Portman SouthEnd – Hawkins btw Ashton and Sycamore.

[Guest]

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2018/10/31/portman-holdings-planning-mixed-use-project-at.html?ana=TWT_staffES

I think this needs its own topic as well. The Southend Submarket is heating up tremendously, and believe me, its not done. I've heard rumors of another 2 hotels, and another 2 office buildings.  Will be interesting to see how they address it being on a tertiary street.

Sounds like this building will be similar size to Dimensional Place. I'd be guessing they go up to 180-200' to try to steal some views from Ashton. #SouthendRising

Edited October 31, 2018 by Guest

[SouthEndCLT811]

Someone check on cadi40 today, they might be having a heart attack over all this new height in Southend!

[EllAyyDub]

Was wondering when this would break.  Definitely needs its own topic.  From what I hear this will get moving quickly.  I think Spectrum & Beacon may have announced their intentions for their sites knowing this was coming.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, EllAyyDub said:

Was wondering when this would break.  Definitely needs its own topic.  From what I hear this will get moving quickly.  I think Spectrum & Beacon may have announced their intentions for their sites knowing this was coming.

Haha, don't be afraid to speak up! I just found out about this yesterday haha.

Edited October 31, 2018 by Guest

[atlrvr]

Any clue if Portman already has an anchor tenant?

Also....it would be great if all the new developments pitched in and built an elevated with ramps rail crossing, instead of the $2+mm thing in planning.  If they could get rid of signalling, it might not be THAT much more to do it right.

[Scribe]

8 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Also....it would be great if all the new developments pitched in and built an elevated with ramps rail crossing, instead of the $2+mm thing in planning.  If they could get rid of signalling, it might not be THAT much more to do it right.

I second that!

[CLTProductions]

43 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Any clue if Portman already has an anchor tenant?

Also....it would be great if all the new developments pitched in and built an elevated with ramps rail crossing, instead of the $2+mm thing in planning.  If they could get rid of signalling, it might not be THAT much more to do it right.

No tenant yet. Close

[kermit]

Sounds like a good project, but like the DFA building, it sucks they gotta take down a pretty decent building to do it. This is doubly true when their is a derelect, condemend, warehouse directly across the street.

[Cadi40]

7 hours ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

Someone check on cadi40 today, they might be having a heart attack over all this new height in Southend!

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers, I’m doing OK.  Just drinking plenty of fluids.

[tarhoosier]

Shook stays in the new building? Unclear from article.

Edited October 31, 2018 by tarhoosier

[lancer22]

7 hours ago, Jayvee said:

No tenant yet. Close

Let me guess, 200K sf user looking for mid 2020

 

[archiham04]

15 hours ago, kermit said:

Sounds like a good project, but like the DFA building, it sucks they gotta take down a pretty decent building to do it. This is doubly true when their is a derelect, condemend, warehouse directly across the street.

I don't know... that building feels kind of non-descript to me.  Don't get me wrong, I like the work that Shook does, I just was a little underwhelmed when I saw the building.  The interior is awesome... but most of it is set back from the street., not very Urban feeling from Hawkins.  The DFA was truly a loss of urban fabric that will be difficult to replace.

[kermit]

2 hours ago, archiham04 said:

I don't know... that building feels kind of non-descript to me.  Don't get me wrong, I like the work that Shook does, I just was a little underwhelmed when I saw the building.  The interior is awesome... but most of it is set back from the street., not very Urban feeling from Hawkins.  The DFA was truly a loss of urban fabric that will be difficult to replace.

Yea, fair point about the building's situation with respect to the street. I really just know this building by its 'front porch' facing onto the railtrail and the RT facing markets that it hosts.

 

[archiham04]

I like the rail trial side too.... I actually had to add the "from Hawkins" comment while typing to temper my criticism

[archiham04]

So I was chatting with an engineer that is a tenant in the shook building and they were speculating that the building would be 25-30 stories... this seemed rather high to me so I got to thinking... what is the floor plate of the previous portman tower?  20,000 (based on a google map measure).  He is a spec office guy so he probably goes for efficiency.  if 20k is his magic number for floor plate efficiency, then 260000/20000 would put this at 13 floors of office + 5? floors of parking + 1? floor of ground level retail?  Could this be pushing 20 stories?

[Hushpuppy321]

10 minutes ago, archiham04 said:

So I was chatting with an engineer that is a tenant in the shook building and they were speculating that the building would be 25-30 stories... this seemed rather high to me so I got to thinking... what is the floor plate of the previous portman tower?  20,000 (based on a google map measure).  He is a spec office guy so he probably goes for efficiency.  if 20k is his magic number for floor plate efficiency, then 260000/20000 would put this at 13 floors of office + 5? floors of parking + 1? floor of ground level retail?  Could this be pushing 20 stories?

It may have to be because the adjacent apartments would be blocking a lot of views of Uptown

[KJHburg]

If it is a podium style building it could be 20 stories but remember that is about the same height of a 15 story building or so due to the smaller ceiling heights of parking levels. 

[archiham04]

Rezoning petition is requesting 250': https://charlottenc.gov/planning/Rezoning/RezoningPetitions/2018Petitions/Pages/2018-144.aspx

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, archiham04 said:

Rezoning petition is requesting 250': https://charlottenc.gov/planning/Rezoning/RezoningPetitions/2018Petitions/Pages/2018-144.aspx

good for 2nd tallest in Southend behind the pink building.

[C85]

24 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

good for 2nd tallest in Southend behind the pink building.

Haha you mean tied for second tallest because of the spectrum project.

[Guest]

Just now, C85 said:

Haha you mean tied for second tallest because of the spectrum project.

good point. The hotel at spectrum will be shooting for the same height.

[SydneyCarton]

44 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

good for 2nd tallest in Southend behind the pink building.

That Pepto Bismol building is terrible.

[C85]

17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That Pepto Bismol building is terrible.

I don't like it but it's not that bad.

[CTiger]

20 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That Pepto Bismol building is terrible.

I like it solely because everytime that I have people visit Charlotte who have never been here before, they ask "What the hell is up with that pink building?"

Love it or hate it, you can't ignore it and it is certainly a unique feature in the skyline.

Edited December 20, 2018 by CTiger

[archiham04]

Spectrum will be slightly taller on the skyline because it is on property that is 15 feet further above sea level.