and all that is left is around 1000 feet or less. In NYC they have to build those walls or bathtubs to put the foundations in because of the closeness of the rivers and tidal waters. 

I agree this tower will be vertical mid year since there is a not a deep underground garage like 300 South Tryon. Exciting times for sure! 

Interestingly there is a big ring of plutonic rock around Concord. 

[ah59396]

14 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Interestingly there is a big ring of plutonic rock around Concord. 

I think one of the first things I learned about Concord when I moved there back in the early 90's was that it was in the caldera of an old volcano.  Cool to actually see it on a map!

[CLTProductions]

On 12/14/2016 at 0:00 PM, DMann said:

 

I have no idea what just happened with my post

 

Anywho: by the way, this project got a foundation and footers ($2.3m) permit the other day. Full steam ahead!!!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ah59396 said:

I think one of the first things I learned about Concord when I moved there back in the early 90's was that it was in the caldera of an old volcano.  Cool to actually see it on a map!

Yea man. I'm doing a bunch of research on it, for a possible article. Kinda cool.

[RiverwoodCLT]

Old Charlotte road out of Concord to NC 49 is on the rim of that old volcano.

[edmundblackadder1999]

1 hour ago, Jayvee said:

I have no idea what just happened with my post

 

Anywho: by the way, this project got a foundation and footers ($2.3m) permit the other day. Full steam ahead!!!

Good news!

[KJHburg]

Does anyone know what this building and development will be called? That kinda of information should be no big secret. This is a 2 block project and construction has been started and no one knows the name but Johnny and Johno Harris I guess. Just curious I am tired of calling it the Lincoln Harris Goldman Sachs Project at the Old Observer Building Site  or LHGSP at OOBS

[Guest]

Does anyone know what this building and development will be called? That kinda of information should be no big secret. This is a 2 block project and construction has been started and no one knows the name but Johnny and Johno Harris I guess. Just curious I am tired of calling it the Lincoln Harris Goldman Sachs Project at the Old Observer Building Site  or LHGSP at OOBS

I call it journalist square


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[49er]

Some of the old docs back in the fall called it "Project Riverboat" fwiw. I'm sure that was just a secret working name. 

[nakers2]

2 hours ago, 49er said:

Some of the old docs back in the fall called it "Project Riverboat" fwiw. I'm sure that was just a secret working name. 

Riverboat, as in Riverboat Ron (Rivera) in reference to the stadium. Smart. 

[atlrvr]

I had two theories:

1) Riverboat Ron / Panthers Stadium proximity

2) Riverboats = St. Louis = Wells Fargo Advisors