Legacy Union (former Charlotte Observer redevelopment)

[SydneyCarton]

11 hours ago, videtur quam contuor said:

My wife would never walk down that street after dark even with me beside her. Daytime would be unlikely. The human abandonment safety factor for women must be considered. Theirs is a different experience.

We lived in Charlotte for many years, and my wife feels the same way about Uptown.  Apart from the  vast homeless problem, we’ve seen a lot of fights and police activity in Uptown.  The QoL has plunged.  It’s not just Charlotte though.  Homelessness and crime has soured in Chapel Hill.  Durham, moreover, is simply out of control.

[Durhamite]

10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

We lived in Charlotte for many years, and my wife feels the same way about Uptown.  Apart from the  vast homeless problem, we’ve seen a lot of fights and police activity in Uptown.  The QoL has plunged.  It’s not just Charlotte though.  Homelessness and crime has soured in Chapel Hill.  Durham, moreover, is simply out of control.

It is a statistical fact that your spouse is a greater danger to you than moseying down any random street in uptown Charlotte or downtown Durham.  Apologies for topic digression.

[AltNative]

11 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

We lived in Charlotte for many years, and my wife feels the same way about Uptown.  Apart from the  vast homeless problem, we’ve seen a lot of fights and police activity in Uptown.  The QoL has plunged.  It’s not just Charlotte though.  Homelessness and crime has soured in Chapel Hill.  Durham, moreover, is simply out of control.

My wife preemptively calls next month's music festival the "Loving Life Shooting".  Asks her coworkers, "who's going to the Loving Life shooting in May?"

It's actually a shame because the lineup is great and we would be going if it weren't uptown. Seems like every major uptown event has had a shooting recently and my wife was not at all willing to chance it. Even worse, every single friend I've asked has said the same thing "We would go if it wasn't uptown. Too many shootings. Too unsafe"

Apologies for the topic digression

 

[SydneyCarton]

44 minutes ago, AltNative said:

My wife preemptively calls next month's music festival the "Loving Life Shooting".  Asks her coworkers, "who's going to the Loving Life shooting in May?"

It's actually a shame because the lineup is great and we would be going if it weren't uptown. Seems like every major uptown event has had a shooting recently and my wife was not at all willing to chance it. Even worse, every single friend I've asked has said the same thing "We would go if it wasn't uptown. Too many shootings. Too unsafe"

Apologies for the topic digression

 

We decided not to go to that same festival for the very same reason.  What upsets me is that when I was in Charlotte last month, a fight broke out on Tryon Street at around 6 pm between  two lowlives, one of whom had a knife.  Four police cars came immediately and broke it up before anyone was hurt.  Sadly, however, a crowd was recording  the police and accusing them of being racist for breaking up a knife fight!  My whole family was astonished.  The police did a great job and averted a disaster.  As I recall, a woman was stabbed to death on Tryon Street within a few days of that incident.

As I said, this is not limited to Charlotte.  Durham is a fraction of Charlotte’s size, and it’s like  the Wild West.  

Anyway, this recent shootout in Uptown highlights the need to support the police and reclaim our cities.

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/04/17/video-shows-aftermath-apparent-vehicle-shootings-uptown-charlotte/

 

Edited April 19 by SydneyCarton

[Professor]

17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

We decided not to go to that same festival for the very same reason.  What upsets me is that when I was in Charlotte a few months ago, a fight broke out on Tryon Street at around 6 pm between  two lowlives, one of whom had a knife.  Four police cars came immediately and broke it up before anyone was hurt.  Sadly, however, a crowd was recording  the police and accusing them of being racist for breaking up a knife fight!  My whole family was astonished.  The police did a great job and averted a disaster.  As I recall, a woman was stabbed to death on Tryon Street within a few days of that incident.

As I said, this is not limited to Charlotte.  Durham is a fraction of Charlotte’s size, and it’s like  the Wild West.  

Anyway, this recent shootout in Uptown highlights the need to support the police and reclaim our cities.

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/04/17/video-shows-aftermath-apparent-vehicle-shootings-uptown-charlotte/

 

You know the idiots involved had records a mile long more than likely. The chief of police was bragging on the news the other day that major crime in the city was down in Charlotte. What a liar (manipulator). There have been 42 murders so far and were only a quarter of the way through the year unless he considers murder as a misdemeanor.  Personally, I don't care if lowlifes want to kill each other as long as that behavior stays in the bad neighborhoods. I'm tired of uptowns in American cities being destroyed because of degenerates.  I would love to see our city more civilized, and it is a bit scary knowing that for its size, it is more so than most others (in the U.S.) Maybe in the near future the trend will be for cleanliness and peacefulness instead of the insanity we see and hear today. I believe that the idea that some maniac may be in your midst is prevalent at all concerts and massive gatherings.  

[RANYC]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

We decided not to go to that same festival for the very same reason.  What upsets me is that when I was in Charlotte last month, a fight broke out on Tryon Street at around 6 pm between  two lowlives, one of whom had a knife.  Four police cars came immediately and broke it up before anyone was hurt.  Sadly, however, a crowd was recording  the police and accusing them of being racist for breaking up a knife fight!  My whole family was astonished.  The police did a great job and averted a disaster.  As I recall, a woman was stabbed to death on Tryon Street within a few days of that incident.

