Go Gators!

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Gator Mens BB beat Vandy on Saturday.  They are showing a little bit move consistency, which is essential towards the end of the regular season.

this is big regarding the NCAA's ability to enforce NIL rules:

 

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Gayterz beat Bama in BB; a revenge game.  they played solid.  So...maybe they are getting a little bit more consistent.  they are ranked, but so is SoCar and UF lost to them on Saturday.  The SEC has got like 6 or more teams either ranked or with at least 20 wins.  That's pretty good for the SEC.  Next year Texas and OU BB will join, and those two programs are pretty decent in those sports too...

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So, UF BB finished the regular season inconsistently.  They lost by 1 to Vandy over the weekend.  I am not sure about picking them in a bracket to advance far at all.

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Oh man, they really tried to tank against UGA and their former HC.  But they pulled it off.

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So, Golden thus far this year is 3-1 in the post season, in the SECT.  Last year, he was 0-1 in the SECT and 0-1 in the NIT.  He's got 24 wins thus far.  They've got an injury or two though. Not sure how the NCAAT will pan out.

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scored a hundred and still lost.  

Takeaways from Season 2 under Golden:  won 24 games.  very good.  no defense to speak of on average.  but a big improvement by winning 24 games, advancing to the SECTCG, and by getting an NCAAT bid.  All improvements over Year One.

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if SOS had Graham Mertz, UF would be playing for the national title.

if the defense tightens up, that 30ppg average can yield a whole lotta wins.

O&B Game was on Saturday.

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prediction of where FSU and Clemson go after litigation versus ACC.  if you read the comments, all of the fanboys of FSU spout off so much vitriol, its amazing...the SEC doesn't want them...they make more money than 2/3 of SEC teams...blah blah blah.  FSU ducked the SEC in 1990, an article was written about it in SI, and everybody knows it.  Now they are cry babies because they think their brand is worth more than it actually is...  Whatever that value is, it was not nearly enough last year to get a final four spot in The CFP.  they got dropped like a Group of Five team in that ranking.  And then all of their players jumped ship before the UGA game.  Top-down, that tree is rotten.  

It's funny, because when they actually played SEC teams that were actually good, they got beat bad those years.  They are cry babies as seen at the end of 2023, in the beginning of 2024, and whether it was their HC, AD, or players themselves- or fans.  I seriously doubt the B1G would feel any improvement to its brand with their addition.  Maybe with Clemson, but not with Fsu.

Fsu was the team that ducked the SEC, chased Miami as best they could, has gone to The State for money that their boosters should have paid for, for campus improvements; they're the school where UF was forced to collaborate with them just so that they could have a pseudo medical school.  I mean, UCF is light years ahead of Fsu in that department.  And...USF is a recent member of the AAU, while Fsu is nowhere near getting that designation.  UF has been an AAU member since the 1980's by comparison.

Back to football.  But football is also tied into the AAU status, so, why would the B1G want them?  So many analysts have been asking this question.  But, the fsu ego seems to think their sh!t don't stink.  It takes more than a large brickworks project on a stadium to make a quality institution.

I said it months back the B1G would reject them.  And when you send the message of being a school that does not play well with others, especially with your conference, why would a conference want that headache?

And as far as ducking the SEC went, they didn't duck the SEC in 2006, they ducked them in 1990, when no SEC team had won the national title since Bama in 1978/79, and UGA in 1980...and then computer poll #1's for UF in '84, and '85.  But, the SEC made a strong showing in 1989 when Bama, Auburn, and UT were all very good.  But, back then, the standard for "good" was Miami and then FSU...with a smattering of ND.  The SEC schools were not seen as that big of a threat.  That's the SEC that Fsu was ducking.  And that's pretty bad.  As I have stated, when they joined the ACC in 1992, the first game they lost in the ACC was in 1995, to UVA.  And noone was any good in the ACC those years sans maybe one Mack Brown UNC squad in maybe 1992 with Natrone Means at RB.  But, give UVA its due with the Barber Bros...

