Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

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Edited November 18, 2022 by tarhoosier

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

To me, it boils down to what is Teppers long term vision for this stadium? If he’s going to build a dome, fine. If not, I’d like LH to be a little bit more creative with this last parcel. It’s very large (might be the largest parcel of the entire LU). So far LU has been heavy on office obviously and it feels corporate-y if you will. If the stadium stays put, I’d like to see that parcel built to welcome visitors from the streets. It’s big enough for several towers but have lots of retail. With panthers, mls, and other events, mint street gets flooded with ppl. Honestly wouldn’t mind scaled down and more pedestrian friendly epicentre type feel with retail on the bottom and several towers above. Electronic video boards advertising the panthers or Charlotte fc. Bars and restaurants. Create an attraction like an ACC store/museum since the HQ is there now. A residential and hotel tower would add that much needed 24/7 foot traffic and help support the retail. Not saying we need a full blown entertainment district or ball park village there but LU needs some life and energy esp with the proximity to the stadium. 
 

*We’ll end up with one or two more office towers and another parking deck lol

Edited November 19, 2022 by CharlotteWkndBuzz

[j-man]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I thought that those towers were taller.

 

Why would you think that? Residential floors and parking garage floors are 10 ft tall. So if it’s 50 stories it equals 500ft. It’s pretty much the amount of floors multiplied by  the 10ft floor height. Then add the height of the decorative top.

Edited November 19, 2022 by j-man

[SydneyCarton]

53 minutes ago, j-man said:

Why would you think that? Residential floors and parking garage floors are 10 ft tall. So if it’s 50 stories it equals 500ft. It’s pretty much the amount of floors multiplied by  the 10ft floor height. Then add the height of the height of a decorative top.

Most high-rise residential construction in the US is in the Forbidden City, and I believe that the floors are generally 15 to 20’ tall.  I assumed that was a new standard which could be applied in Charlotte too.  I can’t imagine that it costs too much more to add extra floor height.

The new JPMorgan HQ, while commercial, is almost 1,400’ tall, and yet it’s only about 56 floors.   Similarly, the new 175 Park will be almost 1,600 feet tall, and I doubt it will be over 100 floors.  It’s probably about 70-75 floors.  
 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[ClassicColtrane]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Most high-rise residential construction in the US is in the Forbidden City, and I believe that the floors are generally 15 to 20’ tall.  I assumed that was a new standard which could be applied in Charlotte too.  I can’t imagine that it costs too much more to add extra floor height.

The new JPMorgan HQ, while commercial, is almost 1,400’ tall, and yet it’s only about 56 floors.   Similarly, the new 175 Park will be almost 1,600 feet tall, and I doubt it will be over 100 floors.  It’s probably about 70-75 floors.  
 

 

Hey man, people might be giving you some pushback, but I love your ambitious goals for Charlotte and I hope LH has the same goals. Go big or go home! World class cities need world class buildings and pedestrian experiences, and I think they can accomplish both with this last parcel!

(also I’m praying to the ancestors that LH does not buy the iron district land…)

Edited November 19, 2022 by ClassicColtrane

[SydneyCarton]

50 minutes ago, ClassicColtrane said:

Hey man, people might be giving you some pushback, but I love your ambitious goals for Charlotte and I hope LH has the same goals. Go big or go home! World class cities need world class buildings and pedestrian experiences, and I think they can accomplish both with this last parcel!

(also I’m praying to the ancestors that LH does not buy the iron district land…)

1,200’ is unrealistic.  I don’t know why people reacted to 750 as unrealistic.  Aren’t LU1/BoA and DEC2 650 and 600’, respectively?  750’ is hardly gigantic for an upscale residential tower.  In fact, with  Charlotte’s growth, I could see a 900’ tower in its future.  

Edited November 19, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[ClassicColtrane]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don’t know why people reacted to 750 as unrealistic.  Aren’t LU1/BoA and DEC2 650 and 600’, respectively?  750’ is hardly gigantic for an upscale residential tower.

Yes, I love it! Love this energy! And moreover, our beloved Charlotte deserves it! 

[DJ8hep]

Yes, I love it! Love this energy! And moreover, our beloved Charlotte deserves it! 