As I said, this is not limited to Charlotte.  Durham is a fraction of Charlotte’s size, and it’s like  the Wild West.  

Anyway, this recent shootout in Uptown highlights the need to support the police and reclaim our cities.

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/04/17/video-shows-aftermath-apparent-vehicle-shootings-uptown-charlotte/

 

Uptown needs improvement and big cities all across America need more effective and continuous security strategies.  I think the dangers faced in downtowns are often overstated because you’re often walking around with the mentally deranged or someone tweaking.  The perception of danger driven by oddly behaving and aggressive characters is often worse than the statistical reality of any danger you face.  

Also, I think lovin life will do well.  Why?  Because of young people, and Charlotte’s got a lot [of youth].  They’re pretty fearless.  Also, as thick as the crowds will be, I’d like to think the security scrutiny will be intense and it’ll probably be the safest anyone has been in uptown in many years.  

I lived in Manhattan for 14 years and saw some of everything so I’m fairly impervious to certain shock scenarios you get in American downtowns.  I’d hoped that Charlotte might be some sort of urban oasis given I’d come here from NYC in 2016, visited uptown, and was blown away by how active the streetscapes were but also how clean and comfortable they were.  I thought, really, this exists in a sunbelt city?  So I moved here nearly 3 years later.  And now I realize it’s got issues just like everyone else and doesn’t possess any sort of urban sustainability secret.  So there ya have it.

Edited April 19 by RANYC

[DonkeyKong]

Uptown has gotten much worse over the last 5-7 years.  I lived uptown in 4th ward and never saw what I see today.  Shooting were rare, not nearly the amount of homeless that there is now. It was clean and very safe.  The city and county leaders need to do better!

[go_vertical]

I saw a brief news report regarding crime stats on one of the local channels recently it said that overall crime in Charlotte was up 3% in the first quarter of 2024.  I believe the uptick in the murder rate was the bulk of that 3%.

[Rufus]

Can we move this conversation to the Off-Topic thread? It's become ad nauseam for some posters to commandeer various threads talking about homeless, but now to use the tasteless shooting vernacular in a downtown music festival? It seriously is in poor taste, and not relevant to this thread no matter how you try and spin it. Stop it. Just stop it. It's ruining this site to go to every development post and find the same posters talking about the same issues. 

Some of us come to these threads to discuss merits of the individual project, not to use it as our void to shout our gripes about the city and its "safety" and yes that is in quotes bc you clearly choose to pick and see what you want instead of understanding real crime statistics and context. Like for frick's sake...there is a thread about this in the Coffehouse. Go there. Stop. 

It's ruining this site. 

[Professor]

1 hour ago, DonkeyKong said:

Uptown has gotten much worse over the last 5-7 years.  I lived uptown in 4th ward and never saw what I see today.  Shooting were rare, not nearly the amount of homeless that there is now. It was clean and very safe.  The city and county leaders need to do better!

Between "65" and probably "80", downtown was very dangerous. I remember when downtown was off-limits to certain government employees. Fourth Ward was a nice, well kept victorian community that became  a ghetto until around 1980 when it started regaining it's identity again through gentrification.  There is a serious need for lots more police officers walking the uptown beat. 

[QCxpat]

Today 9:00 a.m.

Edited April 29 by QCxpat

[DJ8hep]

Meant to post these yesterday!

[michaelef]

13 hours ago, DJ8hep said:

 

 

Wasn't a video board going on this side?

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

Yes and two smaller ones facing Tryon too. Semi blue font but that section would be perfect for one of those 3D video boards lol. 
 

CBJ: https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/10/20/legacy-union-office-tower-uptown-lincoln-harris.html

 

Edited May 9 by CharlotteWkndBuzz

[QCxpat]

Today 9:10 a.m.   -  600 South Tryon, 24-story office tower, height: 318 ft. / 96.9 m.

Edited May 26 by QCxpat

[DonkeyKong]

Any word on the timing of the residential component of this project?

[KJHburg]

I found the proposals for the last 2 towers at Legacy on the Honeywell block.  It will be 2 twin towers of office space on top of a 9000 parking space deck with one entrance and exit.  They have the 1 retail spot leased to a drive through coffee shop inside the deck so people backed up can order a coffee to go or whilst coming into the massive largest deck in the Carolinas.  

[DJ8hep]

3 hours ago, KJHburg said:

I found the proposals for the last 2 towers at Legacy on the Honeywell block.  It will be 2 twin towers of office space on top of a 9000 parking space deck with one entrance and exit.  They have the 1 retail spot leased to a drive through coffee shop inside the deck so people backed up can order a coffee to go or whilst coming into the massive largest deck in the Carolinas.  

I had to look them up! It appears there has been no permit activity for just over a year on both towers:

Residential tower -

https://webpermit.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Project&PosseObjectId=611935253

Office tower -

https://webpermit.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Project&PosseObjectId=611923195

Edited May 30 by DJ8hep

[DJ8hep]

Walk by today; imagining those towers now…

[KJHburg]

Photos today.  600 South Tryon tower is looking good and I think their retail spaces are better laid out than the other buildings but we will see.