And then with all the cheating that went on...it explained a lot about how they got that level of talent on that campus in the '90's.  Sure, a lot of schools may or may not have been doing "things" back then, but UF stayed clear of that stuff because of the debacle in 1984- if you read an article about it, UF got bad legal advice and could have contested it- and played for the national title.  Fsu benefitted from UF's lost scholarships from 1985 and 1986, and coincidentally, when UF's 1987 squad was just as good as anyone's out there yet lacked critical depth, it ran out of steam to the tune of a 6-5 regular season record when it's starting talent was good enough to go 10-1 or better, which is what Fsu did.  So, yeah, I'm still bitter about those years, when UF was churning through a schedule that mandated playing Fsu, Miami (until 1988), LSU, UGA, Auburn, and either Bama or UT in home and aways, while Fsu, while aside from playing Miami and UF every year, played a good team mixed in less often, because they were Independent.

Since the SEC and B1G have been in talks about some sort of alliance versus the rest of the NCAA, I wouldn't be surprised if...over, say drinks, both are unofficially evaluating the fsU situation in terms of letting that program stagnate and devalue.

 

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back to my prior rant... 

FSU was a copycat school of Miami, right up to the exodus into conferences by The Independents.  ND stayed as an Independent.  But Penn St, winner of the '82 and '86 National titles, conferenced up eventually for the 1994 season.  Miami did for the 1991 season, along with Syracuse, VaTech, Pitt, BC, Rutgers, WVU, in the Big East.  Once that happened, the SEC invited fsU and Saint Bobby rejected them.  He opted for the cush ACC instead.  That same year, The SEC innovated by opting for Arkansas and South Carolina instead, and created a CCG scenario.  It was a success, a moneymaker, and helped the winner get a spot in the NC.  Any conference could have done it, but no one did until 1996, when the Big 8 and SWC merged kind of.  That game actually benefitted UF by allowing a rematch against fsU that yielded a 52-20 drubbing for the NC.  Those schools I listed above conferenced up and most had stellar records over the prior five seasons- but they did it anyway.  Fsu had Miami on its schedule anyways, so they didn't "need" to play in the Big East to play them.  Nor did they need the SEC to play UF.  So they opted for a cush conference schedule instead.  Miami didn't...and Miami was playing for the title in 1991, 1992, and 1994, and then should have in 2000, did in 2001 and 2002.  And they played in a conference where VaTech played for it in 1999.  Who from the ACC ever played for it from 1992 to Clemson other than fsU?  Nobody.

So, in 1996, the SEC and Big12 both had a CCG.  UF won the National title in 1996, Tennessee in 1998, and OU in 2000.  Tennessee played for it in 1997.  UF played for it in 1995.  And UF would have played for it in 1993, 1994, 1998, and 1999, but not for losses or ties to fsU.

What's my point?  My point is that the SEC was ahead of the curve, and still is, and their strategy for college football influenced the Big12 by 1996, and the B1G a few years after that, and then eventually the ACC, where fsU was.  The problem is that UF was a money maker for the SEC; so was LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, and then Texas A&M by 2012.  Who was the moneymaker for the ACC?  Clemson?  So, what we have here is a team, fsU, that chose the ACC because it was cush schedule-wise.  But, cush schedule-wise also means those teams are not big money makers.  You make your bed and then you sleep in it.

People don't realize that fsU was on its way down after Charlie Ward left.  Kannell was good but not great, and Busby was worse, and, and, but for Weinke coming back from baseball to take over for the 1998, 1999, and 2000 seasons, they would have sucked, because his heir apparent was Chris Rix, who sucked.  They all sucked in the 2000's until Crab Legs in 2013-14.  Tell me I'm wrong.  UF beat them 6 years in a row from 2004-2009.  UF sucked in 2004.  And, UF was on its way down when Meyer quit on the team in 2010.  But Muschamp slaughtered them in Tally in 2012.  But UF sucked in 2013, 14, and McElwain couldn't finish a season and lost in 2015, 16, and 2017.  Mullen killed them in 2018 and 2019, and fsU ducked UF in 2020, and UF would have slaughtered them.  UF beat them in 2021 with no HBC, but in 2022 and 2023 Napier decided to play the long game ala rebuilding, which allowed fsU to win those games and make Norvell look like a good coach.