Agreed!

[RANYC]

This obsession with super-tall buildings is now clinical for some of you.  I've diagnosed it - Megalophilia.

[JRCLT]

This obsession with super-tall buildings is now clinical for some of you.  I've diagnosed it - Megalophilia.

Well they are fascinating and amazing structures! Not everyone knows this but engineers typically design the structure and systems that makes these amazing buildings function whilst Architecture takes the building structure and makes it look just as amazing as the systems and the structure behind its aesthetics. It’s definitely a team effort and each aspect cannot be attributed to overall any one person or profession. I’m not saying there needs to be more, but want to say there is an obsession of miniature buildings as well. 750ft (I don’t think this is what you’re saying but I’ll say it anyway) is not super tall. Although the forbidden city is not comparable (I’m assuming it’s Austin lol correct me if I’m wrong!) I’d like to see taller residential and hospitality mixed use towers. It would help uptown gain much more population density, but I wouldn’t say that those towers are the only kind I’d like. I wouldn’t also mind getting more 200-350ft towers maybe 10 or more of those!

[ClassicColtrane]

9 hours ago, RANYC said:

This obsession with super-tall buildings is now clinical for some of you.  I've diagnosed it - Megalophilia.

Not sure what your definition of “super-tall” is, but by my count, Charlotte has 1. And that’s 1 BAC tower. 

[Matthew.Brendan]

Super talls are 1000’ +

Austin is the only remotely close to “peer city” of Charlotte to have a super tall. They also have at least 8 residential buildings 600’ or greater built and/or under construction. 

[asthasr]

I would prefer not to see a really large building in this spot, because it will leave the skyline permanently unbalanced (due to the stadium and 485 canyon). I think the DEC was ugly when it was the only building in the area, because it made the skyline unbalanced -- I definitely hope they don't do the same thing just when DEC's district has been built out with a number of mid-height buildings that make it look reasonable!

If we're going to get a really tall residential building, I'd love for it to go on the site of the datacenter or one of the parking decks in the "parking district" at 4th & Church.

Edited November 19, 2022 by asthasr

[RANYC]

2 hours ago, ClassicColtrane said:

Not sure what your definition of “super-tall” is, but by my count, Charlotte has 1. And that’s 1 BAC tower. 

Height distributions for commercial buildings are quite a bit different than those for residential.  Distributions for land-locked, older, built-out spots where verticality a necessity are quite a bit different than those in sunbelt places with land availability on a relative basis.  My point, however, wasn’t semantic.  Just my subjective impression of odd, even comical priorities driven by what looks like megalophilia.

 

[Hushpuppy321]

9 hours ago, JeanClt said:

Well they are fascinating and amazing structures! Not everyone knows this but engineers typically design the structure and systems that makes these amazing buildings function whilst Architecture takes the building structure and makes it look just as amazing as the systems and the structure behind its aesthetics. It’s definitely a team effort and each aspect cannot be attributed to overall any one person or profession. I’m not saying there needs to be more, but want to say there is an obsession of miniature buildings as well. 750ft (I don’t think this is what you’re saying but I’ll say it anyway) is not super tall. Although the forbidden city is not comparable (I’m assuming it’s Austin lol correct me if I’m wrong!) I’d like to see taller residential and hospitality mixed use towers. It would help uptown gain much more population density, but I wouldn’t say that those towers are the only kind I’d like. I wouldn’t also mind getting more 200-350ft towers maybe 10 or more of those!

If growth in Charlotte continues unabated you might just get your wish of 10 or more smaller Towers in the next 5 years.  They may just be disbursed throughout Uptown, Dilworth, Midtown & South End.

My guess on the LU5 Large lot @ Brooklyn Village & Mint is that there will probably be 2 Towers with a Large shared Parking Deck to support it and Retail on bottom level.   Lincoln Harris has said they want mixed use so probably won’t only be Office but maybe Residential as well.  If it has an Office Component then that would be at least tall enough to be seen during Football Games (for Signage) so in the 290’ to 400’ range.  2nd Tower may be a Podium Style building.  

Im sure LH will take whatever comes their way in order to close out this project.  Depending on possible Recession & next Development Cycle timeframe, I would guess this Lot could break ground in the next 3 years or less.

