Orlando Transit

[codypet]

On 4/9/2022 at 1:31 PM, prahaboheme said:

The Colosseum perhaps — a perfectly sized stadium that will be used again for the LA Olympic Games in a few years.

I still can't believe that NASCAR pulled this off this year.

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, codypet said:

I still can't believe that NASCAR pulled this off this year.

I was skeptical but NASCAR seems to have come kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’ve been impressed they finally seem to have the people in place to update the sport.

[codypet]

1 minute ago, spenser1058 said:

I was skeptical but NASCAR seems to have come kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’ve been impressed they finally seem to have the people in place to update the sport.

They had no choice.  All their superstars retired and they're losing ground fast to F1 especially with younger people.   Rumor is one of the lower tier series will go all electric too.  They're trying to tow the balance between going back to their roots with short tracks and attracting younger viewers with road courses, and new cars.

[Urban Mail Carrier]

Speaking of NASCAR I deliver mail to one of their Spokesman. Just moved in from NYC and he was hired to make the sport more appealing to minorities. He was pushing it on me big time but I’ve never been interested in NASCAR because of its history, origins and countless left turns in their closed circuit race tracks. Unlike FORMULA1 which seems more exciting to me personally because of the international appeal and  twisty turvy race tracks.

[cubanbread]

On 4/8/2022 at 6:55 PM, jrs2 said:

I think conceptually Disney may demand this, but not necessarily versus Universal.  See my response to the new poster from Tampa.

I personally think a station at Hard Rock Casino would be brilliant for BL, but I also think Disney would negotiate somehow to have the right to veto it based on their track record to date in CFLA...

I'm unfamiliar, has Disney been vocal in blocking casinos in Florida in the past? 

[shardoon]

27 minutes ago, cubanbread said:

I'm unfamiliar, has Disney been vocal in blocking casinos in Florida in the past? 

Disney funded all the PACs that were against casinos. 

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, shardoon said:

Disney funded all the PACs that were against casinos. 

In the Chapek era, the company has been rethinking their strategy on gambling (it’s going to be almost a necessity for ESPN). It may provide an opening for the first time as it affects Florida. It seems “The Brand” is taking more of a back seat than it did with Bob Iger.

[HankStrong]

Plus it's a cesspool and a dump.

[spenser1058]

2 minutes ago, HankStrong said:

Plus it's a cesspool and a dump.

I assume you mean the Tampa Hard Rock? I’ve always wondered since I’ve never been.  It seemed like they would have to upgrade the facilities once they added the Hard Rock flag but I guess not.

[HankStrong]

2 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

I assume you mean the Tampa Hard Rock? I’ve always wondered since I’ve never been.  It seemed like they would have to upgrade the facilities once they added the Hard Rock flag but I guess not.

Somehow I missed like 20 messages.  I was actually referring to the Citrus Bowl.

[spenser1058]

3 minutes ago, HankStrong said:

Somehow I missed like 20 messages.  I was actually referring to the Citrus Bowl.

Ahhhh

[jrs2]

6 hours ago, cubanbread said:

I'm unfamiliar, has Disney been vocal in blocking casinos in Florida in the past? 

oh yes.  in fact, Disney has already gone up against Seminole Indian Tribe who wanted to build a theme park/casino off of Neptune in Osceola County.  I thought it was a brilliant idea actually.  But they killed it.  And they will kill any efforts at a Hard Rock Station ala BL in Tampa I would guaranty you.  I would take the train to go there in a heart beat, but HSR brings Hard Rock "closer" to Disney (and not in an NIN sort of way), and as such would be perceived as a threat of stealing away tourist dollars.

5 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

I assume you mean the Tampa Hard Rock? I’ve always wondered since I’ve never been.  It seemed like they would have to upgrade the facilities once they added the Hard Rock flag but I guess not.

Hard Rock Tampa is cool.  you pull into the garage literally on the floor of the skywalk into the entrance.  Very civilized.  Now they've expanded it even more with a few new casino rooms and the hotel tower. 

I mean, Hollywood Hard Rock is an insane place.  But Tampa's is a good destination.  It's fun.  Casinos are always fun.  Just ask Roth and Dan Tanna.

[dcluley98]

Interesting video. Nothing definitive or anything we haven't already discussed, but similar discussion in video form: 

 

[spenser1058]

On 4/11/2022 at 6:07 PM, jrs2 said:

oh yes.  in fact, Disney has already gone up against Seminole Indian Tribe who wanted to build a theme park/casino off of Neptune in Osceola County.  I thought it was a brilliant idea actually.  But they killed it.  And they will kill any efforts at a Hard Rock Station ala BL in Tampa I would guaranty you.  I would take the train to go there in a heart beat, but HSR brings Hard Rock "closer" to Disney (and not in an NIN sort of way), and as such would be perceived as a threat of stealing away tourist dollars.

Hard Rock Tampa is cool.  you pull into the garage literally on the floor of the skywalk into the entrance.  Very civilized.  Now they've expanded it even more with a few new casino rooms and the hotel tower. 

I mean, Hollywood Hard Rock is an insane place.  But Tampa's is a good destination.  It's fun.  Casinos are always fun.  Just ask Roth and Dan Tanna.