Why does that matter?  Because here's why:  Fsu are cry babies with a sense of entitlement.  Burt ain't around anymore.  Saint Bobby is long gone.  Even Jimbo told them to take a hike in favor of Texas A&M money; made them look like punks, much like that QB that jumped for Deion's team ala NIL.  When SOS left, he left for the NFL, and when he was available again, UF had hired Bernie as UF president, who was tight with Urban, who was all the rage.  So UF went with Urban and SOS went to SoCar.  Jimbo left fsU b/c they are usually in the red.  If they weren't in the red, they wouldn't be crying like babies about the ACC.  Because now, they see, that their Group of Five level 13-0 just don't mean much to The CFP.  All this talk about the value of fsu football is bologna.  If it really had value, they would have made The CFP...but it doesn't.  And fsu fans are the ONLY fans out there that disagree.  But fans, who have been paying attention to college football the past 40 years, see the truth.  And it was evident in 2023.

UF sucked the past three years, yet UF made head over heals more money than fsu could ever hope for.  That's why fsU is pissed. Because when they suck, they have nothing to lean on- UF does.  So fsU wants what UF has- they won't ever get it.  The B1G may invite them, but I doubt it, because they don't need them; noone does.  When fsU was an Independent, all they needed to do was to schedule an Oklahoma or Ohio St., or an LSU, or an Notre Dame, and if they beat them, they would rise in the polls and get that berth in the big money game, the national title game.  And they didn't have to share the money with anybody.  So, when fsU went to the Fiesta Bowl in 1989 and UF went to the lowly Freedom Bowl, fsU was the big winner, and the gloated about it.  But now, they are the big losers, only having the mincing of words as their temporary brash chest thumping right up to the moment when they realize only the Big12 will take them if the leave the ACC.

Why not sue ESPN for being cheap with their conference while their at it?  F*ck you.

You made your bed, sleep in it.  It takes more than a major brickworks project to make a school good.  Ask any B1G member institution.  Shoot, ask USF, new members of the AAU.  Man, even UCF has bested fsU with regards to a med school infrastructure.  What is wrong with them? 

I cannot stand fsU for all of these reasons and so many more.

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So there was something I left out from earlier.   

Apparently, the way they used to do it before, was the networks could make a deal with the individual school as opposed to the conference (like with ND and NBC).  But that changed.  and the beauty of it was that The SEC created value when they went to a divisional playoff game.  This, plus SOS and Gene Stallings at Bama and Fulmer at UT with Peyton and upstart years with UGA and decent years with Auburn gave a huge edge to The SEC with great squads in 1990, 1991, a national champ in Bama in '92, and late season contenders in '93, '94, an NC appearance by UF in '95, a NC by UF over fsU in '96, an NC appearance by UT in '97, the NC by UT in '98, late season contention by UF in '98 and '99 and '01.  By '96, the SEC's push for prominence started the divisional trend in other conferences when they saw the $$$ that was being made and all the ancillary benefits as well. 

All of the SEC schools started making even more money across the board (like the B1G schools).  Vandy, which sucks at football, makes more money than fsU makes.  Actually, I mean just from football.  Vandy's endowment even puts UF to shame.  Imagine what it does to fsU. They could buy fsu several times over. 