 

[TheOneRJ]

Charlotte developers are scared to go above 600 feet nowadays. Austin is putting us to shame with some of their recent announcements and the designs are much better too.

[Mid South NC]

30 minutes ago, TheOneRJ said:

Charlotte developers are scared to go above 600 feet nowadays. Austin is putting us to shame with some of their recent announcements and the designs are much better too.

Austin is surely in the process of overbuilding at the moment. Meta has recently backed out of the Austin "supertall", they had originally leased the entire 1.4 million sq ' of the tower.

https://www.globest.com/2022/11/07/meta-pulls-back-on-anchoring-austins-tallest-building/?amp=1

And if towers that only meet the definition of "supertall" are worth obsessing over then Dallas, & Houston in Texas, and most other midsize to major cities, (I can only count 6 cities in the U.S. that have at least one, completed, supertall tower) don't have any either. 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Mid South NC
Correction, Houston barely has one at 1,001'

[asthasr]

Regarding supertalls... although we're well off-topic, I will share a personal photo I took from our apartment in Ho Chi Minh City immediately prior to COVID. The HCMC supertall (Landmark 81) is visible in this photo, but which is more important to the urban fabric in this photo? The supertall, the high-rise residential (15-25 stories) buildings, or the block after uninterrupted block of 5-6 story "low-rise" houses?

Edit: why did my photo get eaten?... here, just have a link.

Edited November 21, 2022 by asthasr

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Paris with the neighborhood after quartier of Haussmann era and Haussmann-like 6 floor buildings and then the Tour Montparnasse. Which is better?

[RANYC]

32 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

Paris with the neighborhood after quartier of Haussmann era and Haussmann-like 6 floor buildings and then the Tour Montparnasse. Which is better?

Thank you.  Had never come across "Haussmann" and just finished a lengthy wikipedia entry read on him.  And in reply to your question, Haussmann in my opinion. 

I suspect our high-rise clusters give people some local grandeur and majesty to rally around and celebrate.  Majestic & towering public-owned, government-commissioned monuments would do the same, but we don't really do that as a nation any longer, so we look to private developers.  This is why the concept of Queens Park, or even the park that was proposed for the Hal Marshall site was so riveting to me...both proposals were to include stunning displays of sculptural work worthy of touristic engagement.  

[Reverie39]

Looking on Google Earth, that final lot is gigantic. I see no reason it couldn't accommodate a tower of similar size and scale to LU's BoA tower (maybe a tad smaller if they truly want to keep the latter as the centerpiece) while keeping plenty of room left for a marketplace/park/stadium-serving area (as @CharlotteWkndBuzz said). 

While I agree that clustering so many skyscrapers in this region might throw off the "balance" of the skyline, frankly I don't really care. Plenty of cities have imbalanced skylines, I mean look at Manhattan itself which has two very distinct peaks. It will still look great. So I'm with @SydneyCarton here, or at least why not something 600'+. We seem to have an absolutely endless supply of South End 300' residential, why not basically combine two of those into one huge residential tower in LU? Would bring some life to the area too.

[TheMightyBK]

Not disagreeing, but pretty sure BoA will be the tallest building in the end. It’s the centerpiece.


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[SydneyCarton]

I don’t understand why the guess of a 750’ tower turned into a frenzied Pandora’s Box.  That’s not a very tall tower in 2022.  Further, with an iconic design like this building below (just as an example), LH could add another landmark to Charlotte’s skyline.  A 750’ foot tower is very doable.  Charlotte is a rapidly growing city.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[Matthew.Brendan]

If you prefer fantasy land try here https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323 (except that is reality, for cities that aren't Charlotte)

 

[SydneyCarton]

24 minutes ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

If you prefer fantasy land try here https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323 (except that is reality, for cities that aren't Charlotte)

 

Charlotte is a booming city.  How is a 750’ tower a fantasy?  

I don’t care what LH builds.  I like all of their work whether it’s short or tall.  I’d be happy with something like the Capitol Towers in SP.

I just assumed that they’d want to build a new QC landmark to complete the project. 

Edited November 21, 2022 by SydneyCarton