Oh my, @jrs2, a Dan Tanna endorsement? You know, of course, Robert Urich was a ‘Nole (he and Burt Reynolds were bffs). In fact, on Urich’s next show, “Spenser:For Hire”, there’s an early episode with a kid with a Florida Gator toy on his bulletin board and Spenser knocked it around while saying, “Gators, hate’em, hate ‘em” (that was a conceit of the TV show by the way - in the books, Spenser did not go to school in Florida).

Edited April 17, 2022 by spenser1058

[jrs2]

13 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Oh my, @jrs2, a Dan Tanna endorsement? You know, of course, Robert Urich was a ‘Nole (he and Burt Reynolds were bffs). In fact, on Urich’s next show, “Spenser:For Hire”, there’s an early episode with a kid with a Florida Gator toy on his bulletin board and Spenser knocked it around while saying, “Gators, hate’em, hate ‘em” (that was a conceit of the TV show by the way - in the books, Spenser did not go to school in Florida).

Yep, I knew both he and Burt were Seminoles...I used to watch the Bobby Bowden show and Burt would come on.  He's one of my fav actors (was, but always will be).  Dan Tanna was awesome.

I did not know that about Spenser For Hire.  That's awesome...

21 hours ago, dcluley98 said:

Interesting video. Nothing definitive or anything we haven't already discussed, but similar discussion in video form: 

 

Great video.

Well, he shows the route intersections at 12:13.  Clears it up a bit...

I think Disney will agree to this with one condition...that the Disney station opens at the same time as the I-Drive station...so if Sunrail builds the line (the State), they will do it all the way to Diz Springs so that Disney doesn't get left out in the wind if for some reason the rest of the leg to Tampa gets delayed.  

[AndyPok1]

On 4/10/2022 at 8:05 PM, dcluley98 said:

Sorry. 

"Nilbog is Goblin spelled backwards!" 

I just wanted to say I VERY much appreciated this reference.

On 4/11/2022 at 11:14 AM, cubanbread said:

I'm unfamiliar, has Disney been vocal in blocking casinos in Florida in the past? 

In the past yes, but they were actually unlikely bedfellows in 2018 on Issue 3 with Seminoles.  I don't think history has as much consequence as usual in this case.

On 4/11/2022 at 12:15 PM, spenser1058 said:

I assume you mean the Tampa Hard Rock? I’ve always wondered since I’ve never been.  It seemed like they would have to upgrade the facilities once they added the Hard Rock flag but I guess not.

Tampa Hard Rock is a legit destination casino.  Is it as good as Hollywood?  No, but that's the flagship.  As their sister property, it's more than acceptable.

[dcluley98]

 

[AmIReal]

Thanks @dcluley98that was a good overview. I think we often get tied up in the big projects like I4 and SunRail, but it is really Lynx that is the backbone. Nice to see them discuss it.

[Jernigan]

Good overview but didnt win over and nay votes with that type of coverage.  Just affirmed that transit is for people who dont have a car and that this sales tax would be to make their lives easier with no direct benefit to the 80% commuting by car.

 

[Urban Mail Carrier]

Im Pro penny sales tax but I’m not feeling good about this. Hopefully Demings  can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Urban Mail Carrier

[Jernigan]

Gotta priortitize the Whats in it for me messaging.  This is a mid term election.  We know who is and isnt coming to the polls.

Apopka is the 2nd biggest city in the county.  Gotta throw put “potential” travel times from Apopka to DTO on SunRail.

Got to throw out some sort of hypothetical UCF to DTO or OIA thing.   What about Winter Garden?  Doesnt even have to be real,   But thats a lot of voters.

Personally, i think nights and weekends are important and should be included in the messaging but Seminole and Osceola County voters arent part of this.   
 

Transit is all but nonexistent east of Semoran and west of Kirkman.  The benefits need to be spelled out like you are explaining it to a selfish 5 year old.

[dcluley98]

I mean, the biggest benefit is to those without cars and people who need the service. 

The Airport Connector is the main other difference, which is a key to the whole thing, IMO. 

[spenser1058]

Universal, SunRail, Brightline eye $1B rail expansion from Orlando airport to I-Drive
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/transportation/os-ne-brightline-sunrail-universal-deal-20220505-jxod4cgkabbsnp5pmniaiq43mi-story.html

A presentation Thursday called the “first salvo” by Orlando’s mayor shows Brightline, SunRail and Universal working toward building passenger-rail tracks from Orlando’s airport to a station near the Orange County Convention Center and then to south International Drive. Dubbed the “Sunshine Corridor,” the tracks and station would cost roughly $1 billion, though no design has been done for a cost estimate, and are envisioned for hourly Brightline trains and quarter-hour SunRail service. As part of the presentation and for the first time publicly, Universal and International Drive partners disclosed pledges of $125 million for rail and station construction, 13 acres for a station site, a guaranteed $13 million in annual ticket sales and $2 million annually for maintenance.

From The Sentinel 

[codypet]

Shades of old HSR.

[Urban Mail Carrier]

TV News reporting is giving me the impression that the 417 option is no longer being pursued.