It's so funny because the respect that Clemson has is way more than what fsU has.  Clemson had so many CFP berths it's sick.  fsU only had the one in 2014.  That's an even deeper issue that fsU fans and admin won't even address:  how does a 13-0 fsU not garner the respect that a 1-loss Clemson program does on any other year from, say 2015, to 2022?  It's not the ACC; it's fsu, which is funny.  Clemson has been a conference team since 1953 and won a NC in 1981; fsU has been in a conference since 1992 and finally won one in '93.  Regarding academics, all those years in the ACC (31 years) did not help fsU get AAU status.  31 years.  The whole time fsu's war chant was we're gonna be better in BB now!  F*ck you.  UF was already a member of the AAU years before fsU even joined the ACC. Fsu's 13-0 in 2023 was akin to UCF's undefeated season in 2017.  I bet you that UCF squad would have beaten Fsu's 2023 squad.

Fsu's brand isn't even as good as Washington's brand, from the Pacific Time Zone, and they couldn't best them in the rankings.  Forget Bama and Texas; fsu's brand doesn't come close.  Texas has more money than any of these guys.  And Michigan...no comparison.  fsu ran through a weak schedule and everybody knows it.  Even Clemson was down.  The Gators sucked.  LSU started the season late.  If fsu played them in October, they'd be toast.  The CFP knew all of this.  Even The ACC knew this...everyone knew except fsu, the entitled a55holes of college football.  Seriously, I would rag on UCF in the G5 with all of their crying and aspirations for a 1 for 1 with UF, but, geez, 2023 pretty much shows the country that fsu was nothing more than a G5 team.  Yeah...a G5 team...because only G5 teams go 13-0 and get shut out of a four team playoff.  It's ain't the ACC, as Clemson has proved time and again; it's fsU.

Everybody also knows that fsu ducked UF with Trask in 2020 with the excuse of not scheduling a non-conference game b/c of covid- YET THEY DID ANYWAY.  They would have been drilled and they know it.  UF had a powerful team in 2020 and fsU was trash.

Respect.  Fsu knows they don't got it no more.  They had it in the '90's, but couldn't maintain it.  They tried to maintain it with a cush conference schedule as long as they could.  fsU is now a joke.  The marquis team in the ACC clearly is Clemson.  If fsu leaves the ACC and makes it into the B1G, for instance, they will not come close to being the marquis team there.  They couldn't even be that in the ACC, what make them think they could in the B1G?  They would have to contend with Michigan, Ohio St., Penn State, Wisconsin, and the new additions from the PAC, and like I stated earlier, fsU's 13-0 didn't amount to much compared to Washington's.  Now add Washington to the B1G.  It just keeps getting worse for fsu.

If fsu goes to the Big12, they go to UCF's new conference.  UCF.  Fsu would be in the same conference as UCF.  Wow.  What a downgrade.  Their best hope is to stay in the ACC and hope it's clout increases and try to best Clemson again.  They won't make it in the SEC (See UGA and UF when UF is good).  Fsu is pretty much done.  This sh!t show in court versus the ACC won't end well.  Why do they think another conference is drooling to have them join when they are suing the conference they are currently in?  Because why, because the ACC made a bad deal but they assume the B1G will make a good deal so that fsU doesn't have to sue them too, or the SEC, or whomever?  If fsu's brand is THAT good, then do what Notre Dame is doing.  Good luck.

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how can I summarize this as succinctly as possible:

at a time when the Independents were conferencing up (in the '90's), fsu decided to reject the SEC's invite in favor of an easier conference in the ACC.  The name of the game going into the '90's was getting the bid to the major NYD Bowl.  But, the innovation that the SEC did with divisional play, influenced the rest of college football, and became a major money maker for the networks.  fsu's ACC finally did do divisional play, but, Saint Bobby was retiring and the fsu faithful thought their CIW's persona would carry over from Saint Bobby's absence, especially since they won the NC in 2013 with Crab Legs.  But, something happened...fsu started sucking and Clemson started getting really good.  Clemson made the CFP several times and won 2 CFP's while fsu was sucking under Jimbo.  But then something happened...Jimbo dumped fsu for Texas A&M.  2018.  Then Jimbo's replacement absolutely stunk.  Then fsu ducked UF in 2020, then fsu got dumped by the CFP in 2023 like a Group of Five team.

fsu may complain about the ACC's deal with ESPN, but, Clemson seemed to be perfectly fine with it all those years they were getting bids to the CFP.    

its the brand.  their brand suffered when they went the p*ssy way out in 1992.  And it finally reared its ugly head when they realized their brand wasn't even as good as upstart Washington Huskies in an already criticized PAC-10.  Their 13-0 was trash.

 

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So, what we have here is a combination of things:  a weak brand, a weak schedule, and fsu pointing the fingers at The ACC, which is a basketball conference (or was) when fsu decided to join them, knowing this, yet joined them anyway, and now is suing them.  Fsu sucked in 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, and arguably in 2016 & 2015, yet they blame The ACC for their brand suffering.  Maybe if they were good all those years IN A ROW and went toe to toe with Clemson the ACC's overall brand AND THEIR BRAND would have been stronger, like back when it was usually Miami vs FSU in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, where the winner would by default go on and play for the NC.  Miami would play for the NC in 1987, 1989, 1991, 1994, and Fsu played for it in 1993, and both lost an extra game in 1990 and 1992.  During those years in the late '80's and forward, fsU's brand was perceivably strong, because of a consistent showing on the field year after year.  But, when a team starts to suck and lose to Wake Forest every other year, and lave losing records consistently, the brand starts to suck.

Yet it's the ACC"s fault; the weak ACC is responsible for fsU sucking and not having a good record year after year-yet Clemson was able to do that and get several CFP bids.     

Now all of the sudden- it is the fault of the ACC.  

Do people even understand this?  

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38122958/florida-state-consider-leaving-acc-due-revenue-distribution

this is from last August.  The ACC was looking to reward schools based on performance on the field.  However, fsU wanted to get rewarded by TV marketability.  So, fsU wanted to get paid for having a larger fan base than the other ACC schools regardless of their performance on the field.  F*ck you.  That would explain knocking the Duke QB out of the game in 2023.  That's the definition of headhunting.  Schools will do whatever it takes to win because money is involved, including injuring opponents' star players.  I guess the ACC would be partly to blame for this.  In the SEC, all of the schools make the same money; Vandy makes what Bama makes.

https://apnews.com/article/florida-state-acc-conference-realignment-c10c2ec83dbd59d6281f98a18ebd8bf5

Wow.  What conference would want to have to deal with that kind of BS from a new member?  If I was UF, I would take them off the schedule and cite the headhunting aspect of it for player safety.  This is like back when Darnell Docket went after Earnest Graham.  Back in the day, they would try to win at all costs to get the big money bowl bid.  Now, it's no different as they need to perform to get more money.

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more fsU bashing to come...

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https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/2024/04/22/fsu-acc-lawsuit-history-media-rights-deal/73389613007/

this article lists a bunch of what if scenarios and Q&A's

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https://www.on3.com/teams/florida-state-seminoles/news/florida-attorney-general-ashley-moody-asks-other-states-for-support-in-fsu-acc-lawsuit/

ashley moody, on this one issue, can go f*ck herself.

fsU should be made to have to pay any of this money out of pocket just like UF has to do on issues that affect it directly.  nobody should support this request for support of sovereign immunity.

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Ah, fsU...well, nothing to post at the moment...

and, remember, this is sports trash talk.  anybody that gets a kick out of this stuff feel free to post.  right now I'm in my own echo chamber...

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just a bunch of douchebags.

rant coming yet abbreviated:

who says "I don't want to join you, I want to join them instead," then joins them, then benefits from joining them, then, when times change those benefits aren't what they might have been then, and then has a hissy fit about it and sues them...and thinks that "you" or others would even want to deal with these people in the future.

you= SEC

them = ACC

who= fsU

hissy fit = lawsuit

...and this is about a school with a circus on its campus.